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Do you think 2018's "halo" is a good idea?

  1. Yes (49 votes [10.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.23%

  2. No (368 votes [76.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 76.83%

  3. Don't care / Indifferent (62 votes [12.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.94%

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#1 Camber1972

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 16:28

The next race at Abu Dhabi will be the last race without the HALO on the car.
I like F1 but I think next year it will be a lot less because of the HALO.
We have had some ugly cars in the past but this thing,I hate it.  :evil:
 
What's your opinion.
 
 
 
 
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Edited by Camber1972, 13 November 2017 - 16:33.


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#2 McLaren

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 16:32

That the next race won't be the last race without the 'Halo'. The 'Halo' will evolve and eventually be replaced by newer concepts that are hopefully more aesthetically pleasing.



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Posted 13 November 2017 - 16:36

Why is Max wearing a halo too?  :drunk:



#4 TheRacingElf

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 16:36

Luckily FOM came up with the perfect solution for your problem, they will change the name of the Halo so there will be a lot of races in the future without the Halo:stoned:



#5 Camber1972

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 16:37

That the next race won't be the last race without the 'Halo'. The 'Halo' will evolve and eventually be replaced by newer concepts that are hopefully more aesthetically pleasing.

 

Even I could have figured out something more aesthetically pleasing.   



#6 Anja

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 16:37

I'm pretty much indifferent to this whole thing. It's not the best solution and not very pleasant looking but it won't make much of a difference to my enjoyment of F1 next year. We've suffered through so many aesthetic failures in recent history that I'm not very bothered anymore. 


Edited by Anja, 13 November 2017 - 16:39.


#7 Camber1972

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 16:38

Why is Max wearing a halo too?  :drunk:

Haha that's not MAX that's Mr. Gasly I think.



#8 learningtobelost

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 16:42

I'm happy to eat crow on this, but I'd be surprised if there are more than 2 races with the HALO. Australia will be a shitstorm, but the FIA will double down for the next round, only to back peddle under pressure from Liberty and the fans thereafter.

If the above sounds familiar, it's because it's based on the events surrounding the obviously stupid qualifying system they implemented last year. 


Edited by learningtobelost, 13 November 2017 - 16:48.


#9 Cliff

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 16:50

I'm happy to eat crow on this, but I'd be surprised if there are more than 2 races with the HALO. Australia will be a shitstorm, but the FIA will double down for the next round, only to back peddle under pressure from Liberty and the fans thereafter.

If the above sounds familiar, it's because it's based on the events surrounding the obviously stupid qualifying system they implemented last year. 

 

This.

 

I think everybody will discover It's actually really dangerous to block your line of sight straight in front of you. People will crash because of it, people will not be able to see the start lights, stuff like that. They will complain till It's removed.



#10 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 16:51

I'm happy to eat crow on this, but I'd be surprised if there are more than 2 races with the HALO. Australia will be a shitstorm, but the FIA will double down for the next round, only to back peddle under pressure from Liberty and the fans thereafter.

If the above sounds familiar, it's because it's based on the events surrounding the obviously stupid qualifying system they implemented last year. 

Teams are building their cars aero with the HALO in mind.

 

It will not just be 'taken off' because of a fan backlash.

 

Only if something nasty happens will they really have to have a re-think.


Edited by ConsiderAndGo, 13 November 2017 - 16:52.


#11 johnmhinds

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 16:56

This.

 

I think everybody will discover It's actually really dangerous to block your line of sight straight in front of you. People will crash because of it, people will not be able to see the start lights, stuff like that. They will complain till It's removed.

 

Have the FIA said how they're going to deal with the start light issue?

 

I have a feeling that it wont even make it to the first race, something will come up during winter testing and it will get pushed back.



#12 TheRacingElf

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 16:59

I'm happy to eat crow on this, but I'd be surprised if there are more than 2 races with the HALO. Australia will be a shitstorm, but the FIA will double down for the next round, only to back peddle under pressure from Liberty and the fans thereafter.

If the above sounds familiar, it's because it's based on the events surrounding the obviously stupid qualifying system they implemented last year. 

I hope so but the problem is that it's going to be permanently mounted to the chassis and with the car designed around it, so taking it off during the season will be pretty difficult I guess.



#13 JonnyJ

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 17:01

Like all the weird contraptions and aero gear F1 has attached to the cars over the years, I'll end up getting used to it and then forget its there. Until it gets replaced with something better and then you look back and think how we ever adjusted.

