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#1 proviz

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 07:28

Delivery terms for Autosport's non-UK subscribers have deteriorated beyond belief. I just got a reply (after four days of waiting) to my e-mail about a recent missing issue, and it said this: "Please note you must ensure you are allowing up to 21 days from the UK on sale date for delivery to Europe." And also this: "...please allow up to 28 days for it (replacement issue) to arrive".

So if an issue goes missing - a frequent occurrence in the past 18 months or so - it may take up to 49 days before you get the replacement! That is far, far longer than it ever took in the days we stuck a letter in an envelope and took it to a mailbox...

This is simply outrageous. I know there are not many of us European subscribers left, but apparently the publisher wants to get rid of us all a.s.a.p.

 



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#2 Stephen W

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 08:29

Given the lack of reporting on grass routes motorsport in both Autosport & Motorsport News I no longer purchase either. As the decline in coverage has slowly seen less and less coverage so the number of copies sold in the UK has declined. 

 

I do not see "the decline of Autosport" per se but I do see the cessation of the printed version within the next 12 months. After all we all have laptops, tablets and/or smart phones? (NB for information I have none of these useless and expensive devices.)



#3 F1matt

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 10:20

Back in the day I bought Autosport on a weekly basis and my Father bought Motorsport, it worked perfectly for both of us, we had the latest results from F1 to Indycar down to club events and national rallying long before the internet and the latest goings on and then Motorsport for the more in depth stuff. I haven't bought Autosport for several years but I took over the Motorsport subscription when my Father died, my Son who loves the sport as much as I do gets the results on his phone when the winning car crosses the line, he has this for WEC, F1, BTCC, WRC, and IndyCar as well as F2, F3, and GP3 so I get the results in general conversation with him so there is no need to purchase Autosport.

 

There has to be an argument for a magazine to cover national racing and rallying as well as Historic series who don't have the resources to have full time social media and app developers. 



#4 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 10:25

Anything in the world being send via regular surface mail is much, much slower than it used to be, this one you can not blame Autosport for, talk to Royal Mail and the Postal service in which ever country you live in.

 

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#5 Vitesse2

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 10:58

Anything in the world being send via regular surface mail is much, much slower than it used to be, this one you can not blame Autosport for, talk to Royal Mail and the Postal service in which ever country you live in.

 

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I think it's probably a case of it being an 'all-purpose one size fits all answer'. Within Europe, some postal services are without doubt less efficient than others, especially outside the big cities. I'm looking at you, Poste Italiane, Ukrposhta, ELTA ...

 

Equally I've known items sent economy from the UK to rural Western Australia or Tasmania arrive in a week while one to Sydney took a month!



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Posted 03 December 2018 - 11:31


There has to be an argument for a magazine to cover national racing and rallying as well as Historic series who don't have the resources to have full time social media and app developers. 

 

 

 

 

I deprecate Autosport's decline to an F1 fanzine but it only reflects the market . If you want results, they are available in staggering detail (look at HSCC race results as an example ). But very few attend live motorsport now - most prefer to watch the pap on TV  . Rallying is virtually dead as a spectator sport- last one I attended cost me £10 to be kettled  in tiny area  by jobsworths who looked after my safety as cars went by at speeds of up to..crikey ....up to 40mph ?   

 

I've been doing colour reporting (if that is the term ?) for CSCC website on their meetings this year where I concentrate on the cars and the people   - that seems to be a model people like. 



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Posted 03 December 2018 - 12:32

Back in the day I bought Autosport on a weekly basis and my Father bought Motorsport, it worked perfectly for both of us, we had the latest results from F1 to Indycar down to club events and national rallying long before the internet and the latest goings on and then Motorsport for the more in depth stuff. I haven't bought Autosport for several years but I took over the Motorsport subscription when my Father died, my Son who loves the sport as much as I do gets the results on his phone when the winning car crosses the line, he has this for WEC, F1, BTCC, WRC, and IndyCar as well as F2, F3, and GP3 so I get the results in general conversation with him so there is no need to purchase Autosport.

 

There has to be an argument for a magazine to cover national racing and rallying as well as Historic series who don't have the resources to have full time social media and app developers. 

In respect of your last sentence Matt -

 

"There has to be an argument for a magazine to cover national racing and rallying as well as Historic series who don't have the resources to have full time social media and app developers."

