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[Gary Davies]

I'm no fan of Morgan but holy hell, he put it to Ecclestone. We've all seen Bernie wriggle and squirm with interviewers over the years and frequently get away with a tko or perhaps a draw. But this time, he was really nailed by Morgan and made to look utterly foolish, past it and lightweight. 

 

[ConsiderAndGo]

A nasty, racist, deluded, unhinged old man.

[Beri]

I think given what Piquet and Bernie have said, its not "cancel culture" or "PC gone mad" to push back on them. They are talking absolute bullshit and if you just laugh it away you are a very insecure person who won't challenge anything.

 

That said the overdramatic "I am shocked and appalled by recent statements that go against our core, intrinsic values of inclusivity and blah blah" like, who talks like that?
 

A simple "Ehh to hell with that guy" or group cold-shoulder works just fine and doesn't poke the "omg they're overreacting" response. 

 

How about a statement by Hamilton: "Bernie said that? You mean that senile old man? *starts laughing*"?

 

I think that works way better to just shrug it off rather than getting.. into.. every.. little.. detail.. and.. exaggerating.. how.. it.. affects.. you..

 

But hey, thats me!

[Red5ive]

How about a statement by Hamilton: "Bernie said that? You mean that senile old man? *starts laughing*"?

 

I think that works way better to just shrug it off rather than getting.. into.. every.. little.. detail.. and.. exaggerating.. how.. it.. affects.. you..

 

But hey, thats me!

 

er..theres shrugging it off and then theres making it even worse - which is what that sentence above would do......

Edited by Red5ive, 01 July 2022 - 14:36.

[onewingedangel]

It's at the point that these interviewers are only asking Bernie questions because they know he's going to say something offensive.

Bernie is no longer involved with F1, and whilst he is entitled to have an opinion, I fail to see whose interest it is in for it to be shared.

He's not been fully sharp for a long time, and if his recent actions are any indication it's got far worse in his time away from the spotlight.

It's not journalism at this point it's exploitative.

[BRG]

It's like interviewing David Icke.  Pointless, but irresistible to the media. 

[Autodromo]

I am baffled why anyone interviews Bernie, JV or Ralph Schumacher.  They aren't involved, they haven't been involved for some time, and they basically just stir things up

[Claudius]

I am baffled why anyone interviews Bernie, JV or Ralph Schumacher. They aren't involved, they haven't been involved for some time, and they basically just stir things up

As long as they talk about F1 then no problem imo. Even though they can be annoying.
But cheering for a brutal dictator? That’s something else.

[Vitesse2]

I am baffled why anyone interviews Bernie, JV or Ralph Schumacher.  They aren't involved, they haven't been involved for some time, and they basically just stir things up

Oh, so was that some other bloke called Jacques Villeneuve doing the post-race interviews in Montreal then?

[Autodromo]

Oh, so was that some other bloke called Jacques Villeneuve doing the post-race interviews in Montreal then?

I do not really consider doing a post race interview as being "involved".  It's basically no more than a famous hometown fan.  I mean, I wouldn't claim Willy T. Ribbs was involved in F1

[Ross Stonefeld]

Hasn't Villeneuve been a commentator for Sky Italy for many years?

 

Yeah he's opinionated but god at least he says something. 

[Autodromo]

Hasn't Villeneuve been a commentator for Sky Italy for many years?

 

Yeah he's opinionated but god at least he says something. 

Could be; it just seems like every time I see the headline of an article interviewing him he is just stirring sh** and I do not respect that.

[Vitesse2]

Could be; it just seems like every time I see the headline of an article interviewing him he is just stirring sh** and I do not respect that.

Semi-retired racing driver has opinions shock.

[Autodromo]

Semi-retired racing driver has opinions shock.

I have opinions as well but I wish the press would interview people who have something constructive to say

[Ross Stonefeld]

There's enough PR as it is. And I can't think of anything offensive JV has said.

[Autodromo]

There's enough PR as it is. And I can't think of anything offensive JV has said.

Not offensive in the way that Piquet said, but almost everything is negative.  I just did a quick search on his name and google news and nearly every quote is negative about people or the team.  I believe there is plenty of negativity in the world without adding to it so I wish I the press would stop interviewing him.  I mean, you can provide the same message but in a positive manner.  

[noikeee]

Come on that's not quite the same thing.

Yeah JV seems a weird bitter man but at least he's not a, let's put down everyone using their skin colour kind of guy.

[Autodromo]

Come on that's not quite the same thing.

Yeah JV seems a weird bitter man but at least he's not a, let's put down everyone using their skin colour kind of guy.

