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[jjcale]

Tsarwash, on 14 Dec 2017 - 15:42, said:

Says the person with a picture of a woman in her underwear as his avatar. 

 

To be fair fair - if you look at his(?) username I dont think he is complimenting her about her figure!

[Vielleicht]

oetzi, on 14 Dec 2017 - 16:24, said:

I thought you were sensitive to perceptions?

What do you want me to say?

Edited by Vielleicht, 14 December 2017 - 16:27.

[goingthedistance]

B Squared, on 14 Dec 2017 - 16:22, said:

And yet thousands of females show up and watch the racing...it's baffling.

Perhaps many of them are attending the race with their partner, rather than initiating the outing (not all, I know I'm an exception, but that is my impression from attending races)? According to the latest Global F1 Fan Survey just 10% of fans are female.

Who's to say how many more might turn up if the sport was less clearly gendered in its marketing?

[Slowersofterdumber]

B Squared, on 14 Dec 2017 - 16:17, said:

Modeling is not a new profession; I'm confident those involved find it to be a real job.

https://www.thebalan...odeling-2379382

Some people are able to work and make a great living doing things they love, and it doesn't always mean it is properly "real" in yours or others eyes. That shouldn't diminish the fact they are gainfully employed. Are we going to now propose a list of work that only you (and others who are likeminded) approve of?

No, no one needs my approval for anything. Just saying that if all you can do in life is sit there and look good, and if that chance vanishes you can't redirect your life, you're not very valuable for society.

I don't need to make that list anyway, it's common sense. We all know what jobs are actually helping the World move forward.

[RedBaron]

I shall be furious if they do away with grid girls.

 

The objectification of women reminds me that I'm not a homosexual whilst simultaneously reminding me that men are more important than women.

[Nonesuch]

The "grid girls" I've spoken to around Zandvoort were all either (well!) paid models or fans of motorsport. But it's all good as long as some feel nice about removing them from the event...

 

Anyway, if this is the way forward - I assume this means the director will stop filming the D-list "celebrities" or partners in their half-a-shirts? Wouldn't want people to think F1 is promoting 20-year-olds having a relation with a 50+ millionaire.

Edited by Nonesuch, 14 December 2017 - 16:32.

[Graveltrappen]

superden, on 14 Dec 2017 - 14:42, said:

If you want boobs that badly, Google 'boobs'.

Bloody hell, just tried that. Worked a treat! Thanks for the top tip!

[oetzi]

goingthedistance, on 14 Dec 2017 - 16:27, said:

Perhaps many of them are attending the race with their partner, rather than initiating the outing (not all, I know I'm an exception, but that is my impression from attending races)? According to the latest Global F1 Fan Survey just 10% of fans are female.

Who's to say how many more might turn up if the sport was less clearly gendered in its marketing?

Maybe all the female fans are lesbians and only go for the grid girls.

[Graveltrappen]

Vielleicht, on 14 Dec 2017 - 14:59, said:

I think alternatives are good. The gird guys at Monaco recently was an interesting idea, felt less backwards but wasn't really all that different. I would much rather see passionate fans and/or children in those spots, though preferably not to the highest bidder.

Men taking jobs from women. Very progressive.

[oetzi]

Vielleicht, on 14 Dec 2017 - 16:27, said:

What do you want me to say?

Whatever you like!

[Kraken]

The whole issue seems to fly a long way over the heads of a lot of people. Think of it this way. Six year old boy/girl twins go to a race with their parents. What impressions about what they can do in the future will those kids come away with? I guarantee that the girl isn't going to be thinking she could be driving one of those cars one day when all she see's are women in skimpy clothing holding placards, handing out free samples and applauding the men off the track.

I remember going to car shows in the 70's and 80's where women were virtually performing soft porn on top of the cars while men ogled them. Is that acceptable?

[B Squared]

In thinking about this dire matter; I offended by people that haven't showered, drunkards (ten years sober after 32 years of being a professional drunk), unshaven people (men and women), plus there are some clothes that I don't like, etc., etc., etc.... Just using created examples for my reasoning in that unless we have submissions and approvals - no one should be allowed into any public arena without the tacit approval of the "perpetually offended." I do like that term. When can we get started? ...it sounds like that would be a wonderful way of life.

