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[eff1fan]

There was never any question that Verstappen would not be penalized for having obstructed Grojeans in qualifying today, regardless of the fact that in Austria Vettel was penalized three positions for the exact same.

Just as there was no question that Hamilton would not be penalized for his infraction at the German GP.

[cpbell]

It certainly seemed sufficiently obstructive to warrant a penalty.

[f1paul]

Should have been a 3 grid place penalty IMO.

 

Again, no consistency for something that actually affected the final result. Grosjean would probably have started 1 or 2 places higher in Q3.

[Ivanhoe]

There was never any question that Verstappen would not be penalized for having obstructed Grojeans in qualifying today, regardless of the fact that in Austria Vettel was penalized three positions for the exact same.
Just as there was no question that Hamilton would not be penalized for his infraction at the German GP.

Exact same, apart from the totally different conditions, Max could probably only see a bigspray of water in his mirrors. No penalty deserved.

[l2k2]

Exact same, apart from the totally different conditions, Max could probably only see a bigspray of water in his mirrors. No penalty deserved.

Team should have told him? Wasn't Vettel also saying that he did not see Sainz? It's not exactly straightforward to see a much faster car in time even in dry conditions. That is why you do not slow down considerably on the racing line unless you know there is no-one coming directly behind you. It is not exactly a surprise that there are several cars aiming for the line just before the chequered flag...

[RacingGreen]

Team should have told him? Wasn't Vettel also saying that he did not see Sainz? It's not exactly straightforward to see a much faster car in time even in dry conditions. That is why you do not slow down considerably on the racing line unless you know there is no-one coming directly behind you. It is not exactly a surprise that there are several cars aiming for the line just before the chequered flag...

 

No the team must allow him to drive alone and unaided - as it says in the rules.

[Marklar]

There was never any question that Verstappen would not be penalized for having obstructed Grojeans in qualifying today, regardless of the fact that in Austria Vettel was penalized three positions for the exact same.
Just as there was no question that Hamilton would not be penalized for his infraction at the German GP.

Vettel almost caused a crash, Verstappen hindered Grosjean a bit in very difficult conditions.

Dont claim something to be "exact same" when it clearly isnt.

[P123]

If the video posted in another topic was the incident in question then there was no blocking. Grosjean bailed all on his own. In fact I'd give him a penalty for wasting the stewards time. He took a dive; was more interested in pressing his radio button than keeping his foot planted.

[RPM40]

Ah is this the Verstappen controversy thread for the week?

 

It didn't seem that bad to me. He certainly slowed Grosjean a touch but i'd give it the benefit of the doubt.

[l2k2]

No the team must allow him to drive alone and unaided - as it says in the rules.

I assume this is your own interpretation of said rule; as, if I am not terribly mistaken they tell their drivers about cars about to lap too. (And usually, I'd assume based on Vettel's comments, they do indeed tell their driver if someone behind is on a hot lap and is approaching fast.)

[SonGoku]

If the video posted in another topic was the incident in question then there was no blocking. Grosjean bailed all on his own. In fact I'd give him a penalty for wasting the stewards time. He took a dive; was more interested in pressing his radio button than keeping his foot planted.

 

This starts to be the diving in football yes, I don't even try to complete my lap I will just blame the guy infront of me, complain and hope the stewards give him a penalty for it.

 Magnussen tried to do the same with Hamilton.

[baddog]

Exact same, apart from the totally different conditions, Max could probably only see a bigspray of water in his mirrors. No penalty deserved.

 

No he actively chose to slow down on the racing line in heavy rain to set his next lap up. This sort of thing has caused very big accidents in the past and must be penalised.

[PayasYouRace]

No the team must allow him to drive alone and unaided - as it says in the rules.

That’s not what that rule means, otherwise even pit boards and marshals’s flags would be against the rules. The rule refers to control of the car being away from the driver, either by automation or remote.

[Gareth]

Metres between Grosjean and Verstappen > metres between Sainz and Vettel.

Verstappen about to start a quick lap, Vettel heading to the pits.

Rain, bright sunshine.

Other than that, exactly the same.

[Wuzak]

Metres between Grosjean and Verstappen > metres between Sainz and Vettel.

Verstappen about to start a quick lap, Vettel heading to the pits.

Rain, bright sunshine.

Other than that, exactly the same.

 

You're right.

 

Grosjean had much less chance of judging how fast Verstappen was going and what he was doing.

 

An example of a faster car catching a car going much slower in the wet.

 

Edited by Wuzak, 29 July 2018 - 02:14.

[Gareth]

Here's an example of what actually happened:

 

Dont fully understand what you are writing but I have some streams to support your opinion that GRO wasn't blocked 

 

Onboard GRO https://streamable.com/fasgi

 

Onboard MAX https://streamable.com/qx7n6

[kapow]

Here's an example of what actually happened:

Is this the incident that people are talking about? It can't be, surely?????

[baddog]

Grosjean clearly slows down and seems to abandon the lap in favour of getting a gap for the next one when faced with the slow car in front. How does this video support the contrary view?

[Gareth]

Grosjean could have kept it going and finished that lap as a quick lap. So he wasn't blocked on that lap. Up to him whether he wanted to finish the lap he was on and be in tonnes of spray for his last one, or abandon it and have a gap for the last one.

Slowing to set up a new lap is very different to being slow and on the racing line on an in-lap. As the stewards decision notes, the rules refer to unnecessary blocking.

[goldenboy]

I didn't think it was very bad after seeing the video.

[Kalmake]

Grosjean was compromised. Verstappen was in the way. The ideal line is a bit different in rain conditions.

 

Verstappen didn't get penalized because he was slowing down to make a gap to Gasly and it was impossible to see Grosjean.

 

https://www.racefans...sjean-incident/