Not sure if that was in response to my comments but that was not part of my reasoning (see above).  The three people I mentioned above all have different MO's and I don't like any of them (for Ralph, it is basically defending Mick.  I get it, but you might as well interview Corinna to get a defense of Mick).

[FirstnameLastname]

I always got the impression JV just wanted to be Canadas F1 sweetheart… he’s their World Champ after all.

Luckily for him, the Canadians in F1 aren’t much cop and are easily trash talkable.

[ANF]

I'm no fan of Morgan but holy hell, he put it to Ecclestone. We've all seen Bernie wriggle and squirm with interviewers over the years and frequently get away with a tko or perhaps a draw. But this time, he was really nailed by Morgan and made to look utterly foolish, past it and lightweight. 
 

I love the opening titles and the way they have strung together every right-wing moron's favourite buzzwords: Woke insanity! Cancel culture! Snowflake society! Identity politics! Censorship! The world's gone nuts! Defend democracy! Save free speech! Wake up!

[William Hunt]

Having watched the full Bernie interview it's amazing how many times he contradicted himself, at times it seemed he had no clue what he was saying. Almost seemed senile. But I do remember his 'Hitler at least got things done' comment which was around 2009.

 

Bernie clearly is very conservative and people who are very conservative tend to like authoritarian persons or regimes. Law & order + a lot of power in a single man's hands and in particular a society where little to no social change is possible: where the distribution of power & wealth remains the same or increases the inequality. So no surprise he has no problems with dictators like Putin or with Mosley's family past.

 

That said: Bernie is also a very loyal person. Nelson Piquet (also Carlos Pace) was a driver he adored and they had a very close & friendly relationship when Piquet drove at Brabham. There was respect between them and Piquet also 'got things done' by winning titles for him. So Bernie probably feels he should always defend him regardless what he says.
In the same trent Bernie is probably loyal to Putin because... Bernie tried to get a race in Russia still back when it was part of the Soviet Union, as far back as 1983 (with a street race in Moscow he tried to get on the calendar for '83 or '84). With Putin he managed to get that races, Putin 'got things done' so he could have a race there and that's probably why he feels the need to defend him. He speaks more about his personal experience with both Piquet & Putin when he defended them. That's how Bernies mind seems to work.

 

He does seem to have little understanding of what impact a dictator can have on it's citizen. He's clearly not someone who believes in democracy or equal rights. I wouldn't call Bernie a racist because he defended Piquet: that clearly had to do with the kind of relation he had with Piquet back in the '80s imho. But I doubt he understands the concept racism or what harm it can do.

 

What I wonder do is: what is the motive of journalists to interview an, almost 92 year old (in october he will be 92) man who has no power position anymore and who is clear in his mind anymore. It feels like exploitation is what their goal is: if you interview him you can almost be certain he is going to say something extreme or silly, the guy seems half senile these days after all. What added value does it give to interview someone like him? Bait click, a scandal? That was probably the motive. 

I would be more concerned if let's say someone like Domenicali or Toto Wolff would say these kind of things today. Bernie is a relic from the past who was no true influence anymore in F1. Who cares what a dementing 92 year old is saying? He hardly seemed to understand what he was saying in the interview. So many contradictions he said. It was embarasing.

 

Also note that outside America people don't realise the meaning of  "coloured" or "people of colour". In some languages that may even be considered non racist language whilst that word is considered racist in America.

Twenty years ago when I was in my '20s we had the Williams sisters breaking through and on top in WTA tennis. Back then I wrote on a tennis forum that we it would be good if we had 'more coloured players'. I thought at the time that the term 'coloured' was actually a non racist term and some people called what I wrote racist, I was shocked off course because what I was actually saying is that it would be good if we had more black players but also of other ethnicity which is why I had used the term 'coloured'.

Simply because back then I did not know that coloured was a term used in the slavery period in the United States. People, Americans in this case, should not just assume that people from outside their country with a different mother tongue understand the 'meaning' or more precisely the 'history' of a word. In the interview it was clear to me that Bernie doesn't understand the weight that word carries either. He is not American, in the UK people might not know the historical context either.
 

Edited by William Hunt, 02 July 2022 - 21:28.

[AlexPrime]

I think that Bernie is really old now and should relax instead of caring too much about politics. 

[BRG]

 I mean, you can provide the same message but in a positive manner.  

Perhaps you could enlarge on how to be negative in a positive manner?

[pdac]

I think that Bernie is really old now and should relax instead of caring too much about politics. 

 

Bernie is (and has always been) one of those people who do not understand what relaxing is.

[Autodromo]

Perhaps you could enlarge on how to be negative in a positive manner?

