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[LolaB0860]

Don't give them any ideas. I'm seriously predicting that by 2030 half of the races (15/30) are (night/twilight) street races.

 

2030 FIA Formula One World Championship

 

Stage 1 - Pirelli Formula 1 Premiere

RD01 - Pirelli Bahrain Grand Prix - Bahrain International Circuit (Night Race)

 

Stage 2 - Rolex Formula 1 Chase for Playoffs

RD02 - Race as One Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - World Wide Humanity Raceway (Night Race / Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD03 - Rolex Qatar Grand Prix of Freedom - Doha Street Circuit (Night Race / DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

RD04 - Emirates Dubai Grand Prix - Dubai Autodrome (Night Race / Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD05 - Porsche presents the South African Grand Prix - Johannesburg Street Circuit (Night Race / DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

RD06 - Heineken Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai International Circuit (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD07 - Petronas Thai Grand Prix - Chang International Circuit (Night Race / Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD08 - Crypto Grand Prix of New York City - New Jersey Street Circuit (Night Race / DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

RD09 - Royal Caribbean Cruises Miami Grand Prix - Miami International Autodrome (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD10 - Blockchain.com Spanish Grand Prix - Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya Alonso (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD11 - Monaco Grand Prix delivered to you by DHL - Circuit de Monaco (DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

RD12 - Disney+ American Grand Prix - Disneyland World Circuit (Night Race / Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD13 - Canadian Tire Grand Prix - Circuit Gilles Villeneuve (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD14 - Volkswagen Group's Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku City Circuit (DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

RD15 - SMP European Grand Prix - V.P. Igora Drive (Night Race / Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD16 - Red Bull Austrian Grand Prix - Red Bull Ring (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD17 - Gives You Wings Grand Prix of Holland - Max Zandvoort (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD18 - Tesco & Crypto British Grand Prix by Aston Martin - Silverstone Circuit (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD19 - Lukoil Magyar Nagydij Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD20 - TOTAL Belgian Grand Prix via Mercedes-Benz - Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD21 - Vorsprung durch Technik German Grand Prix via Audi - Berlin Plaza City Circuit (Night Race / DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

RD22 - Rossiya Segodnya Grand Prix of Minsk - Alexander Raceway (Night Race / DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

RD23 - Gran Premio del Made in Italy Ferrari Grand Prix - Monza Circuit (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD24 - Singapore Airlines Asian Grand Prix - Marina Bay Street Circuit (Night Race / DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

RD25 - Toyota Grand Prix of Fuji - Fuji Speedway (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD26 - Formula One Coca-Cola 300 - Circuit of the Americas (Night Race / Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD27 - Pokerstars Vegas Grand Prix Before the Playoffs - Las Vegas Street Circuit (Night Race / DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

 

Stage 3 - Uber Formula 1 Playoffs 

RD28 - Walmart de Mexico Grand Prix - Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD29 - Tip Top Restaurants Nicaraguan Grand Prix - Nicaragua International Speedway (Night Race / Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD30 - The City of Sao Paolo's World Peace Grand Prix - Autodromo Jose Carlos Place (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD31 - Uber Australian Grand Prix - Melbourne Grand Prix Circuit (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD32 - Gulf Grand Prix powered by Gulf Air - Bahrain International Circuit Outer Loop (Night Race / Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD33 - Arabian Nights QNB Grand Prix - Jeddah Corniche Circuit (Night Race / DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

 

Stage 4 - Pirelli Formula 1 Grand Finale

RD34 - Etihad Airways Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina (Night Race)

Edited by LolaB0860, 07 May 2022 - 18:49.

[Ruusperi]

That's some serious effort! It'll take a while to process all those jokes. And eerily, I don't think it will be far from true.

[Fastcake]

Strictly speaking there is a perfectly adequate first corner there, but in the infinite wisdom of the race organisers, they elected not to use it...