See stepped noses, cock noses, x wings, narrow rear wings, t-wings etc etc

Would rather they binned it off but it's not going to happen so best just hope they blend them as well as they can

#14 PayasYouRace

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 17:01

Much the same as with most changes. Quite indifferent.

Edit: And I’ll have keep practising the phrase, “It’s just a roll hoop guys. Stop being so melodramatic.”

#15 Dennista

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 17:02

Just put a glass shell over the cockpit with air conditioning inside and call it a day on pure openwheel motor racing. Pathetic. Charlie Whiting and Jean Todt hang your collective heads in shame.



#16 PedroDiCasttro

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 17:04

Lauda said during a recent interview that FIA are treating the drivers like 'babies' with the introduction of new features like the 'halo'.



#17 monolulu

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 17:05

Guess we’ll soon get use to it but the extra weight might be a problem

#18 Jovanotti

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 17:10

The end if an era definitely. Ugly pos.

#19 Vielleicht

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 17:11

There's always IndyCar....



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#20 TomNokoe

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 17:18

I'm still convinced they'll scrap it. It's an insult to Formula 1.

#21 Dennista

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 17:25

I'm still convinced they'll scrap it. It's an insult to Formula 1.

 

But then you have new age F1 fans who think silent electric scooter engines and babying drivers is trendy. 



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Posted 13 November 2017 - 17:25

Much the same as with most changes. Quite indifferent.

Edit: And I’ll have keep practising the phrase, “It’s just a roll hoop guys. Stop being so melodramatic.”

Only pampered men need a roll hoop.

#23 TomNokoe

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 17:26

See stepped noses, cock noses, x wings, narrow rear wings, t-wings etc etc

This is completely different. I can get over visual abnormalities borne out of poorly-written regulations.

At least stepped noses and T-Wings have a purpose we can all get behind = laptime.

The Halo is against the very essence of Formula 1.

It makes the cars look like they are from a different category of humpty dumpty boring cotton wool racing altogether. Like some sick spin off.

They will make the cars way slower - I don't even want to know what the drag penalty is!

For what? The illusion of safety? What an absolute disgrace.

Formula 1 is about driving an aerodynamic spaceship as fast as possible in-between the world's forests with absolutely no regard for safety and absolutely every regard for VICTORY. I hate it.

Does it make the cars...
Faster? No
Sexy? No
Exciting? No
Louder? No
More competitive field? No
Harder to drive? No
Cost-saving? No
Road relevant? No
Appealing to youth? No
Technologically interesting? No
Safer? In very exceptional circumstances

I could go on and on and on, where is the compromise??????? What part of SPORT is defined by this ****ing monstrosity.

Even basic things like onboard cameras are RUINED.

NO NO NO

Edited by TomNokoe, 13 November 2017 - 17:36.


#24 RECKLESS

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 17:29

Worst joke ever is what it is.

#25 jstrains

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 17:52

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#26 SenorSjon

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 17:55

I'm not going to rehash the previous topics, but having a poor sounding, stretched out flipflop is not F1.

#27 superden

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 18:05

And it's Abu Crappy. Double slap.

#28 Grayson

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 18:06

Formula 1 is about driving an aerodynamic spaceship as fast as possible in-between the world's forests with absolutely no regard for safety and absolutely every regard for VICTORY.

 

The FIA, the teams, some of the drivers and plenty of fans disagree with the "absolutely no regard for safety" part.

 

That might be what you'd like F1 to be (and everyone's entitled to their opinion) but that's not what F1 is about any more.



#29 learningtobelost

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 18:30

Have the FIA said how they're going to deal with the start light issue?

 

I have a feeling that it wont even make it to the first race, something will come up during winter testing and it will get pushed back.

 

This is the other outcome that seems likely based on previous form.

 

I hope so but the problem is that it's going to be permanently mounted to the chassis and with the car designed around it, so taking it off during the season will be pretty difficult I guess.

 

I see what you're saying, but I think if there's enough collective will, they will find a temporary solution quick-sharp.



#30 turk157

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 18:35

HALO what a load of ....

worst FIA idea ever,even worse than the ugly noses idea. :down: :down: :down: :down: :down:



#31 wingwalker

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 18:38

Oh **** I've totally forgotten about that. CRAP. I guess people won't be yelling "not enough onboards" anymore. At least I won't.



#32 Atreiu

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 18:39

I don't think I'll make any real effort to watch F-Halo.



#33 wingwalker

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 18:40

I'm still convinced they'll scrap it. It's an insult to Formula 1.


