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[f1paul]

 

mangeliiito, on 29 Aug 2017 - 21:44, said:

Eyy Paul where is my Italian build up thread..? Focus on your work! 

 

Well you ask, you get (not always the case though) and its your lucky day because I have a day off and what else is better to do a build-up thread for this barmy, wacky but very fun forum. ¯\(ツ)/¯

 

 

Last time I did a build up thread I looked back at the season so far... and this time is no different! Only joking...

 

 

There's only been one race since now and then so lets look back at it in lots of detail   

 

Hamilton equaled Michael Schumacher's pole record with a (insert superlative) lap with Vettel getting a cheeky toe tow from hit teammate to take second. Something we may see again this Saturday. That was it really.

 

Then 23 hours and 4 minutes and 24.7 seconds later the race began!  It was a very clean start...

 

 

...nearly and we had 2 different coloured cars having a drag race down the Camel Kemmel straight. The silver one came out on top. Then the usual stuff. Alonso on the radio a lot, Verstappen breaks down, Alonso retires but then OMG.

 

 

I mean don't hit your teammate, especially when it's a bright, pink car. It sent this forum in a melt down, for both incidents! Some of the stuff in it is funny. They will have to meet at this weekend's press conference tomorrow.

 

Thursday, August 31, 1500 hours local time (1300 GMT)

Part 1: Esteban Ocon (Force India), Sergio Perez (Force India), Sebastian Vettel (Ferrari)

Part 2: Romain Grosjean (Haas), Nico Hulkenberg (Renault), Carlos Sainz (Toro Rosso)
 

Friday, September 1, 1600 hours local time (1400 GMT)

Part 1: Maurizio Arrivabene (Ferrari), Frederic Vasseur (Sauber), Toto Wolff (Mercedes)

Part 2: Robert Fernley (Force India), Gene Haas (Haas), Claire Williams (WIlliams)

 

But back to the useuless review and up at the pointy end, Vettel was faster but the dirty, annoying, physics of air of these 2017 cars meant that track position is king, in fact scrap that track position if the world. A SC for debris meant that Vettel had one chance but Hamilton was very clever and lifted through the not so very hard Eau Rouge. Meaning Vettel had to get out of the slipstream and put his nose (not his actual nose) into the wind and Hamilton obviously had some kind of Mario mushrooms in his engine and held on to take victory. 

 

No shoey but an Ozzie on the podium, Daniel Ricciardo was there too! 

 

"Do you really think I need a reminder when I watched the Grand Prix, I want to know what happened last year at Monzzza!"

 

Alright... well it was pretty terrible. Let me put it this way.

 

 

I genuinely can't even remember who won. I'm not going to check but I think it was a silver car. (it was Hamilton or Rosberg). Who cares anyway lets just hope that this year is better!

 

And there's hope because it looks like it will rain on either Saturday or Sunday or maybe both if we're really lucky. I know people don't like seeing wet race s anymore but I do because even if there's a lot of red flags and good, old Charlie waits for the track to dry up even though he's got 21 of the best drivers in the world + Massa (only joking Felipe)   he just waits forever! But when the race does get going it's great! https://www.accuweat...-weather/214047

 

And I'm sure I said this last year, but out of all the races on the calendar this is the one race where I hope it rains because it's sooooooo boring. It's just as bad as Sochi IMO (here comes the hate!). 

 

 

And it's even worse now because there's so much run-off. ARRGGHHH. The circuit it like this though. Long straight, chicane, curvy straight, chicane, two 90 degree right handers, straight, chicane, straight and then a long right hander where you can go off the circuit if you want and into Narnia and back for all the FIA care about. 

 

Last time I didn't post the Constructors' Championship but here it is as a bonus!

 

And the drivers standings as well...

 

 

 

This week's rant is about tyres! 

 

 

 

Look at this! Everyone has picked the same ones. Pirelli have gone so cautious that it's just outrageous. This 3 tyre thingy rule last year was great but now it's completely pointless. Belgium was good because there was variety but now it's like copy and paste. What is the point. Nobody is going to use the medium tyre because it will be awful. Anyway, I hope the inters and wets will get used instead to cheer me up!

 

Time to take a look at some of Monza's best moments. I'll be honest there's not too many considering it's been on the F1 calendar since 1950.

 

Underrated moment is this one, it was just chaos

 

Back when Monza was a slipstreaming paradise, this was when it was good. Peter Gethin's most famous moment

 

When McLaren lost their streak and Ferrari took a 1-2

 

Not an unusual sight to see, a Honda engine blowing up! 