[azza200]

2030 FIA Formula One World Championship

 

Stage 1 - Pirelli Formula 1 Premiere

RD01 - Pirelli Bahrain Grand Prix - Bahrain International Circuit (Night Race)

 

Stage 2 - Rolex Formula 1 Chase for Playoffs

RD02 - Race as One Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - World Wide Humanity Raceway (Night Race / Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD03 - Rolex Qatar Grand Prix of Freedom - Doha Street Circuit (Night Race / DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

RD04 - Emirates Dubai Grand Prix - Dubai Autodrome (Night Race / Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD05 - Porsche presents the South African Grand Prix - Johannesburg Street Circuit (Night Race / DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

RD06 - Heineken Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai International Circuit (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD07 - Petronas Thai Grand Prix - Chang International Circuit (Night Race / Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD08 - Crypto Grand Prix of New York City - New Jersey Street Circuit (Night Race / DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

RD09 - Royal Caribbean Cruises Miami Grand Prix - Miami International Autodrome (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD10 - Blockchain.com Spanish Grand Prix - Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya Alonso (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD11 - Monaco Grand Prix delivered to you by DHL - Circuit de Monaco (DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

RD12 - Disney+ American Grand Prix - Disneyland World Circuit (Night Race / Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD13 - Canadian Tire Grand Prix - Circuit Gilles Villeneuve (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD14 - Volkswagen Group's Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku City Circuit (DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

RD15 - SMP European Grand Prix - V.P. Igora Drive (Night Race / Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD16 - Red Bull Austrian Grand Prix - Red Bull Ring (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD17 - Gives You Wings Grand Prix of Holland - Max Zandvoort (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD18 - Tesco & Crypto British Grand Prix by Aston Martin - Silverstone Circuit (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD19 - Lukoil Magyar Nagydij Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD20 - TOTAL Belgian Grand Prix via Mercedes-Benz - Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD21 - Vorsprung durch Technik German Grand Prix via Audi - Berlin Plaza City Circuit (Night Race / DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

RD22 - Rossiya Segodnya Grand Prix of Minsk - Alexander Raceway (Night Race / DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

RD23 - Gran Premio del Made in Italy Ferrari Grand Prix - Monza Circuit (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD24 - Singapore Airlines Asian Grand Prix - Marina Bay Street Circuit (Night Race / DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

RD25 - Toyota Grand Prix of Fuji - Fuji Speedway (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD26 - Formula One Coca-Cola 300 - Circuit of the Americas (Night Race / Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD27 - Pokerstars Vegas Grand Prix Before the Playoffs - Las Vegas Street Circuit (Night Race / DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

 

Stage 3 - Uber Formula 1 Playoffs 

RD28 - Walmart de Mexico Grand Prix - Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD29 - Tip Top Restaurants Nicaraguan Grand Prix - Nicaragua International Speedway (Night Race / Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD30 - The City of Sao Paolo's World Peace Grand Prix - Autodromo Jose Carlos Place (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD31 - Uber Australian Grand Prix - Melbourne Grand Prix Circuit (Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD32 - Gulf Grand Prix powered by Gulf Air - Bahrain International Circuit Outer Loop (Night Race / Crypto.com Sprint Round)

RD33 - Arabian Nights QNB Grand Prix - Jeddah Corniche Circuit (Night Race / DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)

 

Stage 4 - Pirelli Formula 1 Grand Finale

RD34 - Etihad Airways Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina (Night Race)

 

and the non championship race after Abu Dhabi 

 

The KFC Zinger Tower Burger DHL sponsored by Ford the motor company that takes you there - AWS Nürburgring 150 miles  

[TheFish]

Hockenheim is great for racing and also great for fans. So many seats that give a great view of the circuit.

 

As we get more and more 'street' circuits in F1 (street circuits like Jeddah and Miami which aren't street circuits in reality), having a race at a circuit like Hockenheim is always good.

[BRG]

Strictly speaking there is a perfectly adequate first corner there, but in the infinite wisdom of the race organisers, they elected not to use it...

There are two perfectly adequate corners there.  IT is the inability of racing drivers to slow down enough to get round them that is the problem.  Put a stone wall there instead of some cones and watch the whole field get round the corner safely.

[LolaB0860]

and the non championship race after Abu Dhabi 

 

The KFC Zinger Tower Burger DHL sponsored by Ford the motor company that takes you there - AWS Nürburgring 150 miles  

 

Yes and this AWS Nurburgring 150 miles is also held at Abu Dhabi, celebrating the long history of Nurburgring with style. There will even be Santa Claus for the kids, promoting the new live action Disney reboot of The Nightmare Before Christmas. Tickets start at 300 dollars for the race and 400 for personal meeting with Santa. I'm hearing Crofty is already queuing up for the latter.

Edited by LolaB0860, 08 May 2022 - 10:09.