[johnmhinds]

TheRacingElf, on 14 Dec 2017 - 15:09, said:

Grid girls actually like being grid girls, you know.

My ex girlfriend was a professional promotion model and was hired as a grid girl every so often and she loved it, it was something she did few times a year and she always looked forward to those weekends. It's no different to girls who are bikini models at fashion shows, it's something they choose to do by themselves, nobody forces them to do so whatsoever. It's a shame today's political correct people don't seem to understand that some women actually just like to wear those kind of outfits and feel pretty doing so.

Nobody is saying that models don't enjoy being models, obviously they do. People are just asking what their relevance to the sport is meant to be.

 

Do we really need a chorus line of hot models to make the show look better?

 

This is already sexy enough to get me to tune in.

Edited by johnmhinds, 14 December 2017 - 16:35.

[B Squared]

goingthedistance, on 14 Dec 2017 - 16:27, said:

Perhaps many of them are attending the race with their partner

Doesn't sound like a properly liberated woman to me.

[oetzi]

Kraken, on 14 Dec 2017 - 16:33, said:

The whole issue seems to fly a long way over the heads of a lot of people. Think of it this way. Six year old boy/girl twins go to a race with their parents. What impressions about what they can do in the future will those kids come away with? I guarantee that the girl isn't going to be thinking she could be driving one of those cars one day when all she see's are women in skimpy clothing holding placards, handing out free samples and applauding the men off the track.

Are you suggesting girls don't have the wit or ambition to decide for themselves what they want to do?

[oetzi]

johnmhinds, on 14 Dec 2017 - 16:34, said:

Nobody is saying that models don't enjoy being models, obviously they do.

Not all of them do. No more than all accountants enjoy being accountants

[Vielleicht]

Graveltrappen, on 14 Dec 2017 - 16:32, said:

Men taking jobs from women. Very progressive.

Logically speaking, if women take men's jobs but men don't take women's jobs, then you'd just end up with fewer job opportunities for men.

Progressive should be equal opportunity for all, not just one group.

Edited by Vielleicht, 14 December 2017 - 16:38.

[B Squared]

Slowersofterdumber, on 14 Dec 2017 - 16:28, said:

No, no one needs my approval for anything. Just saying that if all you can do in life is sit there and look good, and if that chance vanishes you can't redirect your life, you're not very valuable for society.

I don't need to make that list anyway, it's common sense. We all know what jobs are actually helping the World move forward.

All I do for a living is write...it's not medicine by any means and won't change any lives....shall I go get a real job too?

[MKSixer]

We must have truly reached the zenith of civilization when this is a point to be seriously discussed.  They enjoy being grid girls.  Most patrons of racing enjoy the grid girls.  Leave it alone ferchrissakes.

[Lights]

I hardly even notice that there are grid girls these days. Waste of money if you'd ask me.

 

What's the point? Can't they just put up a weighted sign instead? I'm sure nobody has to actually hold that thing.

 

I certainly wouldn't want to keep it for the tradition. 

 

I want to see good racing between the greatest cars on earth, all these other aspects aren't that valuable for me.

[Nonesuch]

Kraken, on 14 Dec 2017 - 16:33, said:

The whole issue seems to fly a long way over the heads of a lot of people. Think of it this way. Six year old boy/girl twins go to a race with their parents. What impressions about what they can do in the future will those kids come away with?

 

They're six year olds... they're not going to get any impressions about their future career opportunities. It's going to be great fun, and next week they'll want water balloons and a new baseball.

Edited by Nonesuch, 14 December 2017 - 16:56.

[Pimpwerx]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

i don't care one way or another, because i've never seen much of them in the broadcasts. i'm usually more interested of what i can see of the car or driver during the grid walk. however, i think this is one of those classic throwbacks to the "playboy" days of old. it's one of those aspects of not just motorsports, but car culture in general that i will shamefully uphold, because i like it. fast cars and beautiful women have always gone together. i'd hate to lose it.

