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[red stick]

B Squared, on 24 Aug 2019 - 13:10, said:

My guess is that all owners have money in the game mate.

Pay-owner-driver? No, that's not it either. More coffee . . .

[Jeeves]

BuddyHolly, on 23 Aug 2019 - 22:31, said:

I've only been watching indycars this season so I know next to nothing about it still but..  I have to ask, is Marco Andretti only driving because of his last name, is he another Bruno Senna?

 

(Not just because of this mistake but I've not really seen him do one impressive thing all season)

 

[B Squared]

My guess is that not one person here could match this Andretti wanker.

[rghojai]

B Squared, on 24 Aug 2019 - 13:36, said:

My guess is that not one person here could match this Andretti wanker.

 

 

My guess is that Pato O'Ward could.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Challenge accepted.

[B Squared]

I look forward to it Ross. Let us know when you put it together. Welcome back.

[Ross Stonefeld]

It's really really hard to defend Marco, now or historically. I think whatever potential he does have has been wasted by him/his approach and his environment. I think he's probably been told all his life that he's amaaaaaazing, particularly by grandpa, so believes it and doesn't really apply himself. Or maybe he's just not that bright.

So he's had so so so many opportunities. In a normal world he'd have been without a ride, or turned into an Indy-only or Servia type guy, several years ago. But he has enough name recognition to keep a car funded, so he's not really 'wasting' a seat because it isn't there without him. So in that sense I guess he technically adds to the series so might as well have him out there to entertain us...


ps I think Graham Rahal's big run a few years back was down to a questionable car.

[paulb]

Marco occasionally flashes one lap speed, but even when he has good qualifying he is nowhere in the race.

[red stick]

B Squared, on 24 Aug 2019 - 13:36, said:

My guess is that not one person here could match this Andretti wanker.

 

In a race car?  No doubt.  In a criminal courtroom?  Bring it!  

 

Meanwhile we have another weekend trying to figure out how a career racer with obvious skill, a substantial pedigree, and the resources of an elite team is, in this instance, three miles per hour adrift of the field.  Folks with greater racing knowledge than I possess have no answers either.  

Edited by red stick, 24 August 2019 - 15:16.

[red stick]

Don't count on a second lane . . .

 

https://racer.com/20...ntent=home-hero

 

I guess we'll find out early if the optimists in this regard, Power and perhaps Ferrucci, were on to something.

[eibyyz]

I'll say this about Marco:  Others might have blown smoke up his azz, but he's never struck me as someone who actually believed what they were saying.  Also, he never wrecks anyone and rarely wrecks himself.  

[B Squared]

red stick, on 24 Aug 2019 - 13:26, said:

Pay-owner-driver?

A few other "pay owner drivers" have been Dan Gurney, A.J. Foyt, Mario Andretti (1968) and, I believe, Chip Ganassi who was a partial owner with Pat Patrick in 1983. Sprints and midgets also have seen many owner drivers over the years.

[red stick]

B Squared, on 24 Aug 2019 - 15:54, said:

A few other "pay owner drivers" have been Dan Gurney, A.J. Foyt, Mario Andretti (1968) and, I believe, Chip Ganassi who was a partial owner with Pat Patrick in 1983. Sprints and midgets also have seen many owner drivers over the years.

 

Oh, I know, which is why i backtracked immediately in search of caffeine.  Some thoughts just never cohere . . .

[Jim Thurman]

B Squared, on 24 Aug 2019 - 15:54, said:

A few other "pay owner drivers" have been Dan Gurney, A.J. Foyt, Mario Andretti (1968) and, I believe, Chip Ganassi who was a partial owner with Pat Patrick in 1983. Sprints and midgets also have seen many owner drivers over the years.

 

NASCAR (and other stock car racing) has been filled with them too, several quite successful.

[jonpollak]

Welcome back Ross.
Jp

[Jim Thurman]

rghojai, on 24 Aug 2019 - 04:25, said:

Erudite IndyCat says:

 

 

Jim Thurman is crass

Has no sophistication

(winking emoji)

 

 

In that photo, Indycat looks more non-plussed to me, but I've been wrong before.

 

I am not a fan of Crass either:

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=391jhxxvpIQ

 

 

And, why you lot named a city after that band Chelsea, I will never understand.

[jonpollak]

Do we know if they’ve fixed Newgarden’s engine issue ?

Jp

[red stick]

jonpollak, on 24 Aug 2019 - 17:06, said:

Do we know if they’ve fixed Newgarden’s engine issue ?
Jp

I haven't seen anything reported on it. What was it?

[Myrvold]

B Squared, on 24 Aug 2019 - 13:36, said:

My guess is that not one person here could match this Andretti wanker.

Does that include finding funding? If not, include pre-season testing, and I think you underestimate some users here quite a lot ;)

[loki]

red stick, on 24 Aug 2019 - 15:14, said:

In a race car?  No doubt.  In a criminal courtroom?  Bring it! 

As the defendant?...

[loki]

Jim Thurman, on 24 Aug 2019 - 16:09, said:

NASCAR (and other stock car racing) has been filled with them too, several quite successful.

 

Robby Gordon still does.  He took it another step and funded his own series with an energy drink company he started to fund the racing.

 

I had a few Crass records back when they came out then figured out they were serious about that whole anarchy thing.  

