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[Risil]

It's the Hungarian Grand Prix tomorrow. Please use this thread to follow the fortunes of Pierre Gasly (starting 6th) and Brendon Hartley (starting 8th), and any other drivers, FIA officials, TV graphics and miscellaneous storylines that you find interesting.

 

The bravely-titled Accuweather says no rain on Sunday, but temperatures in the nineties Fahrenheit. So out of the braising pan, if you will, and into the fire.

 

Enjoy the race (thread)!

[NoForumForOldPole]

Over 30 deg Celsius for those of us who happened not to be blessed to be born in the Empire.

[Risil]

Fahrenheit is just better than Celsius. FIGHT ME.

[jonpollak]

Ditto.. EvenScott Dixon uses F

[NoForumForOldPole]

I am shy - don't want to fight on first page of race thread (but I think Celsius is more inclusive).

Edited by NoForumForOldPole, 28 July 2018 - 20:24.

[PiperPa42]

Fahrenheit is just better than Celsius. FIGHT ME.

We don’t have to, you decided to leave all by yourselves
Hopefully it’ll be race with lots of overtaking, and a Hamilton win.

[ferenc_k]

How about 130F ? 

[Atreiu]

Mercedes need a small miracle and both drivers to get great starts. Then Hamilton, or Bottas, needs to ride a perfectly measured race in which he goes fast enough to hold the lead and slow enough to create traffic and avoid undercuts.

Ferrari still are by far the outright favourite.

[TomNokoe]

Oh who knows what's going to happen!

It surely can't be a one stop, track temp is going to be exceeding 55°C. Mediums will be dog slow over a stint.

Green track, too.

S-S-M ?

Hopefully we see Hamilton in clean air from the front. His race pace has been stunning recently. He can definitely take it to the Ferraris.

Hopefully Kimi beats Vettel to tighten things up in the WDC.

Edited by TomNokoe, 28 July 2018 - 20:33.

[sportyskells]

And because Q2 was wet everyone can choice their tyre so can i a reminder of who got what left on the dry tyre please

[jonpollak]

I understand C.. 0 freezing and 100 boiling but I still think in yards,miles and Fahrenheit !!

[Atreiu]

Celcius is better in all aspects, but living in the US for so long jas taught me to enjoy Faranheit more.

[Hellenic tifosi]

Probably all top drivers have two sets of fresh softs and another two of fresh Ultrasofts. Ferrari would hope that the tyre wear is massive on Sunday so as to get two potential passing attempts at the pit stops.

[TomNokoe]

And because Q2 was wet everyone can choice their tyre so can i a reminder of who got what left on the dry tyre please

Hamilton, Bottas, Kimi, Vettel (new tyres)

1x M | 2x S | 3x US


All but Vettel have a 'new' US that was used for a damp outlap in Q2, so it's basically new.

Verstappen has only 1 new Soft but 4x US.

Edited by TomNokoe, 28 July 2018 - 20:39.

[beachdrifter]

Probably all top drivers have two sets of fresh softs and another two of fresh Ultrasofts. Ferrari would hope that the tyre wear is massive on Sunday so as to get two potential passing attempts at the pit stops.

 

They would simply overtake them on the straights if Mercs tyres overheat again like they did on Friday. 

[Risil]

Celcius is better in all aspects, but living in the US for so long jas taught me to enjoy Faranheit more.

 

It's the humanity of Fahrenheit that I like. 0 degrees: too cold for humans; 100 degrees: too hot for humans.

[TomNokoe]

Pirelli are saying the quickest strategy is:

US (22)
M to the flag

But this looks garbage to me. Worn mediums will be so slow.

[Hellenic tifosi]

Overtaking in Hungary is impossible unless your speed advantage is massive.

Strategically it should be a very interesting race, and if Mercedes manages to retain their 1-2 after the first corner they should exploit the track characteristics for their advantage. I doubt that Ferrari would want to start on the US and risk everything at the first corner - if this doesn’t succeed then their race is pretty much done.

[Hellenic tifosi]

Pirelli are saying the quickest strategy is:

US (22)
M to the flag

But this looks garbage to me. Worn mediums will be so slow.

Pirelli’s strategy predictions tend to never materialize.