[azza200]

Yes and this AWS Nurburgring 150 miles is also held at Abu Dhabi, celebrating the long history of Nurburgring with style. There will even be Santa Claus for the kids, promoting the new live action Disney reboot of The Nightmare Before Christmas. Tickets start at 300 dollars for the race and 400 for personal meeting with Santa. I'm hearing Crofty is already queuing up for the latter.

 

lmao   

[William Hunt]

.....RD22 - Rossiya Segodnya Grand Prix of Minsk - Alexander Raceway (Night Race / DHL Fast Delivery Qualifying Round)...

A Grand Prix in Belarus would be called:

 

'LukasOil and Co Grand Prix of Minsk' to honour their president for life

[RA2]

Are they still looking at Singapore as the replacement for Russia?

[LolaB0860]

Are they still looking at Singapore as the replacement for Russia?

Hopefully not but if they are, the second event should be held in daylight. Like the support races already are. The track and park surroundings looks so much better in sunlight, beautiful in fact.

Edited by LolaB0860, 09 May 2022 - 18:14.

[JimmyClark]

Hopefully not but if they are, the second event should be held in daylight. Like the support races already are. The track and park surroundings looks so much better in sunlight, beautiful in fact.

 

This is the idea, as far as I'm aware. 

 

And indeed, I think with the proliferation of night races now, Singapore should make theirs a daytime race every year. The circuit would look a lot better, as you say, and would save them a fortune on lighting (and carbon footprint). 

[BRG]

And indeed, I think with the proliferation of night races now, Singapore should make theirs a daytime race every year. The circuit would look a lot better, as you say, and would save them a fortune on lighting (and carbon footprint). 

I don't know - at night, the Singapore race could be anywhere as all you see are lights and a ribbon of track.  But in daylight, you would see a city that ....could be anywhere... 

[Clatter]

This is the idea, as far as I'm aware.

And indeed, I think with the proliferation of night races now, Singapore should make theirs a daytime race every year. The circuit would look a lot better, as you say, and would save them a fortune on lighting (and carbon footprint).

Isn't it a night race to make it more time friendly for the market? Be surprised if they went back on that.

[RA2]

Isn't it a night race to make it more time friendly for the market? Be surprised if they went back on that.

 

 

It was a night race to provide a slightly cooler temperature to spectators, escape the afternoon rain and be the first night race (2008)

 

Time wise it is the same as all the Asian and OZ race which is morning in Europe.

 

Singapore late afternoon should be fine if not too hot and does not rain.  

[LolaB0860]

If something like Ferrari Challenge (closed cockpit and probably no AC during session and mostly not-so-fit amateur drivers) can race in the daylight heat of Singapore, then I'm sure F1 can as well. The intense humidity and monsoons, they have experience of this from Sepang.

[boomn]

If something like Ferrari Challenge (closed cockpit and probably no AC during session and mostly not-so-fit amateur drivers) can race in the daylight heat of Singapore, then I'm sure F1 can as well. The intense humidity and monsoons, they have experience of this from Sepang.

current Ferrari Challenge cars do have air conditioning, so that makes a huge difference. That might be something that was removed on the earliest Challenge cars, but at some point they realized that the wealthy amateurs they’re marketing to would much prefer to have AC

[Anja]

GP2 used to race in Singapore during the day and I don't remember any complaints. 

[LolaB0860]

current Ferrari Challenge cars do have air conditioning, so that makes a huge difference. That might be something that was removed on the earliest Challenge cars, but at some point they realized that the wealthy amateurs they’re marketing to would much prefer to have AC

I think I read that on 458 Challenge AC was on only when the car was stationary. Anyway would make sense with the current model

[William Hunt]

Are they still looking at Singapore as the replacement for Russia?

 

I thought they were trying to convince Qatar to hold the race but Qatar initially didn't want an F1 race this year because of their preparations of the world cup soccer.

Portimao and Jerez are know to have proposed to hold the race but F1 doesn't want the replacement race to be in Europe aparently because it would be more difficult for freight transport (don't know why it's harder).

 

A second race at Bahrein (hopefully the short outside track then) was also mentioned. I think they should consider Dubai Autodrome: better circuit as Yas Marina, in the Middle East and they have a licence / the grading to hold an F1 race.

What happened to Turkey as a replacement? When Russia was canceled back in Februari everyone was saying at the time that Turkey was already as good as a done deal but there hasn't been talk about Turkey anymore lately.
If they want to hold it in Asia: the Buddh circuit in India would be a great choice, they still have the Grade One licence.

