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#1 tyker

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 13:52

Once again I bring forward my qualifying averages for those of you that are interested in this kind of thing, my methodology is too use the fastest lap a driver achieves whether that be in Q1, Q2 or Q3, a driver may well out qualify his teammate but end up having achieved a slower lap so his teammate gets the benefit towards the average lap.

 

Laps are only used where drivers competed in the same qualifying sessions and only dry laps are used because wet laps are run in inconsistent conditions were much larger gaps in teammates are often seen and often an element of luck might be present as well.

 

It has to be seen that a driver has had a fair chance to set a competitive lap, free of mechanical issues, yellow flags etc, also a driver may simply not have set a competitive lap after running off the track or it could be a combination of all 3 things. Another thing I have to be sure of is that drivers are driving to their maximum ability and not just coasting through the qualifying sessions like we tend to see with the top teams until they reach Q3.

 

2019 (After 3 races)

 

01. Verstappen 0.47s

02. Sainz 0.34s*

03. Perez 0.23s

04. Kvyat 0.12s**

05. Raikkonen 0.07s

06. Hamilton 0.05s

07. Russell 0.03s*

08. Hulkenberg 0.013s**

09. Leclerc 0.008s

10. Grosjean 0.003s

 

*In Australia Norris needed 3 sets of soft tyres to get through Q1, Sainz just had 2 sets of soft runs, on his first run he was quicker on his second run he was impeded by Kubica's crash.

Kubica was over I second slower than Russell but it's looking like he had issues with his floor.

 

**In Bahrain Albon needed 3 runs to get out of Q1 as opposed to just 2 runs for Kvyat, Kvyat was quicker on his first 2 runs but then Albon went quickest on his third run. In Q2 Albon had 2 runs as opposed to just 1 run for Kvyat, Kvyat had an issue with his car preventing him from having a second run, again Kvyat was quicker after the first runs but Albon went quickest on his second run.

Hulkenburg's engine went into safe mode on both his runs in Q1 preventing him from going into Q2.


Edited by tyker, 13 April 2019 - 13:54.


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#2 coppilcus

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 15:49

Less time gap between drivers this year?!

#3 Anderis

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Posted 13 April 2019 - 16:22

Are you sure that the gap between Raikkonen and Giovinazzi is right? According to my quick estimation, it should be well over 0.1s. 



#4 tyker

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 20:19

Are you sure that the gap between Raikkonen and Giovinazzi is right? According to my quick estimation, it should be well over 0.1s. 

The lap times are only taken when the drivers have competed in the same qualifying sessions and then it's the fastest lap taken from whatever session in was done in, in Australia Giovinazzi did a faster lap in Q1 than he did in Q2, in Bahrain Giovinazzi only competed in Q1 so I don't use Kimi's laps from Q2 and Q3.



#5 tyker

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 20:20

Less time gap between drivers this year?!

Still early days though.



#6 Anderis

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 20:33

in Australia Giovinazzi did a faster lap in Q1 than he did in Q2

Right, I seem to have overlooked that.



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Posted 15 April 2019 - 20:45

Very interesting indeed. I am a bit surprised at how close the Bottas/Hamilton and Vettel/Leclerc pairings are. I figured they would be close, just not that close. Conversely, I am not surprised at the gap between Verstappen and Gasly, Perhaps that will narrow as the season progresses.



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Posted 16 April 2019 - 08:26

Less time gap between drivers this year?!

 

If you would measure gaps between Q1-Q3 (Gasly being a prime example), the gaps would be bigger. But the chosen method of using times in the same session is the best way of comparing similar circumstances.



#9 tyker

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Posted 27 April 2019 - 16:16

After Baku (Baku Difference)

 

01. Verstappen 0.47s (-)*

02. Ricciardo 0.3s (0.941s)

03. Sainz 0.274s (0.148s)

04. Perez 0.27s (0.381s)

05. Magnussen 0.25s (1.025s)

06. Russell 0.15s (0.393s)

07. Raikkonen 0.07s (0.071s)

08. Kvyat 0.03s (-0.067s)

09. Hamilton 0.02s (-0.059s)

10. Leclerc 0.01s (-)*

 

*Gasly didn't take part in Q2 because of his grid penalty.

 Leclerc crashed in Q2.