[Jvr]

It's the humanity of Fahrenheit that I like. 0 degrees: too cold for humans; 100 degrees: too hot for humans.

That is the first good explanation I have heard for using Fahrenheits.

 

I still use the old "double it and add thirty" or "reduce thirty and divide by two" to get any idea what the Fahrenheits mean.

[MortenF1]

Provided Hamilton and Bottas are 1-2 at the end of lap one, it might be tempting to run the race a bit like at Monaco. If say Verstappen has gotten onto one of the Ferraris, they will face the risk of being undercut.

[messy]

What F1 needs is a Brazil 2003 style shock, a series of circumstances combining to cause an afternoon of absolute madness culminating in Brendon Hartley jumping up and down on top of his Toro Rosso celebrating his first GP win under black thunder clouds.

What it doesn't need is what happened in the last race where team orders taint an admittedly impressive recovery drive and the usual suspects actually come out even further ahead when a curveball gets thrown into the mix.

[jesee]

I think with extreme temperature spredicted tomorrow, it will be miracle if mercedes win this race. My money is on Vettel. That car is currently a rocketship in the dry and very kind on its tyres.

[Planetdune]

I thought the UK went with the metric system a long time ago? Or didn't they? I live in Europe so I am used to Celsius, meters and kilo's... but looking at these posts I start to believe the UK actually still use Fahrenheit officially?

[beachdrifter]

I think with extreme temperature spredicted tomorrow, it will be miracle if mercedes win this race. My money is on Vettel. That car is currently a rocketship in the dry and very kind on its tyres.

 

Pretty much so. 

[Risil]

I thought the UK went with the metric system a long time ago? Or didn't they? I live in Europe so I am used to Celsius, meters and kilo's... but looking at these posts I start to believe the UK actually still use Fahrenheit officially?

 

The UK uses Celsius officially but Fahrenheit is often used informally or conversationally. News reports always used to quote temperatures in both but I think that practice may be fading now. Or should that be for now.

[TomNokoe]

I think with extreme temperature spredicted tomorrow, it will be miracle if mercedes win this race. My money is on Vettel. That car is currently a rocketship in the dry and very kind on its tyres.

If Merc start on Softs and emerge from T1 1-2, I really don’t see how Ferrari can come back. Let’s remember Hamilton’s mercurial race speed in Silverstone and Hockenheim.

[f1paul]

Plus, Merc have been able to match Ferrari's race pace this season.

 

It will all be about track position and the start. 

 

If Merc lead 1-2 they can control the race and probably even do a one stopper by coasting around on soft tyres and then switching to mediums. If you're behind, you'll just burn up your tyres.

[garoidb]

I thought the UK went with the metric system a long time ago? Or didn't they? I live in Europe so I am used to Celsius, meters and kilo's... but looking at these posts I start to believe the UK actually still use Fahrenheit officially?

 

They have partially adopted the metric and SI systems. Speed limits are shown in miles per hour, for example, but the currency is decimalised. I don't know if fuel is sold in litres or gallons. 

[Massa_f1]

If Merc are 1-2 into turn 1 that's race over. Remember the old saying Monaco without the barriers 

[Fatgadget]

Fahrenheit is just better than Celsius. FIGHT ME.

Fahrenheit 451 - Yay!

[xtremeclock]

If Merc start on Softs and emerge from T1 1-2, I really don’t see how Ferrari can come back. Let’s remember Hamilton’s mercurial race speed in Silverstone and Hockenheim.

 

If Merc start on Softs , Ferrari will go US, i can't really see them keeping P1-P2, the starts has been always good and if you add the massive grip advantage...

 

They'll hide from each other right until the end, you don't want to show your start tyre.

 

And then there is the reliability...32°+ of ambient temp, 55°+ of track temp....

[beachdrifter]

If Merc lead 1-2 they can control the race and probably even do a one stopper by coasting around on soft tyres and then switching to mediums. If you're behind, you'll just burn up your tyres.

 

 

Lewis: 

 

The softs were actually, I think, a better tyre for us. If anything we weren’t as good as they were on the ultra. But there’s a difference between the two tyres, particularly for that long straight, so I think it’s highly unlikely we’re going to sacrifice keeping our positions at the start – but again, I don’t know what the team are going to decide but I imagine we are going to start on the ultra, even with the choice.