I remember being totally convinced double points idea for the last race from a few years back is going to last 2 weeks at most, like until next meeting all the major players are at. Nooooope.



#34 Lights

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 18:51

Stop reminding me.



#35 Ivanhoe

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 18:51

Didn't we already have a Halo thread? Not much added value in this one tbh. Read nothing new.

Edited by Ivanhoe, 13 November 2017 - 18:52.


#36 JHSingo

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 18:55

I was having a good day til you reminded me about this.



#37 pdac

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 18:58

Teams are building their cars aero with the HALO in mind.

 

It will not just be 'taken off' because of a fan backlash.

 

Only if something nasty happens will they really have to have a re-think.

 

Exactly this. The HALO is here to stay unless, as stated, something nasty happens that can be attributed to HALO.



#38 Sndr

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 18:59

absolute non-issue imho.


Edited by Sndr, 13 November 2017 - 19:09.


#39 R Soul

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 19:00

Why do some people write halo in capital letters? Is it an acronym or do some people just get confused by it having such a short name?



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#40 turk157

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 19:18

Why do some people write halo in capital letters? Is it an acronym or do some people just get confused by it having such a short name?

HALO is so bad you have to shout...and even after that

still bad...  ;)



#41 quaint

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 19:22

Have the FIA said how they're going to deal with the start light issue?

 

I have a feeling that it wont even make it to the first race, something will come up during winter testing and it will get pushed back.

 

How come you are so pessimistic of the chances now? IIRC you were quite certain of your wish being fulfilled even when the teams showed little interest on actually seeing this through, and seeing how the FIA laid down the law to put a stop to that, what's changed?

 

Now of all the times is not one to despair the possible hardships – the FIA has made clear they will have their way even if the least of fixes is to install personal starting lights for all the drivers on the grid.


Edited by quaint, 13 November 2017 - 19:23.


#42 ArrowsLivery

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 19:24

Totally agree. The end of an era. I can see some attempts to get rid of it early in the season, but some team will veto it with their selfish interests in mind.

#43 wingwalker

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 19:28

absolute non-issue imho.

Greetings, mr. Stevie Wonder! Your 70's output is almost flawless!


Edited by wingwalker, 13 November 2017 - 19:29.


#44 Maustinsj

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 19:30

 

Wish I couldn't see a halo, halo, halooooooooooo...


Edited by Maustinsj, 13 November 2017 - 19:30.


#45 spacekid

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 20:01

It’s the end of open cockpit F1, a tradition that stretches back to the very beginning of motorsports. I find it very sad.

If any of the current drivers feel F1 is too dangerous I would lose no respect for any of them to step away. But let’s not pretend that this is like attempts to improve safety in Jackie Stewart’s day when F1 really was dangerous. I’d rather get in an F1 car than cycle to work in London.

I honestly feel that rather than demand the end of open cockpit racing it would have been better for those who don’t want to be involved to step away and do racing they are comfortable with. I’m sure there would be no shortage of candidates to take their places.

#46 Afaf

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 20:04

I'm happy to eat crow on this, but I'd be surprised if there are more than 2 races with the HALO. Australia will be a shitstorm, but the FIA will double down for the next round, only to back peddle under pressure from Liberty and the fans thereafter.

If the above sounds familiar, it's because it's based on the events surrounding the obviously stupid qualifying system they implemented last year. 

 

Exactly my thoughts. The FIA are a reactionary bunch, the backlash will be severe and the whole thing will be axed soon enough.



#47 Sndr

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 20:09

Greetings, mr. Stevie Wonder! Your 70's output is almost flawless!

 

your witticisms are lost on me



#48 Afaf

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 20:11

And I still struggle to understand how plonking this thing on top of the car, making it take twice as long to get out makes it safer.

 

Surely there's much more chance of a fire and a driver needing a quick evacuation than a flying tire.



#49 Kobasmashi

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 20:11

I'm looking forward to seeing the Toro Rosso under the lights, it's a very pretty car and could be the last pretty one we see for a while.

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 20:20

And I still struggle to understand how plonking this thing on top of the car, making it take twice as long to get out makes it safer.

 

Surely there's much more chance of a fire and a driver needing a quick evacuation than a flying tire.

 

I agree. But the arguments have been around and around and F1 has moved on.

 

No one is threatening to boycott next year, except a bunch of angry fans, most of whom will not either.


Edited by pdac, 13 November 2017 - 20:22.