 

that said, maybe going to kids as mascots would be the most amicable way forward. *sigh*

[B Squared]

Slowersofterdumber, on 14 Dec 2017 - 16:28, said:

you're not very valuable for society.

Uncle Adolf??? is that you?

[RedBaron]

Nonesuch, on 14 Dec 2017 - 16:55, said:

They're six year olds... they're not going to get any impressions about their future career opportunities. It's going to be great fun, and next week they'll want water balloons and a new baseball.

 

However the world around them is being shaped, even if their personal impressions aren't at that moment in time.

 

It isn't about girls going to races as kids and seeing women as grid girls and only wanting to become 'grid girls' and nothing more.

 

It's a core problem in society that women are not seen on the same level as men. It's why it's seen as 'acceptable' for women not to get top jobs purely down to gender, it's why it's seen as 'acceptable' for women to be paid less for the same job, same hours as a man. It's why it's seen as 'acceptable' to sexually assault women. The list goes on...

 

If Formula 1 decides it is going to be part of breaking the trend then good for it.

 

Women are worth more than the sexual arousement of men. 

[Fastcake]

MKSixer, on 14 Dec 2017 - 16:46, said:

We must have truly reached the zenith of civilization when this is a point to be seriously discussed.  They enjoy being grid girls.  Most patrons of racing enjoy the grid girls.  Leave it alone ferchrissakes.

 

I doubt most patrons give two hoots.

 

If you're at the track, you obviously can't see anything happening on the grid unless you're in the grandstand opposite, and then you're more interested in spotting the drivers and other famous faces than looking at the people holding the signs. If you're watching at home, you only see what the cameras pick up, and the only time the grid girls appear on the FOM broadcast is during the clappy podium walk. I barely even notice them during the grid walk itself, as the attention of the presenter is so focused on running about trying to catch someone interesting to talk to.

 

No, they'll disappear, and it will be met with a wave of indifference from most, and a small positive for some.

[PayasYouRace]

Definitely get rid of the grid girl line up applauding the drivers on the way to the podium. That’s naff. Comes across as part of the drivers’ prizes for winning.

But get some pretty people to hold the brollies and race numbers. Have grid lads occasionally too.

[johnmhinds]

B Squared, on 14 Dec 2017 - 16:59, said:

Uncle Adolf??? is that you?

 

Hey that was quick. Yes, people who don't like grid girls also want to send them to the gas chambers. You're correct and aren't over reacting in any way....

 

[B Squared]

johnmhinds - I don't have a sarcasm emoji. If you look at the original posters dialogue you'll see he was assigning which jobs on the planet were worthy of being considered "real jobs." See below:

"Just saying that if all you can do in life is sit there and look good, and if that chance vanishes you can't redirect your life, you're not very valuable for society."

I feel history shows that it is dangerous for people to be deciding it's their call on who is considered "not very valuable for society."

[johnmhinds]

It's one guys opinion on the internet not a danger to society.

 

You we're over reacting to him even if you are being sarcastic.

[B Squared]

perpetually offended?

[Mosrite]

There is all this talk about women being in F1, and there they are, on the grid, looking pretty. I think they need to get rid of the grid girls before they can talk about women being in F1 in another capacity.

I don't mind pretty women, of course not, it's just strange in this PC culture we live in today, that there can be a group of what look like model type girls....how are the little girl F1 fans supposed to feel? "

Mommy, do I have to look like that to be in F1?"
 

In my opinion liberty will get rid of them to appeal to more women

[Swck81]

 

 

Maria Herrera and her Grid Boy. How dare she!

 

But seriously: As a male I can't see nothing wrong about her using male as a decoration...

Edited by Swck81, 14 December 2017 - 17:33.

[Vielleicht]

If we can all agree that being male or female should not stop you from working in Formula 1 be it driving, managing, presenting, commentating or whatever, surely being a man shouldn't stop someone from dressing up to look nice and holding a sign on the grid? That way it's just a level playing field for everyone.

[NixxxoN]

Sigh... I guess this is due to radical feminist protests. They have to ruin the economy of fine looking women...