Sure:  George has really pushed Lewis this year and has gotten the better of him more often than not this year.  Versus:  Lewis looks washed up and is letting this young driver push him around.  

[Claymore25]

Having watched the full Bernie interview it's amazing how many times he contradicted himself, at times it seemed he had no clue what he was saying. Almost seemed senile. But I do remember his 'Hitler at least got things done' comment which was around 2009.

 

Bernie clearly is very conservative and people who are very conservative tend to like authoritarian persons or regimes. Law & order + a lot of power in a single man's hands and in particular a society where little to no social change is possible: where the distribution of power & wealth remains the same or increases the inequality. So no surprise he has no problems with dictators like Putin or with Mosley's family past.

 

That said: Bernie is also a very loyal person. Nelson Piquet (also Carlos Pace) was a driver he adored and they had a very close & friendly relationship when Piquet drove at Brabham. There was respect between them and Piquet also 'got things done' by winning titles for him. So Bernie probably feels he should always defend him regardless what he says.
In the same trent Bernie is probably loyal to Putin because... Bernie tried to get a race in Russia still back when it was part of the Soviet Union, as far back as 1983 (with a street race in Moscow he tried to get on the calendar for '83 or '84). With Putin he managed to get that races, Putin 'got things done' so he could have a race there and that's probably why he feels the need to defend him. He speaks more about his personal experience with both Piquet & Putin when he defended them. That's how Bernies mind seems to work.

 

He does seem to have little understanding of what impact a dictator can have on it's citizen. He's clearly not someone who believes in democracy or equal rights. I wouldn't call Bernie a racist because he defended Piquet: that clearly had to do with the kind of relation he had with Piquet back in the '80s imho. But I doubt he understands the concept racism or what harm it can do.

 

What I wonder do is: what is the motive of journalists to interview an, almost 92 year old (in october he will be 92) man who has no power position anymore and who is clear in his mind anymore. It feels like exploitation is what their goal is: if you interview him you can almost be certain he is going to say something extreme or silly, the guy seems half senile these days after all. What added value does it give to interview someone like him? Bait click, a scandal? That was probably the motive. 

I would be more concerned if let's say someone like Domenicali or Toto Wolff would say these kind of things today. Bernie is a relic from the past who was no true influence anymore in F1. Who cares what a dementing 92 year old is saying? He hardly seemed to understand what he was saying in the interview. So many contradictions he said. It was embarasing.

 

Also note that outside America people don't realise the meaning of  "coloured" or "people of colour". In some languages that may even be considered non racist language whilst that word is considered racist in America.

Twenty years ago when I was in my '20s we had the Williams sisters breaking through and on top in WTA tennis. Back then I wrote on a tennis forum that we it would be good if we had 'more coloured players'. I thought at the time that the term 'coloured' was actually a non racist term and some people called what I wrote racist, I was shocked off course because what I was actually saying is that it would be good if we had more black players but also of other ethnicity which is why I had used the term 'coloured'.

Simply because back then I did not know that coloured was a term used in the slavery period in the United States. People, Americans in this case, should not just assume that people from outside their country with a different mother tongue understand the 'meaning' or more precisely the 'history' of a word. In the interview it was clear to me that Bernie doesn't understand the weight that word carries either. He is not American, in the UK people might not know the historical context either.
 

 

 

I pretty much agree with the bold part. In my country happens the same. In fact we don't have a meaning for coloured or people of colour. We simply say black.

[mclarensmps]

Bernie is a massive troll, who will never publicly state or tell anyone what he's truly thinking. 

[renzmann]

Not sure if that was in response to my comments but that was not part of my reasoning (see above).  The three people I mentioned above all have different MO's and I don't like any of them (for Ralph, it is basically defending Mick.  I get it, but you might as well interview Corinna to get a defense of Mick).

I have no idea how you can put Villeneuve and Schumacher on the same list as Ecclestone. According to your standards, it'll only be Vettel interviews from now on!

 

Schumacher is very critical of Mick. A Sky Germany coverage of a GP is less enjoyable without him.

[BRG]

Sure:  George has really pushed Lewis this year and has gotten the better of him more often than not this year.  Versus:  Lewis looks washed up and is letting this young driver push him around.  

I see.  You favour the PR man's press release style of ignoring anything that is less than complimentary and just being relentlessly up-beat.  

 

For the record, I don't believe that Lewis is washed up or is letting young George push him around, but the fact are clear, that George has had the upper hand so far.  That may change.

[William Hunt]

Since Bernie said 'he's prepared to take a bullet for Putin', well he can join the Ukranian resistance then. He might take a bullet then.