 

red stick, on 24 Aug 2019 - 17:15, said:

I haven't seen anything reported on it. What was it?

Trouble late in practice.  Hard to tell they kept blocking the camera F1 style. Chevy brought over what looked like an ecu case and the team were changing ignition parts.  They couldn’t get back out as one of the Carlins whacked the wall pretty hard but they did run through the gears, high revs, on stands at he end of the session.

[William Hunt]

if I'm correct the race starts at 02:45 CET ... that will be a late night then

[red stick]

loki, on 24 Aug 2019 - 18:07, said:

Trouble late in practice.  Hard to tell they kept blocking the camera F1 style. Chevy brought over what looked like an ecu case and the team were changing ignition parts.  They couldn’t get back out as one of the Carlins whacked the wall pretty hard but they did run through the gears, high revs, on stands at he end of the session.

Thanks.  So either Penske has had a whole day to address it, or I need to rethink my fantasy picks.  Or both.  

[PiperPa42]

Great laps by Newgarden and Bourdais, would have loved to see Bourdais P1 though

 

I'll try to stay up for the race. My only plans for tomorrow is gardening, and that can wait.

[noriaki]

B Squared, on 24 Aug 2019 - 15:54, said:

A few other "pay owner drivers" have been Dan Gurney, A.J. Foyt, Mario Andretti (1968) and, I believe, Chip Ganassi who was a partial owner with Pat Patrick in 1983. Sprints and midgets also have seen many owner drivers over the years.

 

Let's not forget about Ed Carpenter either. 

[Anja]

3 AM start or not, I'll be watching. Already missed one race this season, that's one too many. 

[Stephane]

Maybe I'll catch the end when I wake up

[Jim Thurman]

loki, on 24 Aug 2019 - 18:07, said:

 

I had a few Crass records back when they came out then figured out they were serious about that whole anarchy thing. 

 

Oh man, loki, that had me lol 

[jonpollak]

Yes but look at us now... we have anarchy in spades. !!!!
Jp

[ANF]

William Hunt, on 24 Aug 2019 - 18:20, said:

if I'm correct the race starts at 02:45 CET ... that will be a late night then

Are you sure it's not 01:00 BST/02:00 CEST? That's what the schedules say at https://twitter.com/indycar and https://www.wwtraceway.com

You're right, 01:45 BST/02:45 CEST it is.

Edited by ANF, 24 August 2019 - 22:41.

[PiperPa42]

Looks like qualifying is being shown on Nigerian Broadcast Corporation Sports Network for those of us who missed it yesterday.

Edited by PiperPa42, 24 August 2019 - 22:43.

[jonpollak]

OMG... the K&N cars have trashed the track again.
Jp

[Afterburner]

Hoping that this ends up being something other than a Penske Parade, but I find it really hard to see past NewJive walking this one.

[potmotr]

Ugh, so goddamn late! 

[B Squared]

potmotr, on 24 Aug 2019 - 23:33, said:

Ugh, so goddamn late!

Where are you located? When in Europe I know F1 is usually pretty early for me but I really enjoy that time of the day and when they're across the Pacific I still get up to watch them live in the middle of the night.

[jonpollak]

I love investing in odd times to watch racing.
Usually there is peace and quiet in my house or no one in the lobby of whatever hotel I’m in.

Folks need to embrace the time change from wherever they are.

Jp

[potmotr]

B Squared, on 24 Aug 2019 - 23:44, said:

Where are you located? When in Europe I know F1 is usually pretty early for me but I really enjoy that time of the day and when they're across the Pacific I still get up to watch them live in the middle of the night.

 

London, UK where it's just gone 1am...!

[jonpollak]

Broadcast is live now.
Jp

[Jim Thurman]

potmotr, on 24 Aug 2019 - 23:33, said:

Ugh, so goddamn late! 

 

Not for the folks at the track!

[potmotr]

jonpollak, on 24 Aug 2019 - 23:52, said:

I love investing in odd times to watch racing.
Usually there is peace and quiet in my house or no one in the lobby of whatever hotel I’m in.

Folks need to embrace the time change from wherever they are.

Jp

 

I'm saving my all nighter for Bathurst! 

[PiperPa42]

If you are in bed by 4, it's hardly an all nighter ;) 2:05 here.

[maximilian]

Josef Newengine

[B Squared]

maximilian, on 25 Aug 2019 - 00:09, said:

Josef Newengine

I guess I missed them saying he got a new engine put in his car

[jonpollak]

Word is they couldn’t solve the problem after the late practice yesterday. So NewNewengine.

Jp

[Jim Thurman]

All the time talk reminds me of all the times I got up, pre-VCR, to watch F1 live on the West Coast of the U.S., or the times where I got up to watch even with the VCR...and had to reset it because the drivers couldn't get through the first chicane at the old Osterreichring without piling up, or doing the same at Spa. After the second restart, I said ***** it, and went to bed.

[PayasYouRace]

You guys could have been keeping yourselves awake by designing an FE circuit for the competition. Anyway. Let’s get this show on the road.

[jonpollak]

Sato given ‘avoidable contact’ penalty for last weekend.
Jp

[maximilian]

Ridiculous decision.

[jonpollak]

Correct... not harsh enough.
Jp

[PayasYouRace]

Hopefully we’ll just have a clean race tonight.