No one forces them to do the job. End of

[thegforcemaybewithyou]

We need gender neutral robots on the grid and unions supporting the protests by models in front of the main entrance.

"They are taking our jobs!"

[dau]

I'm all for it. Even more so after scrolling through this thread. 

[Ben1445]

NixxxoN, on 14 Dec 2017 - 17:39, said:

Sigh... I guess this is due to radical feminist protests. They have to ruin the economy of fine looking women...

No one forces them to do the job. End of

 

thegforcemaybewithyou, on 14 Dec 2017 - 17:39, said:

We need gender neutral robots on the grid and unions supporting the protests by models in front of the main entrance.

"They are taking our jobs!"

Both completely unhelpful and inaccurate comments. 

[Ben1445]

I'm encouraged by Ross Brawn's words on the subject. They're clearly not doing this for some ideologically driven social justice crusade, they're just initiating a sensible discussion over grid girls and their place in the sport. That's how it should be. 

[Swck81]

Males objectification have achieved perfection several hundreds years ago with all the statues and art depicting barely clad men. Females on the other hand have just been given their right for global exposure, they deserved to be given time to reach to our level! Don't take away their chance! Grid Girls = equality! 

[LeClerc]

It is comforting to see that the sport is so well sorted, that attention can now be directed at this monumental question.

[kevinracefan]

getting rid of grid girls is a horrible idea...

 

for the usual suspects of "holier than thou" posters, keep in mind that...

 

 

 

 

 

THEY WANT TO BE THERE.. NONE OF THEM ARE BEING EXPLOITED IN ANYONE'S MIND, but yours...

 

sharing the space with local kids would be fine, too...

[BRG]

WIth everything that is wrong with F1, it is nice to see that the powers-that-be have decided that rearranging the deckchairs is the most important thing to do, as the SS Effwun takes on water......

[Rinehart]

Its only a matter of time before they decide that F1 cars are too fast and should only be capable of 70mph, otherwise they are just setting a bad example. 

[kevinracefan]

johnmhinds, on 14 Dec 2017 - 16:34, said:

 

 

Do we really need a chorus line of hot models to make the show look better?

 

 

 

better there than not there...

[kevinracefan]

Rinehart, on 14 Dec 2017 - 18:02, said:

Its only a matter of time before they decide that F1 cars are too fast and should only be capable of 70mph, otherwise they are just setting a bad example. 

side pods are too skimpy...

[oetzi]

Rinehart, on 14 Dec 2017 - 18:02, said:

Its only a matter of time before they decide that F1 cars are too fast and should only be capable of 70mph, otherwise they are just setting a bad example.

That's formula E

[saudoso]

TheRacingElf, on 14 Dec 2017 - 15:09, said:

Grid girls actually like being grid girls, you know.
My ex girlfriend was a professional promotion model and was hired as a grid girl every so often and she loved it, it was something she did few times a year and she always looked forward to those weekends. It's no different to girls who are bikini models at fashion shows, it's something they choose to do by themselves, nobody forces them to do so whatsoever. It's a shame today's political correct people don't seem to understand that some women actually just like to wear those kind of outfits and feel pretty doing so.

People can't be trusted to decide what they do.

We've had the nanny state for a while.

Now we have the nanny federation.

[Ben1445]

oetzi, on 14 Dec 2017 - 18:07, said:

That's formula E

140mph actually. Only going to get faster too. 

[davidlan]

saudoso, on 14 Dec 2017 - 18:14, said:

People can't be trusted to decide what they do.

We've had the nanny state for a while.

Now we have the nanny federation.

 These statements are wrong on so many levels (I always wanted to say that)

 

Firstly by indicated a gender to the state and federation 'nanny' you are implying men cannot micro manage our existence.

As a card carry member of the male race I demand we change the terms to "deeply concerned person's state" or "Dong carrying person's federation"

 

You have to erase these sexiest terms before it's too late and trans-gender robots take over the world.

 

dave 

[ClubmanGT]

Short story long, if you take your son to a race, he sees drivers, mechanics and engineers. If you take your daughter to the race, the only women she'll see is people holding umbrellas in skimpy clothing. And we wonder why so few women make it into motorsports, let alone F1.