#10 tyker

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Posted 11 May 2019 - 14:43

After Barcelona (Barcelona Difference)

 

01. Verstappen 0.44s (0.351s)

02. Russell 0.41s (1.182s)

03. Perez 0.25s (0.185s)

04. Ricciardo 0.23s (0.019s)

05. Magnussen 0.2s (-0.011s)

06. Raikkonen 0.19s (0.532s)

07. Sainz 0.14s (-0.261s)

08. Bottas 0.1s (0.572s)

09. Kvyat 0.09s (0.202s)

10. Vettel 0.07s (0.316s)



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Posted 25 May 2019 - 15:13

After Monaco (Monaco Difference)

 

01. Verstappen 0.44s (0.423s)

02. Russell 0.38s (0.274s)

03. Perez 0.31s (0.613s)

04. Magnussen 0.25s (0.474s)

05. Ricciardo 0.21s (0.127s)

06. Raikkonen 0.15s (-0.017s)

07. Sainz 0.14s (0.116s)

08. Kvyat 0.1s (0.158s)

09. Vettel 0.07s (-)*

10. Bottas 0.06s (-0.086s)

 

*Leclerc wasn't sent out to do a second lap in Q1 which would probably have been quicker.



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Posted 08 June 2019 - 21:33

After Canada (Canada difference)

 

01. Russell 0.45s (0.776s)

02. Verstappen 0.44s (-)*

03. Perez 0.28s (0.069s)

04. Ricciardo 0.22s (0.253s)

05. Magnussen 0.21s (0.002s)

06. Vettel 0.19s (0.68s)

07. Sainz 0.14s (0.163s)

08. Raikkonen 0.104s (-0.108s)

09. Kvyat 0.103s (0.099s)

10. Hamilton 0.04s (0.649s)

 

*Verstappen was unable to set a soft tyre time in Q2.


Edited by tyker, 09 June 2019 - 14:23.


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Posted 09 June 2019 - 10:01

It's really sad to say, but I think Kubica needs to be replaced soon.  Not that it's gonna suddenly make Williams competitive, but getting somebody in now would hopefully give some useful preparation for next season where they'll have a chance to be more competitive again.  Kubica is obviously not gonna be a long term solution.  



#14 tyker

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 11:19

It's really sad to say, but I think Kubica needs to be replaced soon.  Not that it's gonna suddenly make Williams competitive, but getting somebody in now would hopefully give some useful preparation for next season where they'll have a chance to be more competitive again.  Kubica is obviously not gonna be a long term solution.  

I think they are possibly lining up Latifi for next season but presently he doesn't have enough super license points, as for Kubica he paid for the seat so I don't believe that Williams can merely sack him?



#15 tyker

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 15:38

After France (France difference)

 

01. Verstappen 0.49s (0.775s)

02. Russell 0.44s (0.416s)

03. Perez 0.34s (0.754s)

04. Magnussen 0.24s (0.46s)

05. Ricciardo 0.21s (0.175s)

06. Sainz 0.11s (-0.104s)

07. Vettel 0.072s (-0.541s)

08. Raikkonen 0.071s (-0.125s)

09. Hamilton 0.068s (0.286s)

10. Kvyat 0.066s (-0.119s)



#16 tyker

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Posted 29 June 2019 - 16:41

After Austria (Austria Difference)

 

01. Verstappen 0.5s (0.549s)

02. Russell 0.43s (0.302s)

03. Perez 0.3s (0.043s)

04. Magnussen 0.22s (0.024s)

05. Ricciardo 0.17s (-0.131s)

06. Sainz 0.11s (-)*

07. Hamilton 0.09s (0.275s)

08. Raikkonen 0.08s (0.024s)

09. Vettel 0.07s (-)*

10. Kvyat 0.05s (-0.018s)*

 

*Sainz did not take full part in qualifying due to his grid penalties

*Vettel did not take part in Q3 due to an engine related problem

*Kvyat's 3rd and final lap in Q1 was ruined by going off track to avoid Russell, this was also his fastest lap, Albon also set his fastest lap in Q1 on his 3rd lap, so times were taken from the first 2 laps of both drivers.



#17 Dimocash

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Posted 29 June 2019 - 22:22

I thought the difference between Max and Pierre was more than .539?