 

I'm not sure there is an adequate market for such a magazine . How many people now follow the sport from national level downwards. Probably not that many going by the attendance at events. When I started watching car racing in the 1960s, and on into the 70s, humble club meetings across the country could still attract several thousand spectators. These were the people who bought Autosport and Motoring News with both publications giving good coverage of the sport at grass roots level. However, sadly, I don't think that audience is there any more.



#8 JHSingo

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 13:35

I've been an avid reader of Autosport for over 10 years, but feel that they really need to change things a bit. I used to buy the magazine nearly every week - now it's only once or twice a month. I feel that, for the price, it doesn't offer great value, there's not an awful lot of content for what you're paying for.

 

I think they need to change to being a fortnightly or monthly publication. I'm not that bothered about reading race reports - you can get results instantly at a weekend on the internet anyway. I'd like to see more in depth features - make it similar to RACER magazine over in the States that I've heard good things about.

 

No doubt there would be difficulties in switching from being a weekly magazine, but ultimately I feel it would be the change that could ultimately benefit Autosport. Rather than just tinkering around the edges as they have done in recent years, it needs something different.


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#9 RA Historian

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 15:28

I do see the cessation of the printed version within the next 12 months. After all we all have laptops, tablets and/or smart phones? (NB for information I have none of these useless and expensive devices.)

Sadly, you may be right. I am one of the few people on earth who does not have a tablet or smart phone. Don't care for them. I abhor reading on line, simply hate having to scroll back and forth, up and down, etc., plus have nothing to hold in  the hand, flip pages back and forth, and store on a shelf for future reference. As a result, I have stopped reading some mags to which I had subscribed for years when they ditched print for on line only. 



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Posted 03 December 2018 - 20:14

I think it's probably a case of it being an 'all-purpose one size fits all answer'. Within Europe, some postal services are without doubt less efficient than others, especially outside the big cities. I'm looking at you, Poste Italiane, Ukrposhta, ELTA ...

 

Equally I've known items sent economy from the UK to rural Western Australia or Tasmania arrive in a week while one to Sydney took a month!

 

I do not live in Denmark anymore, however Royal Danish Mail was sold of to some Swedish enterprise - When I was young mail was delivered twice daily in the big cities, when I was a trainee in 1985 every single document dropped at the post office by 06:00PM - Would be delivered next day between 08:00 and 10:30AM any place in Denmark - They had class A and Class B mail, now there is no Class A, only Class B with an expected delivery time of 7 days - There are no longer post offices in Denmark, it is handled from the Supermarkets.

 

So... what worked for +300 years do not work anymore, including delivery of printed Autosport.

 

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#11 YoungGun

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 23:35

Sometimes it takes people that long to reply to a PM.  It does get confusing at times.   :cool:



#12 Bob Riebe

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 00:56

Sadly, you may be right. I am one of the few people on earth who does not have a tablet or smart phone. Don't care for them. I abhor reading on line, simply hate having to scroll back and forth, up and down, etc., plus have nothing to hold in  the hand, flip pages back and forth, and store on a shelf for future reference. As a result, I have stopped reading some mags to which I had subscribed for years when they ditched print for on line only. 

It is getting very , very sad.

Engine Masters was an engine building competition partly put on by and covered by Popular Hotrodding.

Peterson bough PHR and killed it then coverage was in both Engine Masters magazine and Hot Rod.

Engine Masters magazine is gone and now the even is no longer covered by Hot Rod magazine.

There are very few magazine I now subscribe to and even fewer in a mag. rack worth the time to check out.

I do not use a computer other than for forums and as a large card catalog.

Sadly it is not getting any better.

 

On a matter related in a generic sense:

There is now only one camera magazine , consumer type, printed in the U.S. now where there once was many,   yet the magazine racks here are loaded down with those from the U.K. .

Things get curiouser and curiouser.



#13 Stephen W

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 08:39

 

 

There has to be an argument for a magazine to cover national racing and rallying as well as Historic series who don't have the resources to have full time social media and app developers. 

 

 

 

I'm not sure there is an adequate market for such a magazine . How many people now follow the sport from national level downwards. Probably not that many going by the attendance at events. When I started watching car racing in the 1960s, and on into the 70s, humble club meetings across the country could still attract several thousand spectators. These were the people who bought Autosport and Motoring News with both publications giving good coverage of the sport at grass roots level. However, sadly, I don't think that audience is there any more.

