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[Danyy]

Yes yes yes yes!! Amazing result for the first race, great drive Max and big well done to Honda awesome job and happy they got their first podium in the first race

[PassWind]

Well done Redbull, sneaky bastards that car does have some pace, and it now can pull the top off of a custard tart since they dumped the Renault boat anchor. 

[Requiem84]

If I hadn't gotten up so early, I would now read back the topic to quote some Honda hating posts (They'll be in midfield! It will blow! They should have stayed with Renault! etc).

[Maxioos]

I said it from mid last season, from race one they will be in the WDC/WCC fight. Well, with a podium, they do!!! Not, after Spain, in 2020, etc. no, they will work and act (and hopefully) perform as a WDC challenging team, each GP weekend.

 

This was worth for getting up earlier!!

[renzmann]

this was very satisfying:

 - a podium on merit in australia = rb has race pace

 - honda was fast and reliable = nobody would have guessed such a huge step forward pu-wise was even possible. i sure didn't. fantastic job.

 - mature drive by verstappen; still he shows aggression when he must = very good race by max

 - bottas winning the race = a fast merc will not automatically mean 25 points for lewis.

 

too early days to say he's a serious competitor, but max will have a say in the championship. nice. beating vettel will be a tough job though. leclerc is officially ferrari's no. 2. the guy drives behind a car that is a second a lap slower for 15 laps and doesn't even complain... don't see pierre doing that.

 

anyway: now rb can do what rb can do best which is to deliver a spectacular chassis. the pu is good enough, but the mercs seem to have a downforce advantage. go adrian!

 

 

 

oh... also, i'm a simple man. i see a renault engine blow up and the renault team ****ing up, i smile.

[McLobby]

Welldone for your first podium as RedBull Honda... Great pace, and you and you easily had the Ferraris... Mercedes are obviously (and unfortunately) out of reach, in the end Hamilton had enough pace to defend and control Verstappen.

[Lights]

Great performance from the entire team to get that podium today.

 

The best bit was the Honda powering by the Ferrari on that little straight.

 

"GP2 engine" is officially a dead meme. 

[Sunnny]

Lots of people eating their words saying RB will be nowhere with Honda PU. 

[geralt]

Honestly,considering how well Red Bull improves the car every year, I could actually see them being title contenders with Max. Just incredible from both Red Bull and Honda

[Prelude]

Enjoyable race finally. Good race pace. This will finally shut up those who keep saying Honda is **** over a race distance.

[f1rules]

Great work redbull honda!!, verstappen can be a contender this year i think

[renzmann]

marko interview on german television: pierre's overtake button didn't react.

 

you have to feel sorry for pierre. hope he will forget this weekend quickly.

[Radion]

Veeeery happy for Honda! They will get their first win this year surly (finally at Mexico probably).

[Viryfan]

That's a shame for gasly.
His week-end was blown by strategy blunder and power unit misfunction.

[V8 Fireworks]

Veeeery happy for Honda! They will get their first win this year surly (finally at Mexico probably).

 

Honda: Now we can fight. 

 

Thanks to Red Bull super chassis. 

 

 

 

That's a shame for gasly.
His week-end was blown by strategy blunder and power unit misfunction.

 

That's motor racing. 

 

Edited by V8 Fireworks, 17 March 2019 - 07:30.

[Viryfan]

Of course it is but people are judging gasly without knowing the faits.

[Talisman]

Gasly needs to be cut some slack. Melbourne isn’t great for overtaking anyway. I was surprised though the Tost wasn’t told to get him out of the way. Still a point for STR is important.

Also the STR had great straight line speed too, better than the RBR.

If Gasly has problems overtaking on other tracks then there will be a problem.

Edited by Talisman, 17 March 2019 - 07:40.

[boudstyle]

Very promising start of the season! Congrats to RB and Max Verstappen 

[born1983]

Happy with Max’s result. Still, the gap to Bottas worries me a bit...

[Ragnar668]

Good enough    

[Flamini]

Spectacular result. The thing is that Red Bull is not really that good at this track usually and they had setup problems too, so P3 in first race with new engine in these circumstances is really huge.

 

I can't wait for other races, this team will be only stronger and stronger with every month.

[as65p]

So I guess now is the time to say I'm really impressed with Hondas efforts. I admit I had doubts about them being able to maintain pace and power all race, but today the PU seemed genuinely pretty decent.

[Jbleroi]

This is a very promising start of the season..
That car looks good, a podium on own merrit in aussie..
Max will bring the fight to the mercs it is going to be a good season
Well done Honda poweeerrrrr

[AlexPrime]

Very good start from Red Bull, Max and of course, Honda. I think that you guys are the only chance for an interesting season, but we'll see.