 

I so hope that this is Hamilton and Vettel on Sunday. My goodness this forum would go absolutely crazy.

 

Hakkinen loses it in the lead

 

This is from 2011, the reverse happened in 2012 (see top of OP) and as you can see Alonso was much nicer to Vettel the year before

 

But what makes the Italian Grand Prix so special and unique is the fans who are so passionate. I expect chaos and fireworks if Seb can pull off the win this weekend and maybe some boos for Lewis if he wins.

 

 

But if we have a dry Saturday could we get the fastest lap ever in Formula 1 history??? For more TomNokoe has looked into it http://forums.autosp...-in-f1-history/

 

For me I'm not too bothered about it but it would be nice to see but the rain may spoil it.

 

Friday

Formula One Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk 08:45 - 09:45

Formula One Practice 1 10:00 - 11:30

GP2 Practice Session 12:00 - 12:45

Formula One Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk 12:50 - 13:45

Formula One Practice 2 14:00 - 15:30

GP2 Qualifying Session 15:55 - 16:25

Formula One Press Conference 16:00 - 17:00

Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup Practice Session 16:45 - 17:30

GP3 Practice Session 17:50 - 18:35

 

Saturday

Formula One Team Pit Stop Practice 08:30 - 09:15

Formula One Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk 08:30 - 09:35

GP3 Qualifying Session 09:45 - 10:15

Formula One Practice 3 11:00 - 12:00

Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup Qualifying Session 12:25 - 12:55

Formula One Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk 13:00 - 13:45

Formula One Qualifying 14:00 GP2 First Race (30 Laps or 60 Minutes) 15:40 - 16:45

GP3 First Race (17 Laps or 30 Minutes) 17:20 - 17:55

 

Sunday

GP3 Second Race (17 Laps or 30 Minutes) 09:25 - 10:00

GP2 Second Race (21 Laps or 45 Minutes) 10:35 - 11:25

Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup Race (14 Laps or 30 Minutes) 11:45 - 12:20

Formula One Paddock Club Pit Lane Walk 12:25 - 13:15

Formula One Drivers Track Parade 12:30

Formula One Starting Grid Presentation 12:45 - 13:15

Formula One National Anthem 13:46

Formula One Race 14:00

 

All times are local (or CET) so take an hour off if you're in the UK, some more hours off if you're in the Americas and add some hours if you live in Asia or Australasia. If you live in Antarctica, what on earth are you doing there and why are you reading this???

 

 

 

That's it for now, hope it's a cracking race. If it is a borefest, well at least it won't last too long.  ​But fill me with optimism guys!

Edited by f1paul, 30 August 2017 - 19:28.

[f1paul]

Ignore this now, it doesn't matter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some people are now confused.   

Edited by f1paul, 30 August 2017 - 15:21.

[Ev0d3vil]

One of the fastest races on the calendar, over in 75 mins..

[TauriJ]

Right now looks like a washout on Friday, showers on saturday, and bone dry sunday

[pkonsti]

The Italian GP's offical program covers so far:

[mangeliiito]

Thanks!!
We've been spending the day in Maranello, the hype is real!

[TomNokoe]

Thx for the thread plug

It does look like we are going to get torrential rain, but not on Sunday :-(

Force India with an outside bet of a podium with Red Bull taking engine penalties.

[Nonesuch]

From those posters, I get the sense the Italians have a favourite team.

[Collombin]

Without troubling over minor details such as correct direction of travel.

[Anja]

These 2008 covers (as they all looked the same that year) were really dreadful. Masterpiece in "uninspired and bland". 

[Nonesuch]

These 2008 covers (as they all looked the same that year) were really dreadful. Masterpiece in "uninspired and bland".

It's like WordArt's last hurrah.

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

In the name of Spec4 HONDA PU. May the peace come back to McLarenHonda.

[Seanspeed]

It does look like we are going to get torrential rain, but not on Sunday :-(
 

So it's going to be dry all weekend?  

[taz]

What about the new layout (removal of the first chicane, new chicane between the current 1st & 2nd chicane), is this still a thing for 2018 ? or was the proposal rejected?

 

[cpbell]

Not much room for strategic interest there, then.

[Lights]

If it's dry this will be over quickly.

[cpbell]

What about the new layout (removal of the first chicane, new chicane between the current 1st & 2nd chicane), is this still a thing for 2018 ? or was the proposal rejected?