 

Currently in the UK there are 4000 plus people with competition licenses that only allow them to compete in Speed Events, Trials, Autotests etc. If you throw in Rallying then the figures will probably exceed 10,000.

 

You cannot judge the support for grass roots motorsport by "How many people now follow the sport from national level downwards. Probably not that many going by the attendance at events." Having said that interest is definitely regional. Very few people in Scotland would be interested in a sprint, hillclimb or rally in Cornwall or vice versa. The days when lots of "stringers" would submit reports to Autosport &/or Motoring News is long gone. Also getting people to report on events isn't easy to do, I know because I tried! 

 

​Despite the massive amount of interest there wouldn't be enough revenue generated to pay for the thing let alone make a profit!

 

​The Internet isn't all bad however, it, along with the accountants, has driven the final nail into the coffin of the printed word as far as motorsport is concerned.

 

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#14 Sterzo

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 14:29

Have I missed something?

 

I realise the Opening Post is about the delivery service, but others have written as though Autosport doesn't cover club racing. Have pulled September 6th's Autosport from the random pile in my reprehensibly untidy living room and found reports for:

 

Donington 750 Motor Club

BARC Anglesey

MSVR Snetterton

MGCC Oulton Park

BRSCC Mallory Park

Caterhams at Thruxton



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Posted 04 December 2018 - 18:28

Have I missed something?

 

I realise the Opening Post is about the delivery service, but others have written as though Autosport doesn't cover club racing. Have pulled September 6th's Autosport from the random pile in my reprehensibly untidy living room and found reports for:

 

Donington 750 Motor Club

BARC Anglesey

MSVR Snetterton

MGCC Oulton Park

BRSCC Mallory Park

Caterhams at Thruxton

True, but the National and Club pages were more comprehensive in the past.  I also miss Marcus Pye's column - has he left the magazine altogether?



#16 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 18:48

Have I missed something?

 

I realise the Opening Post is about the delivery service, but others have written as though Autosport doesn't cover club racing. Have pulled September 6th's Autosport from the random pile in my reprehensibly untidy living room and found reports for:

 

Donington 750 Motor Club

BARC Anglesey

MSVR Snetterton

MGCC Oulton Park

BRSCC Mallory Park

Caterhams at Thruxton

 

Can I find those as part of my online subscribtion, tried losely just now and got nowhere, which is not any kind of proof they are not there - I would LOVE to read those stories, back in the past almost 20 years worth of printed subscription was amust read for me.

 

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#17 Zmeej

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 21:12

As José Jimenez sez:
Oh I hope not.

#18 dwh43scale

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 21:38

Delivery terms for Autosport's non-UK subscribers have deteriorated beyond belief. I just got a reply (after four days of waiting) to my e-mail about a recent missing issue, and it said this: "Please note you must ensure you are allowing up to 21 days from the UK on sale date for delivery to Europe." And also this: "...please allow up to 28 days for it (replacement issue) to arrive".

So if an issue goes missing - a frequent occurrence in the past 18 months or so - it may take up to 49 days before you get the replacement! That is far, far longer than it ever took in the days we stuck a letter in an envelope and took it to a mailbox...

This is simply outrageous. I know there are not many of us European subscribers left, but apparently the publisher wants to get rid of us all a.s.a.p.

 

Have you explored Readly on iPad or other tablet ? A very wide range of publicaitons available.

 

Yes, it's not paper, but one bonus is that the quality is much better for sister publication Motorsport News.



#19 Sterzo

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 22:00

Can I find those as part of my online subscribtion, tried losely just now and got nowhere, which is not any kind of proof they are not there - I would LOVE to read those stories, back in the past almost 20 years worth of printed subscription was amust read for me.

 

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No, I don't think those stories are online, which is odd really. You'd think the minority-interest items like club racing would be best catered for online. It's just possible they do go on the website, but are removed after a week, in which case we wouldn't find them now. My favourite Autosport headline was from a club report in the sixties (before the concept of clickbait), and read something like: "Dull racing at wet Snetterton."



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#20 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 05 December 2018 - 23:03

No, I don't think those stories are online, which is odd really. You'd think the minority-interest items like club racing would be best catered for online. It's just possible they do go on the website, but are removed after a week, in which case we wouldn't find them now. My favourite Autosport headline was from a club report in the sixties (before the concept of clickbait), and read something like: "Dull racing at wet Snetterton."

 

Sad... yet another example of development, new and better often do not mean development nor new and better.

 

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