"This movie is stunningly bad. Not just a poor movie. This is a waste of money. A waste of time. A waste of an opportunity whose time may not again come for decades.
Note that I did not say a waste of talent. Of that there was none. The acting is unbelievably wooden. Think back to the first Star Trek movie. Yes, that bad! Burt Reynolds in particular is incredibly underwhelming.
The writing is unimaginably worse. Something a sophomore would write, then toss away. There is no depth to any character, situation, or scene. Whatever you see on the screen is it. There is nothing more, and not even much there. Everything seems to have been shot in one take.
Things happen for no apparent reason, then are immediately forgotten. Race scenes seem to be a mad mix of green laps, crashes, yellows, with no pattern or logic.
Oh, did I mention logic? Please check it at the door because this film exhibits virtually none.
We almost got tossed. You see.. since the film absolutely sucked, we reverted to the only thing left for a bunch of guys to do at a lousy movie. We started counting sets of hooters. The unofficial count was 41. The rule was that to be counted the female could not be in a starring role, but had to be photographed just to show off her chest, just to get the movie to the next scene.
Thank you Bernie Ecclestone! Thank you for not getting involved in this mess. One of my friends mentioned that CART management must have been nuts to have themselves portrayed as poorly as this waste of film shows them.
This film makes "Days of Thunder" appear to be fine art.
Hell, this film makes "Death Race 2000" appear to be fine art!
I want to write Warner Brothers, not to demand a refund of my money (yeah, if I had paid), but more to demand a refund of the two hours of my life that were wasted by this lox.
Dude.. this movie sucks."
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Ouch! I was planning on seeing this one but....maybe NOT! Overall rating 6.2 out of 10, about 250 votes.
OT: Internet Movie Database review of "Driven".
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Posted 30 April 2001 - 21:05
How much did they make on tickets so far?
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Posted 30 April 2001 - 21:08
the real reason for cancelling texas? "Damn, no race to watch. Lets go see Driven..." 
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Posted 30 April 2001 - 22:39
Drive made the most money this weekend at $13.1 million.
Pa, thank you for the review and the two hours of my life you saved.
Pa, thank you for the review and the two hours of my life you saved.
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Posted 30 April 2001 - 23:24
I thought the movie was great! Champcars on the big screen!!!
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Posted 30 April 2001 - 23:38
Me and a friend--neither of us have seen it yet--were discussing this today. Our guess: Minimal plot, maximum SFX budget, typical action flick. How close are we?
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Posted 30 April 2001 - 23:39
NYR do you think you watched the movie with an open unbiased mind?
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Posted 30 April 2001 - 23:41
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
NYR do you think you watched the movie with an open unbiased mind?
yes
I had to write 3 movie reviews about it
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Posted 30 April 2001 - 23:47
are you reviewing/watching it as a movie, or a CART movie?
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Posted 30 April 2001 - 23:57
Thank you Bernie! Just imagine how embarrased we'd be if this film was about F1.
By the way, Ross, someone is shooting at your Avatar...
By the way, Ross, someone is shooting at your Avatar...
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 00:11
Reviews have been shocking.
It made $13.1 million this weekend. This weekend was actually the weakest total boxoffice weekend (all the movies showing combined) for 8 months. All the films in the marketplace took in $55 million. Still its a solid opening though, Stallones first N0.1 since 1997's Copland.
At no.2 was the film Bridget Jones Diary and it made $7.5 million in it second weekend.
Warren Beatty's film Town and Country took in $3.1m which is a pathetic flop seeing that it cost a whopping $80 million to make.
However to put the opening in perspective - next weekend the US summer movie season begins with The Mummy Returns opening. Its expected to open around the $50 million plus range - however that is on the very high side.
So Driven had a pretty decent opening but is expected to have a big drop off next weekend.
It made $13.1 million this weekend. This weekend was actually the weakest total boxoffice weekend (all the movies showing combined) for 8 months. All the films in the marketplace took in $55 million. Still its a solid opening though, Stallones first N0.1 since 1997's Copland.