Edited by William Hunt, 11 May 2022 - 02:29.

[RA2]

The race slot is 25th September, Monza is on 11th. 

 

F1 has an option for 18th September only of Teams and TV stations agree.

 

For whatever reason F1 does not want to send the equipment from Monza/European base to where ever Europe or Middle east while this was originally scheduled for Sochi.

 

I guess going to Singapore is cheaper than doing an additional stopover in between

 

F1 should consider Germany as the way things are going Mick and Sabastian may not be around for next year.

 

Other option should be Kuwait if middle east as the UAE already a GP and has a wonderful track.

[William Hunt]

Germany should always be on the calendar: so should countries like France, Italy, UK, Belgium, Japan, Spain. Europe is where the heimat of the sport is.

[TheFish]

Hockenheim or Portimao would both be great. Given we have plenty of circuits not being used, a 2nd race in Singapore would be terrible. Same last year, we had 2 races in Austria and none in Germany. Mugello would also be a good option for this year if Hockenheim and Portimao can't be used.

[RA2]

Germany should always be on the calendar: so should countries like France, Italy, UK, Belgium, Japan, Spain. Europe is where the heimat of the sport is.

 

 

So you want free races and free tickets? Wish for it and you will end up with another IndyCar Series 

[PayasYouRace]

So you want free races and free tickets? Wish for it and you will end up with another IndyCar Series 

I wish people would stop saying “another Indycar Series” like it’s a bad thing.

[JimmyClark]

The powers that be are saying the middle Eastern venues are too hot in September - even though at night these would be cooler than Miami. But it seems this is off the agenda.

The most sensible option for me would be Sepang, but the Malaysians have zero interest in hosting.

So it seems 80% likely that it will be a Singapore double header, with day first and then night later.

[RA2]

I guess it is for the best. Singapore probably will not pay anything for the extra race. The TV revenue will remain un affected as there will be 23 races. 

 

F1 will probably loose hosting fee if they had not already collected from Russia like Haas. 

[Heyli]

The race slot is 25th September, Monza is on 11th. 

 

F1 has an option for 18th September only of Teams and TV stations agree.

 

For whatever reason F1 does not want to send the equipment from Monza/European base to where ever Europe or Middle east while this was originally scheduled for Sochi.

 

I guess going to Singapore is cheaper than doing an additional stopover in between

 

F1 should consider Germany as the way things are going Mick and Sabastian may not be around for next year.

 

Other option should be Kuwait if middle east as the UAE already a GP and has a wonderful track.

The 18th would be the fourth GP weekend in a row then after the Benelux Countries & Monza? 

[statman]

[Joe Saward] One idea that is kicking around is a race in Colombia with a very solid project under development in the city of Barranquilla. The word is that this is funded with private money. I heard in Miami that this would be called the Caribbean Grand Prix.

[KWSN - DSM]

[Joe Saward] One idea that is kicking around is a race in Colombia with a very solid project under development in the city of Barranquilla. The word is that this is funded with private money. I heard in Miami that this would be called the Caribbean Grand Prix.

 

Much as I have defended Saward, that one is less likely to happen than The Grand Prix of Gibraltar.

[RA2]

Much as I have defended Saward, that one is less likely to happen than The Grand Prix of Gibraltar.

 

He is mentioning what was being discussed, which group visited the GP, Why they visited etc.

 

He is not the one who is going to evaluate the races that will be considered for the calendar. 

 

You sound as if you don't want him to report these stories or you are offended to hear of the a GP (The prestigious european sport) even being considered by those people.. 

Edited by RA2, 11 May 2022 - 09:11.

[JimmyClark]

I've heard the Barranquilla rumour a few times now. No smoke without fire and all that...

 

But so many solid ideas never come to fruition, mainly when the question of funding comes along. And some even have the circuit built and then they don't happen (Vietnam), so there's a long way to go yet. 

 

But if that race happens, I'll be on the first plane there! 

 

This is apparently a leaked layout, but I don't know the veracity. 

 

 

https://www.reddit.c...layout_text_in/

Edited by JimmyClark, 11 May 2022 - 09:37.

[KWSN - DSM]

He is mentioning what was being discussed, which group visited the GP, Why they visited etc.

 

He is not the one who is going to evaluate the races that will be considered for the calendar. 