 

[FLB]

Yeah, but Celsius is easier to use in a program! 

 

(Actually, there was a part of me in another life that wished for everything to be in Kelvins...)

Edited by FLB, 28 July 2018 - 21:38.

[apoka]

I think with extreme temperature spredicted tomorrow, it will be miracle if mercedes win this race. My money is on Vettel. That car is currently a rocketship in the dry and very kind on its tyres.

 

We'll see whether Ferrari is also faster in the race, but in any case it's not a time trial. You need a very considerable advantage to overtake and if it stay a Merc 1-2 at the start, it will be difficult to fight for the race win for Ferrari.

 

Does the undercut generally work well at this track?

[sportyskells]

and also do not forgot there might be a visit from the safety car

[FLB]

and also do not forgot there might be a visit from the safety car

Well, Hungary in the dry is usually not too bad. A couple of broken wings, but not much more. Maybe a few Verstappen-Raïkkönen unpleasanteries.

[beachdrifter]

Well, Hungary in the dry is usually not too bad. A couple of broken wings, but not much more. Maybe a few Verstappen-Raïkkönen unpleasanteries.

 

Max is too far back, Kimi's car too quick. But the pattern lately has been a Ferrari taking out the closest Mercedes, taking a small penalty and still finishing ahead of said Mercedes. 

[sopa]

I think with extreme temperature spredicted tomorrow, it will be miracle if mercedes win this race. 

 

Hasn't Mercedes tyre wear been often a bit better this season? Which means 'extreme temperatures' should suit them.

 

Then again I don't know, each circuit is different. And Hamilton unexpectedly struggled in Austria.

[SenorSjon]

I'm just glad the tire tactic is open now, as it should be.

[xtremeclock]

Latest weather update, scorching hot.

(race start @ 15:10, local time)

 

https://www.metoffic...date=2018-07-29

 

Edited by xtremeclock, 28 July 2018 - 22:16.

[NoForumForOldPole]

I would love to see Ferrari bringing it home tomorrow for Sergio Marchionne. Jumping Bottas at the start will be crucial. If Mercedes stays 1-2 after first lap, Lewis will just disappear into the distance and control the race while Ferraris get stuck behind #77. 

Edited by NoForumForOldPole, 28 July 2018 - 22:18.

[HP]

Disaster and 100 page discussion about controversy on lap 1 upcoming?

 

Yeah, but Celsius is easier to use in a program! 

 

(Actually, there was a part of me in another life that wished for everything to be in Kelvins...)

Pew. I was just starting to think nobody here ever heard about Kelvin.

 

As to ° vs F. -40 is the (smarta**) answer.

 

I am used to Celsius though, but it really doesn't matter as even a modern browser on a desktop PC (smartphones are not that smart apparently) using a decent search engine understands a question like 100F = °?   or 40° = F? in the search bar. Usually they display the correct answer before spewing out tons of links to translation utilities.

[BuddyHolly]

I have never liked going into the break after Hungaboring, I think it's a terribly boring track to break on.   (although that said, to then have Spa and Monza is a treat)

 

For me it's a Lewis win, Seb 2nd and Kimi 3rd.  I'm thinking Seb will jump Bottas at the start and then it's 70 odd laps of 'monaco without the barriers'.

Edited by BuddyHolly, 28 July 2018 - 22:30.

[dgsg]

I understand C.. 0 freezing and 100 boiling but I still think in yards,miles and Fahrenheit !!

So did JPL in Pasadena after they crashed a lander in to Mars because of a missed conversion of metric to inch. They put posters up that said "think metric"; they measured 24" x 26"!

[Marklar]

I totally forgot that winning this race has been a curse since 2004 in regards to the champioship. Let's have a Fin win this one then, we are in Hungary after all

[TomNokoe]

And probably even do a one stopper by coasting around on soft tyres and then switching to mediums. If you're behind, you'll just burn up your tyres.

I really think a one stop is out of the equation

[sportyskells]

and by the looks of the GP3 twitter account there blue sky at the moment

[Hellenic tifosi]

can see Ferrari starting on the softs. The ultras could offer extra grip, but after t1 there is no overtaking spot, so it could be a huge risk.

[Niceone]

US+S will be the fastest strategy