At no.2 was the film Bridget Jones Diary and it made $7.5 million in it second weekend.
Warren Beatty's film Town and Country took in $3.1m which is a pathetic flop seeing that it cost a whopping $80 million to make.
However to put the opening in perspective - next weekend the US summer movie season begins with The Mummy Returns opening. Its expected to open around the $50 million plus range - however that is on the very high side.
So Driven had a pretty decent opening but is expected to have a big drop off next weekend.
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 00:14
Driven failed miserably in two key areas. Missing were the sensation of speed and the awesome sound of CART car blistering around at 220 MPH. For all the time Sly Stallone spent around F1 races coupled with the on-site recording, I cannot for the life of me understand why this film lacked the necessary visual and aural experience of motor racing. I tried to go in with an open mind, knowing full well that the movie would showcase a paper-thin plot along with several over the top crashes. But with its cast of plastic characters more suited for a Gap ad, Driven clumsily moved along with unintentional comedy. The movie gyrated like a rock video with one cut scene after another, the protagonists had way too much internal angst, and the legend of Joe Tanto (or was it John Rambo? GI Joe?) was terribly uninspiring. A better movie, albeit with a Golf motif is The legend of Bagger Vance with Will Smith and Matt Damon. If anything, the golfing in that movie was better than the alleged racing in Driven.
Ok, the movie was trés "Hollywood" but what the fudge was the deal with the wife and the girlfriend having access to the 2-way radio? The scene with Burt Reynolds ordering the "number 2" to back off while the wife (Gina "I know how to play a bitch" Gershon) was encouraging him to push harder was a real hoot!
But the real let down of Driven was again, the lack of speed and sound that is integral to motor sports. The pod race scene in Star Wars Episode 1 was more convincing and better yet, it was much for "fun". It even had Formula One type sounds The blurred, tunnel vision effect was hard on the eyes and overall the CG did more to distract, even confuse the viewer. Another negative was not one single qualifying lap. Was it last year at Detroit when Montoya lit up the wheel rim against the barrier on his way to pole position? A scene like that, with all the funky in-car shots would have done wonders for both the general moviegoer and the racing enthusiast.
I believe someone on DF1 wrote than Driven is the feel good movie of the year. Asides from the lousy cliché, I predict this movie will be pulled from circulation prior to the mid-July Molson Indy. I doubt that this movie will hit the relative dollars that Days of Thunder raked in. Driven - more like Drivel!
Note: I was mistaken when I had previously mentioned that a movie costs $12.00 for it's now gone up 50 cents to $12.50
Ok, the movie was trés "Hollywood" but what the fudge was the deal with the wife and the girlfriend having access to the 2-way radio? The scene with Burt Reynolds ordering the "number 2" to back off while the wife (Gina "I know how to play a bitch" Gershon) was encouraging him to push harder was a real hoot!
But the real let down of Driven was again, the lack of speed and sound that is integral to motor sports. The pod race scene in Star Wars Episode 1 was more convincing and better yet, it was much for "fun". It even had Formula One type sounds The blurred, tunnel vision effect was hard on the eyes and overall the CG did more to distract, even confuse the viewer. Another negative was not one single qualifying lap. Was it last year at Detroit when Montoya lit up the wheel rim against the barrier on his way to pole position? A scene like that, with all the funky in-car shots would have done wonders for both the general moviegoer and the racing enthusiast.I believe someone on DF1 wrote than Driven is the feel good movie of the year. Asides from the lousy cliché, I predict this movie will be pulled from circulation prior to the mid-July Molson Indy. I doubt that this movie will hit the relative dollars that Days of Thunder raked in. Driven - more like Drivel!
Note: I was mistaken when I had previously mentioned that a movie costs $12.00 for it's now gone up 50 cents to $12.50
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 00:20
Days of Thunder made $84 million in 1990. That works out to be about the "blockbuster" level of $100 million today.