#18 tyker

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Posted 13 July 2019 - 16:39

After Silverstone (Silverstone Difference)

 

01. Verstappen 0.48s (0.314s)

02. Russell 0.43s (0.468s)

03. Perez 0.29s (0.113s)

04. Ricciardo 0.17s (0.204s)

05. Magnussen 0.16s (-0.315s)

06. Hamilton 0.081s (-0.006s)

07. Sainz 0.076s (-0.124s)

08. Raikkonen 0.06s (-0.097s)

09. Leclerc 0.03s (0.615s)

10. Kvyat 0.02s (-0.239s)



#19 tyker

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Posted 13 July 2019 - 16:41

I thought the difference between Max and Pierre was more than .539?

Gasly's best time was set in Q2 not Q3.



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#20 tyker

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Posted 27 July 2019 - 15:10

After Germany (Germany Difference)

 

01. Verstappen 0.45s (0.272s)

02. Russell 0.4s (0.118s)

03. Perez 0.3s (0.48s)

04. Ricciardo 0.153s (-0.033s)

05. Magnussem 0.148s (-0.02s)

06. Hamilton 0.11s (0.362s)

07. Sainz 0.08s (0.112s)

08. Raikkonen 0.079s (0.267s)

09. Kvyat 0.04s (0.183s)

10. Leclerc 0.03s (-)



#21 tyker

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Posted 03 August 2019 - 16:00

After Hungary (Hungary Difference)

 

01. Verstappen 0.5s (0.878s)

02. Russell 0.48s (1.293s)

03. Perez 0.31s (0.433s)

04. Ricciardo 0.134s (-0.059s)*

05. Magnussen 0.127s (-0.109s)

06. Raikkonen 0.1s (0.298s)

07. Hamilton 0.08s (-0.179s)

08. Sainz 0.07s (-0.052s)

09. Kvyat 0.032s (-0.005s)

10. Leclerc 0.027s (0.028s)

 

*Took the first laps of Hulkenberg and Ricciardo in Q1 as Ricciardo's second and final lap got spoiled at the start of the lap



#22 Eff1

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Posted 03 August 2019 - 16:08

Thanks for this.
Most teammates are evenly matched....Stroll, Kubica and Gasly are all really struggling in qualifying.

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Posted 03 August 2019 - 16:13

*Took the first laps of Hulkenberg and Ricciardo in Q1 as Ricciardo's second and final lap got spoiled at the start of the lap

 

Thank you for doing this work. 

 

Not comparing their fastest laps (Nico Q2 vs. Dan Q1) is one thing and consistent with your methodology, but not even taking Nico's fastest lap from Q1 vs. Dan's from Q1 is not. 



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Posted 03 August 2019 - 20:51

True, there are a host of aborted laps due to mistakes. I see this as a Ric mistake and should count. It wasn't a red flag he could do nothing about for instance.


Edited by SenorSjon, 03 August 2019 - 20:51.


#25 tyker

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Posted 04 August 2019 - 21:35

I try not to include things that I consider to be none driver mistakes, in this instance I even found out after I made the decision that Ricciardo blamed the team for sending him out too late in Q1.



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Posted 04 August 2019 - 21:48

I try not to include things that I consider to be none driver mistakes, in this instance I even found out after I made the decision that Ricciardo blamed the team for sending him out too late in Q1.

 

They didn't. Nico was even behind him, and still backed off for his flying lap. Dan decided that overtaking others would give him a better chance to prepare his tyres (the team didn't want that), Nico thought otherwise. 

 

Regardless of that, the best lap from Q1 should count for both drivers. 



#27 tyker

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 13:32

They didn't. Nico was even behind him, and still backed off for his flying lap. Dan decided that overtaking others would give him a better chance to prepare his tyres (the team didn't want that), Nico thought otherwise. 

 

Regardless of that, the best lap from Q1 should count for both drivers. 

That was a bit naughty of Ricciardo to say that then, nevertheless the lap seemingly was ruined and not representative, I can't class it as simply driver error like making a mistake in a corner, he didn't carry true speed to start the lap because of trying to pass a car which failed.



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Posted 15 August 2019 - 15:53

That was a bit naughty of Ricciardo to say that then, nevertheless the lap seemingly was ruined and not representative, I can't class it as simply driver error like making a mistake in a corner, he didn't carry true speed to start the lap because of trying to pass a car which failed.


And so Nico "loses" his best attempt in that session because Dan couldn't get his own lap together well enough? It's unclear to me how you can't see the problem with that.