 

You sound as if you don't want him to report these stories or you are offended to hear of the a GP (The prestigious european sport) even being considered by those people.. 

 

I DO want him to report these stories, I simple state my view that I have doubts it will ever come to pass.

[LegendInTheMaking]

[Joe Saward] One idea that is kicking around is a race in Colombia with a very solid project under development in the city of Barranquilla. The word is that this is funded with private money. I heard in Miami that this would be called the Caribbean Grand Prix.

Given the 'reliability' of Sawards scoops, I'd say he heard a story about some wealthy Colombian coming to the US and used his own imagination to fabricate a story from this. 

[BRG]

Maybe Joe's just a fan of Shakira - she's from Barranquilla.

[azza200]

and the white lines around the track will be a different type of white line 

[BRG]

White Lines?  Don't do it!  

[loki]

[loki]

So you want free races and free tickets? Wish for it and you will end up with another IndyCar Series 

You mean like Indycar where more than a couple cars are capable of winning over a season?

[RA2]

You mean like Indycar where more than a couple cars are capable of winning over a season?

Quiet often that happens because of caution.
But if F1 was a spec series, it will still be dominated by few drivers as we see in junior series for the following reasons

1. F1 championship is so intense that is more about being in the right mind for the longest period of time, perhaps the whole year as the drivers are so close. We see large difference between team mates just because they are in different mindset for different races. 23 races will be a chellenge for the best of the best, that only a few will be running for the championship, but maybe a few more race winners.

2. There is still difference with the teams, some will always be better than others.

Edited by RA2, 13 May 2022 - 04:32.

[loki]

The F1 championship is about who can build the best car.  Nothing wrong with that as I appreciate the technology.  However it’s not primarily a race craft competition between drivers.

[Nathan]

I love to see a Sepang one off..

[LolaB0860]

The F1 championship is about who can build the best car. Nothing wrong with that as I appreciate the technology. However it’s not primarily a race craft competition between drivers.

This. And that is how it should be.

Although Liberty and Netflix seem to think the drivers/personalities are the only thing that matrer.

[Ben1445]

This. And that is how it should be.

Although Liberty and Netflix seem to think the drivers/personalities are the only thing that matrer.

On the other hand it's arguably the marketing of the personalities and the Netflix series which has been pivotal in fuelling new interest in sport and guaranteeing the commercial basis for the teams to be able to spend enough to support such an advanced, constructor-based open competition. 

 

I would suggest that they're unavoidably interconnected, and that F1/Liberty are wise to that. 

[Anja]

This. And that is how it should be.

Although Liberty and Netflix seem to think the drivers/personalities are the only thing that matrer.

 

It's always been a paradox of sorts. Everyone knows F1 is about cars but throughout its history all the biggest stories are those of the drivers, not the cars or engineers. It's natural that this is what we're drawn to most easily but it makes for a pretty weird sport when you think about it. 

[pdac]

It's always been a paradox of sorts. Everyone knows F1 is about cars but throughout its history all the biggest stories are those of the drivers, not the cars or engineers. It's natural that this is what we're drawn to most easily but it makes for a pretty weird sport when you think about it. 

 

Indeed. The competition is about designing and building the best car. But that's not very marketable. However, the way of judging who has created the best car - racing them - is. But people relate much more to other people than to machines, so the drivers become the focus.

 

Ideally, the "show" would see the drivers of the same team challenging each other for the wins. But, for a number of reasons, this is not a what teams like to happen - and we end up with a situation where we need two (or more) different teams being able to challenge for the win.

Edited by pdac, 13 May 2022 - 11:29.

[William Hunt]

That Baranquilla track looks cool though. For me personally I just would like to see them race on great race tracks which is why I like the Jeddah track. I don't find Yas Marina or the Miami circuit particularly interesting as race circuit and they give an artificial feeling.

The best circuits imho are still the ones in a natural environment like Suzuka, Mugello or Spa. Portimao as well with those lovely hills.

[Heyli]

"Only" 22 races this year.

 

https://www.skysport...endar-confirmed

[LolaB0860]

Good.

I still dream of 16 GP calendar.

[PayasYouRace]

We’re a long way from the days when a Brands Hatch, Nurburgring, Donington Park or Jerez had to fill in at short notice to bring the season up to 16 races. I don’t think anyone’s really going to mind having “only” 22 races this year.