Driven will be lucky to make close to $35 million. Overseas results will be interesting though!!!!
Driven will be lucky to make close to $35 million. Overseas results will be interesting though!!!!
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 00:25
Drivel might turn a profit for Sly, but if it is as bad as it sounds, CART will loose out from their fans being pissed off at wasting money.
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 00:29
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
NYR do you think you watched the movie with an open unbiased mind?
Do you really think Pa did??
I dunno I'll watch it at somepoint, but I quite liked Days of Thunder (I'm shallow , I don't need depth) so maybe I'll like this..
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 00:30
gerry,
On Speedvision Sly was quoted that DOT grossed about 90 mil on a $4.50 ticket. Double that for $9 and you have $180 mil. But whats an extra 80?;) I do agree that the overall figures will be bad. This movie is terrible for both the general moviegoer and the racing enthusiast.
The scene were Sly and Bly cut through the entire field was really funny, unintentional of course. Just before their run when they were talking on the 2-way with the cars side-by-side, I was reminded of the X-Wings in Star Wars, just before they plunged into the Death Star
On Speedvision Sly was quoted that DOT grossed about 90 mil on a $4.50 ticket. Double that for $9 and you have $180 mil. But whats an extra 80?;) I do agree that the overall figures will be bad. This movie is terrible for both the general moviegoer and the racing enthusiast.
The scene were Sly and Bly cut through the entire field was really funny, unintentional of course. Just before their run when they were talking on the 2-way with the cars side-by-side, I was reminded of the X-Wings in Star Wars, just before they plunged into the Death Star
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 00:37
I have no intention of making any attempt what-so-ever to see this film, either in the theatre or on tape.
A movie to me should be interesting and/or dramatic with a well written plot. Just because it's about racing, which is something I enjoy, is not enough reason for me to sit through this.
I am so very glad Sly kept his rather unimaginative, film making hands out of F1.
Instead, I will shell out my $8 to go see Crouching Tiger again.
A movie to me should be interesting and/or dramatic with a well written plot. Just because it's about racing, which is something I enjoy, is not enough reason for me to sit through this.
I am so very glad Sly kept his rather unimaginative, film making hands out of F1.
Instead, I will shell out my $8 to go see Crouching Tiger again.
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 00:40
Originally posted by LB
Do you really think Pa did??
I dunno I'll watch it at somepoint, but I quite liked Days of Thunder (I'm shallow , I don't need depth) so maybe I'll like this..
Hey LB,
Let's get this straight. I have NOT seen the movie, which you'd know if you'd bothered to read the post that started this thread. I quoted a review off the imdb, gave the average rating, and the number of votes.
So don't hand me any crap.
Jesus H.
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 00:47
Mario, the no. of tickets to gross thing is measured on an average cost of ticket system so strangely Sly is right about the $4.50. However, Days of Thunder if adjusted for inflation stands at aprox $100m. (no way $180)
Im sure i'll agree with u about the film's quality. No matter how bad it is - im still looking forward to seeing it when it comes out here. I actually watched the film "the Gift" on saturday and as i was leaving i heard two cinema workers speaking about Driven and how they looked forward to seeing it. I coul only smile
Im sure i'll agree with u about the film's quality. No matter how bad it is - im still looking forward to seeing it when it comes out here. I actually watched the film "the Gift" on saturday and as i was leaving i heard two cinema workers speaking about Driven and how they looked forward to seeing it. I coul only smile
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 00:54
In case anyone is not familiar with IMDB they print reviews from anybody that wants to review a movie. The review that pa quotes from at the beginning of this thread was written by some horsehead general movie goer not a professional movie critic.
I think if you go into the movie with low expectations (and you would have to after reading ATLAS F1 threads) than you will probably be pleasantly surprised by the car scenes (one IMDB reviewer called the street scene the best car chase he had ever watched).