It's your methodology, I just thought it was less arbitrary than that, going by your opening post.

Edited by beachdrifter, 15 August 2019 - 15:56.


#29 tyker

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Posted 15 August 2019 - 16:06

And so Nico "loses" his best attempt in that session because Dan couldn't get his own lap together well enough? It's unclear to me how you can't see the problem with that.

It's your methodology, I just thought it was less arbitrary than that, going by your opening post.

I appreciate that and I do understand your point of view, I'm trying to accurately determine the performance differentials between drivers, I'm just not happy using a lap were one driver was trying pass another driver even though it was Ricciardo's fault.



#30 beachdrifter

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Posted 15 August 2019 - 16:14

I appreciate that and I do understand your point of view, I'm trying to accurately determine the performance differentials between drivers, I'm just not happy using a lap were one driver was trying pass another driver even though it was Ricciardo's fault.


Yes, but what you're doing (correct me if I'm wrong) is you're essentially taking away the best time a driver set because his teammate made a mistake. And the end result is that the driver that made a mistake benefits from that mistake statistically, while the one that managed a better lap "suffers". Yes?

#31 tyker

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Posted 15 August 2019 - 16:31

Yes, but what you're doing (correct me if I'm wrong) is you're essentially taking away the best time a driver set because his teammate made a mistake. And the end result is that the driver that made a mistake benefits from that mistake statistically, while the one that managed a better lap "suffers". Yes?

I don't necessarily class being held up by another driver as a driving mistake as opposed to a driver making a mistake by going over his limit, the amount that Ricciardo had to back off in the corner starting the lap was never going to produce a representative lap, he was so late in getting the power down starting the lap.



#32 sopa

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Posted 15 August 2019 - 16:38

I don't necessarily class being held up by another driver as a driving mistake as opposed to a driver making a mistake by going over his limit, the amount that Ricciardo had to back off in the corner starting the lap was never going to produce a representative lap, he was so late in getting the power down starting the lap.

 

Maybe Hulk made a mistake on his first lap? Why should that Hungary battle count in Ricciardo's favour?



#33 beachdrifter

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Posted 15 August 2019 - 16:40

I don't necessarily class being held up by another driver as a driving mistake as opposed to a driver making a mistake by going over his limit, the amount that Ricciardo had to back off in the corner starting the lap was never going to produce a representative lap, he was so late in getting the power down starting the lap.


That may well be, doesn't address the real issue, however.

For those interested, the gap between Nico and Dan - when counting their best laps in a qualifying session where both competed - is less than 1 tenth.

#34 tyker

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Posted 15 August 2019 - 19:46

Maybe Hulk made a mistake on his first lap? Why should that Hungary battle count in Ricciardo's favour?

It doesn't Hulkenberg still posted the fastest lap.



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Posted 31 August 2019 - 16:32

After Spa (Spa Difference)

 

01. Russell 0.48s (-)

02. Perez 0.31s (0.257s)

03. Ricciardo 0.16s (0.439s)

04. Magnussen 0.12s (0.059s)

05. Hamilton 0.09s (0.133s)

06. Gasly 0.083s

07. Leclerc 0.081s (0.518s)

08. Raikkonen 0.07s (-0.205s)

09. Sainz 0.03s (-0.353s)

 

Albon didn't do a representative qualifying run.



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Posted 07 September 2019 - 18:24

After Monza (Monza Difference)

 

01. Russell 0.49s (0.556s)

02. Perez 0.28s (-0.115s)

03. Ricciardo 0.16s (0.216s)

04. Magnussen 0.12s (0.168s)

05. Gasly 0.1s (0.122s)

06. Leclerc 0.09s (0.15s)

07. Hamilton 0.08s (0.009s)

08. Raikkonen 0.07s (0.002s)

09. Sainz 0.03s (-)



#37 tyker

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 14:48

After Singapore (Singapore difference)

 

01. Verstappen 0.6s (0.598s)

02. Russell 0.47s (0.329s)

03. Gasly 0.36s (0.872s)

04. Perez 0.27s (0.07s)

05. Ricciardo 0.16s (0.169s)

06. Magnussen 0.14s (0.335s)

07. Hamilton 0.12s (0.734s)

08. Leclerc 0.1s (0.22s)

09. Raikkonen 0.05s (-0.161s)

10. Sainz 0.01s (-0.246s)



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Posted 21 September 2019 - 15:34