 

It would appear that the modifications are on hold:

https://realsport101...-track-preview/

 

 

2017 changes abandoned

Last year, proposed changes to Monza were released and showed a radically different first sector than we are currently used to (see the title image and the one below for a comparison). This would have seen the Rettifilio Chicane removed and a new, faster, chicane installed around a redesigned turn Curva Grande, which would have become the new turn 1.

For better or worse, these plans got held up in the planning stage (Monza is situated within a royal park after all), so we will have to wait and see if this is something that might happen in the future. Given that these changes were to be made to make Monza more appealing to bike racing though, it's debatable whether cars, and F1, would have benefitted from the changes. 

It would have made for an awesome spectacle though, as the changes would have reduced lap times by over a second, as well as producing a pit straight almost 1.4km long.

[f1paul]

Thanks!!
We've been spending the day in Maranello, the hype is real!

Hope you don't get too wet mangeliiito! Enjoy the weekend and update us when you can.   

[LeClerc]

Nice OP, and I don't even like oval races 

[ANF]

Thanks for the thread. I thought the race was next week.

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

Thanks for the thread. I thought the race was next week.

I believe you are the happiest Formula1 fan at the moment.

[Ricardo F1]

Hoping for a nice safe Merc 1-2 and Hamilton leading the WDC. 

[ANF]

I believe you are the happiest Formula1 fan at the moment.

Almost literally jumping up and down with joy.

[LeClerc]

Hoping for a nice safe Merc 1-2 and Hamilton leading the WDC. 

 

My mom used to tell me: "You can hope into one hand and **** into the other hand. Guess which hand gets full?"

[Ellios]

Thanks for the great OP 

 

Track Guide

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=KvzTBeBMy5s

 

 

Vettel win I think   

 

[blacky]

I expect the classical F1 weather. Rain in FP1-2, slippery in FP3 and dry for quali and race.

 

scemi or geni?

 

 

HAHAHA

 

[blacky]

And can Ferrari finally win again? Only 2 wins in 10 years!

 

 

[w1Y]

Great race but its over way to quickly which loses it a few points

[l2k2]

This week's rant is about tyres! 

 

The names of these tyres does no longer confuse me, and I have already given up any hope of seeing any proper soft racing tyres.

 

Pirelli clearly has following tyres available:

• Ultra Soft Medium
• Super Soft Hard
• Soft Super Hard
• Medium Ultra Hard
• Hard [no longer exist]

Unfortunately this week we'll only have H, SH and UH tyres. 

[Blackoutjulian]

Hoping for a nice safe Merc 1-2 and Hamilton leading the WDC.

As a Red Bull fan??? Thats quite Strange.. ..
Or maybe i am just missing the sarcasm.

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

A bit like Spa, I always hope for rain, if only because it means the race lasts longer (at Spa even a 2min lap every lap doesn't make it last 90mins). 75mins, or even less, is far too short. It's why I'd never go, because it just doesn't last long enough. Anyway, that's for another day.

 

I just hope it's a good exciting race, plenty of overtaking (preferably not all of them purely due to DRS, though in the case of Honda the opposition don't need DRS to get past the McLarens), a fight for the win and the podium and yeah, just a good race.

 

This is another race where every year I expect carnage at turn 1, and it rarely happens.

[jonpollak]

Jp loves this place.

[Seanspeed]

Jp loves this place.

I feel a strange urge to pick up a pack of Marlboros. 

[jonpollak]

As you should... However in this photo I am graciously off line at the breakneck speed of 14 mph...

[thegamer23]

17.30 (UK TIME), THURSDAY (Tomorrow)

Piazza Castello, Milano

Heineken's Driver Parade

 

• Kimi Raikkonen su Ferrari 750 Monza del 1956;
• Antonio Giovinazzi su Lancia Aurelia B24 spyder del 1956;
• Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) su Mercedes 190 roadster del 1957;
• Fernando Alonso (McLaren) su Lotus 11 del 1957:
• Stoffel Vandoorme (McLaren) su Lancia Lambda del 1927;
• Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull) su Aston Martín Le Mans del 1933;
• Max Verstappen (Red Bull) su Bentley 3 litre del 1923;
• Carlos Sainz (Toro Rosso) su Diatto Bugatti 23 GP del 1921;
• Daniil Kvyat (Toro Rosso) su Rally ABC del 1930;
• Lance Stroll (Williams) su Maserati A6 GCS del 1954;
• Romain Grosjean (Haas) su Ferrari 857 del 1955;
• Kevin Magnussen (Haas) su Alfa Romeo 6C 1750 GS del 1930;
• Jolyon Palmer (Renault) su Renault 750 Sport del 1954.