As for the plot, it is better than Gran Prix and Days of Thunder.
Lets face it, all race movies plots suck. Actually, I would say that 80% of all movies have bad plots.
Also the fact that it is on the big screen and thumping along in THX makes it a lot more satisfying than sitting at home watching old race movies on TV. I would suggest you give it a try. I did and thought it was worth $7.
I think if you go into the movie with low expectations (and you would have to after reading ATLAS F1 threads) than you will probably be pleasantly surprised by the car scenes (one IMDB reviewer called the street scene the best car chase he had ever watched).
As for the plot, it is better than Gran Prix and Days of Thunder.
Lets face it, all race movies plots suck. Actually, I would say that 80% of all movies have bad plots.
Also the fact that it is on the big screen and thumping along in THX makes it a lot more satisfying than sitting at home watching old race movies on TV. I would suggest you give it a try. I did and thought it was worth $7.
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 01:20
Eventhough it'll prolly take a couple of months before Hollywood will release this movie in Holland, I was thinking about going just to see the racing scenes...
But this quote from a IMDB review completely changed my mind...
Hemm... I was ready to expect some really corny ****... but I'd never, EVER thought they would include something idiotic like this!!!!!!!!
Ok, that may be my mistake, overestimated (or underestimated?) Hollywood again ;)
But I would really have liked to see Bernie's face when he read this in the script and tossed it out of the window
But this quote from a IMDB review completely changed my mind...
But the funniest scene in the whole movie comes when there's a car crash during a race and the guy from `Remember the Titans' turns his car around, drives back up the track, dodging all the oncoming cars, pulls up and saves the other driver BEFORE the emergency crews get there.
Hemm... I was ready to expect some really corny ****... but I'd never, EVER thought they would include something idiotic like this!!!!!!!!
Ok, that may be my mistake, overestimated (or underestimated?) Hollywood again ;)
But I would really have liked to see Bernie's face when he read this in the script and tossed it out of the window
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 01:23
So, ya want to read what a pro has to say? Here's what the Chicago Film Critic's association wrote (partial quote - the rest is nastier! 
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"Driven isn't just a crash, it's a huge pileup of epic proportions. If you combined the wreck total of The Road Warrior, The Blues Brothers, the 1974 version of Gone In Sixty Seconds (93 cars in the final 45 minutes) and the complete collection of When Drivers Attack, you wouldn't even be ready to scrape the highway of what a disaster this film actually is. Driven is likely to go down in history as one of the all-time bad movies. Moreover when you consider it stars two actors (Stallone and Burt Reynolds) who are responsible for some of the most critically savaged films of the last three decades, you already have two stale resumes to jog your memory and choose from. How bad is Driven? Somewhere below Stroker Ace. Way below. "
I think your average "horsehead" is kind by comparison; it might be because he doesn't really know just how to be vicious with the English language.
)."Driven isn't just a crash, it's a huge pileup of epic proportions. If you combined the wreck total of The Road Warrior, The Blues Brothers, the 1974 version of Gone In Sixty Seconds (93 cars in the final 45 minutes) and the complete collection of When Drivers Attack, you wouldn't even be ready to scrape the highway of what a disaster this film actually is. Driven is likely to go down in history as one of the all-time bad movies. Moreover when you consider it stars two actors (Stallone and Burt Reynolds) who are responsible for some of the most critically savaged films of the last three decades, you already have two stale resumes to jog your memory and choose from. How bad is Driven? Somewhere below Stroker Ace. Way below. "
I think your average "horsehead" is kind by comparison; it might be because he doesn't really know just how to be vicious with the English language.
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 01:41
I must say it was pretty lousy. Engine sounds were not nearly loud enough, no sensation of speed, and the CGI was absolutely dreadful. The cars flew so far when they crashed...and that's to say nothing of the "plot" and "characters" (including bizarre CART-ized Hollywood avatars of Sir Frank Williams and Michael Schumacher.)