[goldenboy]

Norris problaby already used a higher engine mode in Q2..

If you look at the available data, it looks like Renault and Honda are pretty much on par now, and likely not very far behind Ferrari and Mercedes anymore - in qualifying. I think RB would have performed more or less the same with an Renault PU in this year's chassis in terms of power. But with Honda they obviously made a great choice: 20 million cheaper, better integration in chassis, cooperation with Honda and less stress. So Honda and RB have reasons to be happy about their marriage. But Renault also can be proud of what they (finally) achieved with their PU.

The Honda has a big question mark regarding its capabilities in the race.

That's pretty much it.

[goldenboy]

Happy for Honda to get a podium.

Think people are a bit too harsh on gasly. I'm no fan, but I think he was just bringing it home after the testing crashes, qually cock up and the track characteristics.

Edited by goldenboy, 17 March 2019 - 10:29.

[Danyy]

Comparisons of engine packaging
https://f1i.auto-mot...rari-064-376910

[Ragnar668]

Happy for Honda to get a podium.

Think people are a bit too harsh on gasly. I'm no fan, but I think he was just bringing it home after the testing crashes, qually cock up and the track characteristics.

 

Agreed, could have been a bit more aggressive when he left the pits though. I know tires are cold and all but just felt a bit to easy

[statman]

Speeds/Sectors look pretty good, also for Toro Rosso

[Sunnny]

marko interview on german television: pierre's overtake button didn't react.

 

you have to feel sorry for pierre. hope he will forget this weekend quickly.

 

Okay this is news to me. Well in that respect understand for not attacking Kvyat. Looks like Gasly got DRs car luck  Long season ahead for Gasly.  

[Nemo1965]

Okay this is news to me. Well in that respect understand for not attacking Kvyat. Looks like Gasly got DRs car luck  Long season ahead for Gasly.  

 

Stil I thought... several times I think he could have placed the car on the inside... even if it was just to spook Kvyat. My impression was that Ghasly - after Barcelona - just did not want to crash. 

[gillesfan76]

Congrats to Red Bull, Honda and Max. What a performance!

[A3]

I realise most of them had plenty of DRS moments in the race, but it's good to see all Honda powered cars this high up in the speed traps.

[Requiem84]

Ferrari seemed to have an engine issue?

[Ragnar668]

Ferrari seemed to have an engine issue?

 

Heard something about a detuned engige because of an exhaust problem
which doesn't make sense because Vettel was asking a some point why they we're so slow I believe

[A3]

Heard something about a detuned engige because of an exhaust problem
which doesn't make sense because Vettel was asking a some point why they we're so slow I believe

Well, guess if the pit wall asks the driver to set the engine to a certain setting, the driver won't always know the effect. They certainly won't tell him over the radio.

[Zerobyte]

And the 3e place is not enough for Honda that is the spirit :

 

A good start! This was the first race of the season and our first with Aston Martin Red Bull Racing, so it was encouraging to finish third. It is the first time Honda has been on the podium since 2008 and the first time in this hybrid power era."

 

 

 

The game is on , it will be a very exciting WDC this year

Edited by Zerobyte, 17 March 2019 - 13:36.

[statman]

Ferrari seemed to have an engine issue?

 

Vettel was asked on German TV post-race and he said 'no'.

[Zerobyte]

At the Honda Welcome Plaza Aoyama they are more than happy

https://twitter.com/...042 

Edited by Zerobyte, 17 March 2019 - 15:36.

[hasika]

I dont want to find the excuse for galsy,but i agree with Hornor.KVYT's STR seems very quick in the race.

I think today his STR is much faster than what we saw in the qualifying.He was not in clean air and did not show the true pace,just like Gasly.

But lets see,he made a mistake when he attacked Stroll's car,then the gap was about 6s.Then he only uesd a few laps to make him behind Stroll again,his pace was strong.His fastest lap was 1:27.448,its 6th fastest,even faster than Ferrari.

Of course it can prove nothing,but i just think the STR is stronger than people thought this race.

Edited by hasika, 17 March 2019 - 15:22.

[ARTGP]

Say what you want about DRS, low downforce, etc but these Honda engines are the business. They are lights out in the speeds traps this weekend in every session.  For a Red Bull to be at the top of the speed charts is quite frankly unheard of in the entire history of F1

 

I really think Honda has passed Renault and is nipping at the heels of Ferrari and Merc. Agree that Ferrari clearly have had a power unit problem because no way they are slower than Renault. 