Sebastian Vettel  Alfa Romeo 8C 2300 Le Mans del 1931

Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 300 SL roadster del 1956

Sergio Pérez (Force India) su Ballot 1921

Esteban Ocon su Roselli Stanguellini 1100 Sport del 1949

Felipe Massa OM 665 Superba del 1931

Nico Hulkenberg (I DUNNO)
Marcus Ericsonn & Pascal Wehrlein Ferrari 250 MM spider Vignale del 1953 e su F. L. 1100 Sport del 1952.

Edited by thegamer23, 30 August 2017 - 21:29.

[jonpollak]

Hope Risil gets to see something of this while in town.

[Zava]

17.30 (UK TIME), THURSDAY (Tomorrow)

Piazza Castello, Milano

omg thank you! I (by "accident") am working in milan this week, definitely going to visit this place tomorrow!

[sportyskells]

we had a few 1st turn tangles here plus for tge 1st time in 3 gp i can watch saturday without playing avoid the result

[Ricardo F1]

As a Red Bull fan??? Thats quite Strange.. ..
Or maybe i am just missing the sarcasm.

Good lord, what on Earth made you think I'm a Red Bull fan?    Haven't drunk the stuff since plying myself with it mixed with vodka in my youth!

[Blackoutjulian]

Good lord, what on Earth made you think I'm a Red Bull fan? Haven't drunk the stuff since plying myself with it mixed with vodka in my youth!

Ok let me rephrase that...a Ricciardo fan (?)

[Balthazar]

Monza is an over-rated bore-fest...

 

but it is Monza (and the locals are lovable).

[thegamer23]

Friday will be so wet. But the rest of the weekend should be clear, so i don't think we'll see much running.
It will be an Intense Saturday

Edited by thegamer23, 31 August 2017 - 05:34.

[Lights]

 

Vettel win I think   

 

Agree, in that video it doesn't seem like anyone else is even near him.

[mangeliiito]

Bah, so either you do the pitwalk or you watch them run around in old cars..? What to do, what to do...

[SinStorm]

Hoping for a 2015-like weekend for Lewis 😎

[scheivlak]

Ok let me rephrase that...a Ricciardo fan (?)

Hint: Ricardo F1 is a member of this forum since 1999 

[Laster]

Hint: Ricardo F1 is a member of this forum since 1999

Ricardo Rosset then.

[Blackoutjulian]

Hint: Ricardo F1 is a member of this forum since 1999

What for real ???
Wow didnt even know that this Forum existed so long

[mangeliiito]

17.30 (UK TIME), THURSDAY (Tomorrow)

Piazza Castello, Milano
Heineken's Driver Parade

• Kimi Raikkonen su Ferrari 750 Monza del 1956;
• Antonio Giovinazzi su Lancia Aurelia B24 spyder del 1956;
• Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) su Mercedes 190 roadster del 1957;
• Fernando Alonso (McLaren) su Lotus 11 del 1957:
• Stoffel Vandoorme (McLaren) su Lancia Lambda del 1927;
• Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull) su Aston Martín Le Mans del 1933;
• Max Verstappen (Red Bull) su Bentley 3 litre del 1923;
• Carlos Sainz (Toro Rosso) su Diatto Bugatti 23 GP del 1921;
• Daniil Kvyat (Toro Rosso) su Rally ABC del 1930;
• Lance Stroll (Williams) su Maserati A6 GCS del 1954;
• Romain Grosjean (Haas) su Ferrari 857 del 1955;
• Kevin Magnussen (Haas) su Alfa Romeo 6C 1750 GS del 1930;
• Jolyon Palmer (Renault) su Renault 750 Sport del 1954.

Sebastian Vettel Alfa Romeo 8C 2300 Le Mans del 1931
Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 300 SL roadster del 1956
Sergio Pérez (Force India) su Ballot 1921
Esteban Ocon su Roselli Stanguellini 1100 Sport del 1949
Felipe Massa OM 665 Superba del 1931
Nico Hulkenberg (I DUNNO)
Marcus Ericsonn & Pascal Wehrlein Ferrari 250 MM spider Vignale del 1953 e su F. L. 1100 Sport del 1952.

Only the drivers down to Palmer will drive in Milan today btw

[sabjit]

I'm so glad the track changes never went ahead. It would have killed this track and made it a nightmare to overtake on.