One plus: I believe I did see JPM and Roberto Moreno in an (off-track) scene or two, and I saw Jean Alesi's name in the credits.
It had one or two moments that made CART seem kind of interesting, and I may investigate that series to get my open-wheeled thrill when there's no F1 on TV.
Advice you've probably heard before, but "Le Mans" and "Grand Prix" are the real thing when it comes to racing movies.
One plus: I believe I did see JPM and Roberto Moreno in an (off-track) scene or two, and I saw Jean Alesi's name in the credits.
It had one or two moments that made CART seem kind of interesting, and I may investigate that series to get my open-wheeled thrill when there's no F1 on TV.
Advice you've probably heard before, but "Le Mans" and "Grand Prix" are the real thing when it comes to racing movies.
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 01:45
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
are you reviewing/watching it as a movie, or a CART movie?
The movie was about CART. Therefore I am revewing it as a CART movie.
Anyone care to help me review Driven as a regular movie also?
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Originally posted by NYR2119935
The movie was about CART. Therefore I am revewing it as a CART movie.
Anyone care to help me review Driven as a regular movie also?
From what I've been reading here and elsewhere, "Driven" isn't about CART, but some fictional racing series where people do really stupid things on film and expect others to believe these sorts of things could actually happen somewhere on planet earth.
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"As for the plot, it is better than Gran Prix"
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Grand Prix has a bad plot. I don't recall the specifics of how bad it is because after the first time I saw it I have skipped the plot. I've seen GP about 5 times and what I do is watch the Monaco scenes (the first 20 or 30 minutes) than find something else to do until the last 20 minutes at Monza.
Actually, if you get speedvision, they have a 45 minute interview with the director that is twice as good as the movie. It typically is shown just prior to the movie.
Actually, if you get speedvision, they have a 45 minute interview with the director that is twice as good as the movie. It typically is shown just prior to the movie.
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 02:28
Originally posted by obi-one
Drive made the most money this weekend at $13.1 million.
Is $13.1 Million a good or bad amount? I don't watch movies at all, so I am not sure about this.
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Earlier Driven was insulted by someone saying it got a 6.2 rating on IMDB. That is almost identical to Grand Prix which scores a 6.3, and better than Le Mans which gets a 6.0
I am not saying Driven is Oscar material, but I think race fans can enjoy the plentiful car scenes if they don't get hyper critical.
I am not saying Driven is Oscar material, but I think race fans can enjoy the plentiful car scenes if they don't get hyper critical.
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 02:52
Originally posted by NYR2119935
The movie was about CART. Therefore I am revewing it as a CART movie.
Anyone care to help me review Driven as a regular movie also?
Do your own homework, kid. Dontcha wanna go on to the sixth grade?
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 02:55
Originally posted by Arneal
Earlier Driven was insulted by someone saying it got a 6.2 rating on IMDB. That is almost identical to Grand Prix which scores a 6.3, and better than Le Mans which gets a 6.0
I am not saying Driven is Oscar material, but I think race fans can enjoy the plentiful car scenes if they don't get hyper critical.
Grand Prix and Le Mans were "great" movies for race fans but they didn't approach being even "good" movies. I for one don't care about the script in Driven, but when you see on the commercial 10 accidents that look like something out of Speed Racer (ie: cars that fly) the race fan in me is anything but pleased.
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 03:10
If you are worried about the stereotype of race fans as crash addicted adolescents than I agree that this movie won't help, but I don't think it is really something to lose sleep over. The small minority that think that way will continue and the vast majority that don't think we are small minded wreckaholics won't change their minds either.
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 03:14
Actually, I just don't care to mix my fiction with science fiction, IMO. Maybe they should have had aliens drive the cars, that might have been better.