Edited by ARTGP, 17 March 2019 - 15:26.

[ARTGP]

I realise most of them had plenty of DRS moments in the race, but it's good to see all Honda powered cars this high up in the speed traps.
 

 

 

Yeah but if everyone had DRS, then that's already corrected for in the speed trap figures. It shows everyone's DRS,ERS assisted speeds. Shows Honda is punching above their weight.

Edited by ARTGP, 17 March 2019 - 15:28.

[Requiem84]

Time for some reflection!

 

No one I think expects RB to finish 3rd... sorry, the Honda pu will not be able to compete with Renault for most of the year if not the entire year.. plus, it will take time to integrate it into the chassis effectively. I can hear it already, due to the late decision we had to compromise in certain areas so we cant see the full potential until after summer break... then it will we won’t see a full Honda Redbull car until 2020

 

I think you already admitted you were wrong, kudos for being honest about it!

 

 

The harder Honda push to close that considerable gap to Mercedes/Ferrari, the more likely they are to have a spate of failures. Plus Honda haven't had sustained success in F1 for a long time, do we trust them? I don't.

Red Bull are rolling the dice big time. Make no mistake about that, Merc and Ferrari aren't sitting on their hands either.

 

 

Why is it rolling the dice?

Ha... because its Honda. Of course its rolling the dice, they've made this move to end up challenging for World Championships. A distant 3rd or, heaven forbid, lose ground from the Renault days, isn't part of the plan.

You lot are talking like its a foregone conclusion they will be better than 2018. This season can't come quick enough.

Keep this in mind too - Honda, apart from the odd season here and there, have generally been garbage since the first McLaren Honda era. You count the years.

Red Bull have very high expectations. Sink or swim.

 

I haven't seen you after this weekend, what are your thoughts now?

 

 

But only good strategy won China and Monaco was won because you can’t overtake. Also Austria was a bit lucky, Kimi was fouled by Max, plus SC. Furthermore, it seems the simplified aero rules for 2019 has closed the gaps up and placed MORE of a emphasis on engine performance than ever. The question is where are Red Bulls advantages going to come from now?

 

 

It will definitely be an advantage compared to midfield teams, but Ferrari and Mercedes as well? They would need God’s brakes as I can’t imagine those two teams being much inferior if at all.

 

 

But my view is more in line with reality sadly for you

 

So, is your view still more in line with reality than mine?

 

 

So is the engine still holding back the best chassis?

 

I think it's safe to say that engine and chassis are now equally complementary and that neither one is the best in F1, but both are getting closer . 

Edited by Requiem84, 17 March 2019 - 15:44.

[Nemo1965]

I realise most of them had plenty of DRS moments in the race, but it's good to see all Honda powered cars this high up in the speed traps.

 

 

 

That is quite something. Usually, the fastest cars through the speedtraps are those midfield cars who have the worst aero and have to make up for the corners. With Red Bull, that is clearly not the case. Reason for careful optimism.

[Ragnar668]

Time for some reflection!

 

 

Don't forget my personal favorite 

 

My friends you are in for a world of pain.

[Viryfan]

A thing to note.

 

This week-end, it was the first time Red Bull used the C4 tyres on the RB15.

 

In testing they did use only the C2,C3 and C5.

Edited by Viryfan, 17 March 2019 - 16:13.

[PedroDiCasttro]

I think it's quite clear after today's race that Honda is ahead of Renault.

[Jbleroi]

I have a very positive feeling after this race.. a podium here is not what was expected but must be a hughe motivator for the Factory people back in Milton Keynes and Tokyo and will have a positive effect on in season development..

[Ivanhoe]

Time for some reflection!



I think you already admitted you were wrong, kudos for being honest about it!
Better be cautious, this might come back to bite you at another weekend when a Honda goes boom and you’re in for a same treatment. Looking good for now, but we had just one race.







I haven't seen you after this weekend, what are your thoughts now?










So, is your view still more in line with reality than mine?




I think it's safe to say that engine and chassis are now equally complementary and that neither one is the best in F1, but both are getting closer .

Better be cautious, this might come back to bite you at another weekend when a Honda goes boom and you’re in for a same treatment. Looking good for now, but we had just one race.

Edited by Ivanhoe, 17 March 2019 - 17:50.

[Requiem84]

Better be cautious, this might come back to bite you at another weekend when a Honda goes boom and you’re in for a same treatment. Looking good for now, but we had just one race.

How would it bite me in the ass?

Many people made some very hard predictions, I have always been cautious regarding RB Honda. More cautious than Marco in any case :-).

I simply asked for a reflection from those who were quite sure RB Honda would be disastrous.