After Singapore (Singapore difference)

01. Verstappen 0.6s (0.598s)
02. Russell 0.47s (0.329s)
03. Gasly 0.36s (0.872s)
04. Perez 0.27s (0.07s)
05. Ricciardo 0.16s (0.169s)
06. Magnussen 0.14s (0.335s)
07. Hamilton 0.12s (0.734s)
08. Leclerc 0.1s (0.22s)
09. Raikkonen 0.05s (-0.161s)
10. Sainz 0.01s (-0.246s)


Gasly to win the qualify average battle at the end of the season confirmed 😝

#39 tyker

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 12:44

After Sochi (Sochi Difference)

 

01. Verstappen 0.6s (-)

02. Russell 0.52s (1.118s)

03. Gasly 0.36s (-)

04. Perez 0.27s (0.275s)

05. Hamilton 0.15s (0.602s)

06. Ricciardo 0.128s (-0.372s)

07. Leclerc 0.127s (0.425s)

08. Magnussen 0.11s (-0.246s)

09. Raikkonen 0.04s (-0.085s)

10. Sainz 0.01s (0.079s)



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Posted 07 October 2019 - 13:26

 

09. Raikkonen 0.04s (-0.085s)

10. Sainz 0.01s (0.079s)

Tremendous job from Giovinazzi and Norris qualy wise, IMO. 


Edited by Collective, 07 October 2019 - 13:26.


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Posted 07 October 2019 - 13:57

Tremendous job from Giovinazzi and Norris qualy wise, IMO. 

 

 

Kimi is quite poor over one lap, many mistakes and slow.



#42 tyker

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 13:55

After Japan (Japan difference)

 

01. Russell 0.52s (-)

02. Gasly 0.47s (0.784s)

03. Verstappen 0.3s (0s)

04. Perez 0.21s (-0.75s)

05. Hamilton 0.15s (-0.009s)

06. Magnussen 0.115s (-)

07. Ricciardo 0.107s (-0.203s)

08. Leclerc 0.1s (-0.189s)

09. Raikkonen 0.03s (-0.104s)

10. Sainz 0.02s (0.16s)



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Posted 27 October 2019 - 16:26

After Mexico (Mexico Difference)

 

01. Russell 0.58s (1.356s)

02. Verstappen 0.39s (0.578s)*

03. Gasly 0.35s (-0.117s)

04. Perez 0.23s (0.6s)

05. Hamilton 0.14s (0.076s)

06. Magnussen 0.12s (0.163s)

07. Leclerc 0.11s (0.146s)

08. Ricciardo 0.1s (-0.048s)

09. Raikkonen 0.05s (0.302s)

10. Sainz 0.04s (0.318s)

 

*Revised to allow for Verstappen's second lap in Q3 as Albon's second lap was unaffected by the yellow flag.


Edited by tyker, 31 October 2019 - 12:13.


#44 coppilcus

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 14:20

Russell is just mopping the floor with Kubica...

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 15:30

Verstappen never lost that time, he only got penalized for it.

 

See the official result from Mexico:

https://www.formula1...qualifying.html

 

1:14.758



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Posted 30 October 2019 - 21:26

Yep, and the only other is Vettel. Hamilton failed to slow down as well (ie. he set his fastest lap after Bottas crashed).

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Posted 31 October 2019 - 01:03

Verstappen never lost that time, he only got penalized for it.

 

See the official result from Mexico:

https://www.formula1...qualifying.html

 

1:14.758

Its more to do with how it relates to his teammate, my understanding now is that Albon was running in front of Bottas so wasn't affected by the crash, so I will look to include Verstappen's second lap.



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Posted 31 October 2019 - 01:06

Yep, and the only other is Vettel. Hamilton failed to slow down as well (ie. he set his fastest lap after Bottas crashed).

In this case Bottas disadvantaged himself so Hamilton's lap is valid plus in any case he didn't actually break any rules.



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Posted 31 October 2019 - 05:56

It would be more accurate to give Vettel the same time as Leclerc as he was ahead after final corner but had to slow down.



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Posted 31 October 2019 - 06:57

In this case Bottas disadvantaged himself so Hamilton's lap is valid plus in any case he didn't actually break any rules.


Makes sense. But in relation to Albon Verstappen didnt disadvantage himself, he was disadvantaged by the crash.