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 03:19
Originally posted by obi-one
Grand Prix and Le Mans were "great" movies for race fans but they didn't approach being even "good" movies. I for one don't care about the script in Driven, but when you see on the commercial 10 accidents that look like something out of Speed Racer (ie: cars that fly) the race fan in me is anything but pleased.
perhaps grand prix wasnt a great 'movie' but nothing that occurred in the movie was in any way something that couldnt have and certainly did occur in the lives of the real drivers of the time. The characters were believable in their behaviours and mannerisms (the young italian driver was outright hilarious) and it was precisely that atmosphere of 'reality' combined with the race footage that made it a great racing film. It seems that that base of reality has been forgotten by the fools who make movies. Reality based fiction has become science fiction... argh
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 03:23
Driven is just the modern GP to be fair. GP's plot and dialog was pretty unsettling. Anyone watch Wild Racers on Saturday?
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 03:27
PA,
Regarding the quote of the film critic you reproduced, I very much liked The Blues Brothers and The Road Warrior. In fact, the Mad Max movies are amongst my all time favorite low brow fare.
In addition, Stallone and Reynolds have both done some films that movie goers have loved, but critics have panned.
EVERYBODY,
I think race fans would be wise to try Driven not only for the entertainment factor, but because the racing genre needs it. If Driven flops it could be decades before we see another race film.
If a genre is popular you get a lot of it. Some will be good and some bad, but they will be made. If a genre is not popular the movies will not be made.
Regarding the quote of the film critic you reproduced, I very much liked The Blues Brothers and The Road Warrior. In fact, the Mad Max movies are amongst my all time favorite low brow fare.
In addition, Stallone and Reynolds have both done some films that movie goers have loved, but critics have panned.
EVERYBODY,
I think race fans would be wise to try Driven not only for the entertainment factor, but because the racing genre needs it. If Driven flops it could be decades before we see another race film.
If a genre is popular you get a lot of it. Some will be good and some bad, but they will be made. If a genre is not popular the movies will not be made.
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 03:28
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Driven is just the modern GP to be fair. GP's plot and dialog was pretty unsettling. Anyone watch Wild Racers on Saturday?
in what way 'unsettling' (the dialog was pretty rough btw!)
certainly the cars/drivers in GP behaved on track like real cars/drivers.. whereas this.. I mean driving the wrong way round the track? or driving on the streets..
oh well
Shaun
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 03:29
Most of the remarks levied against Driven are accurate. It is in no way a good movie. The characters really are one dimensional. "Joe Tanto" is a lame representation of a once great driver with "history".
The racing scenes are good. The rain race, before the ludicrous accident occurs, has some really sweet in-car views. The view from inside the visor in the rain give you some idea of what it must be like.
The crashes are ridiculous. I don't recall a car landing on its wheels one time after the opening scene spinout.
With all of that, it was still a fun movie. You'll find yourself rolling your eyes at times, but it is a fun flick to watch. I doubt it will be as fun on tape or DVD unless you have a really nice home entertainment system.
Weak movie, yes. Fun movie, yes. Good movie overall, no way.
The racing scenes are good. The rain race, before the ludicrous accident occurs, has some really sweet in-car views. The view from inside the visor in the rain give you some idea of what it must be like.
The crashes are ridiculous. I don't recall a car landing on its wheels one time after the opening scene spinout.
With all of that, it was still a fun movie. You'll find yourself rolling your eyes at times, but it is a fun flick to watch. I doubt it will be as fun on tape or DVD unless you have a really nice home entertainment system.
Weak movie, yes. Fun movie, yes. Good movie overall, no way.
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 03:30
I dunno... the frenchman's crash at Monza and the Monaco crash seemed kinda artistic. Its really unfortunate that GP had better driving scenes
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 03:32
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
I dunno... the frenchman's crash at Monza and the Monaco crash seemed kinda artistic. Its really unfortunate that GP had better driving scenes
I guess, but I believe both of those were based on real incidents... Id have to rely on the grownups to back me up on that though!
Shaun
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 03:33
Yeah I think Bandini? but going up the side of the cliff seemed toyish
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 03:34
Damn, I really had waited for this one and trusted Harlin to do some decent stuff but noooo. . . . well at least I'm gonna save some money.
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 03:35
The Speedvision guys nailed it for me when discussing racing movies, you cant write a script as dramatic as a real race
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 13:29
Originally posted by obi-one
Actually, I just don't care to mix my fiction with science fiction, IMO. Maybe they should have had aliens drive the cars, that might have been better.
Like I said, the pod race scene in Star Wars Episode 1 was far more entertaining ;)
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 14:24
Originally posted by Arneal
Grand Prix has a bad plot. I don't recall the specifics of how bad it is because after the first time I saw it I have skipped the plot. I've seen GP about 5 times and what I do is watch the Monaco scenes (the first 20 or 30 minutes) than find something else to do until the last 20 minutes at Monza.
Actually, if you get speedvision, they have a 45 minute interview with the director that is twice as good as the movie. It typically is shown just prior to the movie.
How bad is the plot? After the movie came out, the screenplay was "novelized" (I have a copy). Somehow they made it even worse than the movie!
All producers/directors/actors/writers who think they could (or should) possibly make a racing movie would serve themselves and the rest of us better by soaking their heads in a 50/50 mix of methanol and avgas until the feeling passes.
And the rest of us ought to know better by now than to get our expectations up every few years.
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 18:23
It's not about racing, The only scene that I love was the shot of JPM in the car just great
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 18:32
Haven't seen it.
i know Sly wanted to make an F1 movie, was refused, but went ahead and made one anyway using CART.
The trailers of the movie showing them racing in the wet, Burt Reynolds as a wheelchair-bound ruthlesse team owner (anyone say Frank Williams)
Most ridiculous piece i saw was Sly rescuing a driver whose race car was in a river/lake:down: when was the last time a racing car was allowed to race dangerously near water?
i know Sly wanted to make an F1 movie, was refused, but went ahead and made one anyway using CART.
The trailers of the movie showing them racing in the wet, Burt Reynolds as a wheelchair-bound ruthlesse team owner (anyone say Frank Williams)
Most ridiculous piece i saw was Sly rescuing a driver whose race car was in a river/lake:down: when was the last time a racing car was allowed to race dangerously near water?
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 18:33
I had a buddy go see the movie this weekend. He called me immediately upon leaving the theater and warned me not to go see it.
His main complaint (besides the horrible acting) was the number of incredibly implausible things that occur during the movie.
Now, I'm all for suspension of belief in a movie, but the chain of events that occur in the plot at least have to make sense internally, and it sounds like in Driven they do not.
His main complaint (besides the horrible acting) was the number of incredibly implausible things that occur during the movie.
Now, I'm all for suspension of belief in a movie, but the chain of events that occur in the plot at least have to make sense internally, and it sounds like in Driven they do not.
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 20:55
Originally posted by chiefe
Haven't seen it.
i know Sly wanted to make an F1 movie, was refused, but went ahead and made one anyway using CART.
The trailers of the movie showing them racing in the wet, Burt Reynolds as a wheelchair-bound ruthlesse team owner (anyone say Frank Williams)
Most ridiculous piece i saw was Sly rescuing a driver whose race car was in a river/lake:down: when was the last time a racing car was allowed to race dangerously near water?
I once saw a formula two sidecar combo land in a lake at a race circuit in england.. funny but pretty scary too
Shaun
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Posted 01 May 2001 - 21:11
no one here gets it!!!!!!!!
This movie is a PARODY of all racing movies!!
Check that,it is a parody of movies,in general.
Nothing that insipid could be unintentional.We should hail Stallone for his subtle,comic genius.
Or am I missing something?
This movie is a PARODY of all racing movies!!
Check that,it is a parody of movies,in general.
Nothing that insipid could be unintentional.We should hail Stallone for his subtle,comic genius.
Or am I missing something?
