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[Henri Greuter]

milestone 11, on 19 Jun 2020 - 12:24, said:

'52 and '53.

Aaiiii...   Yes you're right.

[Collombin]

I rarely refer to F1, tending to just use WDC as that's usually what people mean. And although I am extremely pedantic about the F1 v WDC distinction, even I stop short of treating post-1980 champions as an entirely separate category! I'm only a 9 on the pedant scale.

[Amphicar]

Volvo means "I roll" but this Saab 96 has similar ambitions!

 

[68targa]

Porsche Carrera RSR  - Gordon Spioce, Larry Perkins & Jim Rullon Miller - 1978 Le Mans. They finished 14th overall

 

[Ivanhoe]

The Ligier JS2-Maserati of the two Jean-Pierres, Beltoise and Jarier. On the left the Gulf-Mirage of Jacky Ickx and Derek Bell is rolled passed to pole between the Ligier and the Art 3.0 CSL of which DeKnyff posted a picture earlier.

Where Ickx and Bell went on to their second and maiden win at Le Mans, it didn’t end too well for Beltoise and Jarier.

[Sterzo]

Continues to be a wonderful thread, especially the more desperate dives into obscurity. In the interests of harmony, I'm resisting the urge to correct misuse of the word pedantry...

[Amphicar]

1970 INDIANAPOLIS 500 - Bruce Walkup in the Wynn's Spit-Fire Mongoose-Offy. With peculiar roll-cage - just in case Indy became a stage in the Safari Rally?

 

[DeKnyff]

 

 

The Lang-Cooper King Cobra of Carrol Shelby, driven by Dave McDonald at laguna Seca in 1964.

 

The car was an autonomous Shelby project. Craig Lang (Olympia brewery) would finance the project. The car itself was a Cooper chassis, modified by Shelby and powered by a Ford 289 engine.

 

Below, the car on its trailer.

 

 

EDIT: the car on the trailer is the slightly revised MkII version, also made from a bare Cooper chassis.

Edited by DeKnyff, 20 June 2020 - 10:52.

[milestone 11]

Sterzo, on 20 Jun 2020 - 09:51, said:

Continues to be a wonderful thread, especially the more desperate dives into obscurity. In the interests of harmony, I'm resisting the urge to correct misuse of the word pedantry...

You're a pedant. 

[milestone 11]

Aston Martin Vantage GTE, Le Mans 2013, driven by Dumbreck/Turner/Mucke the car finished 3rd in class. I was surprised that the team didn't withdraw after the dreadful accident that Allan Simonsen had on the 3rd lap.

 

[milestone 11]

1974 911 RSR. Michael McGrath won the PCA championship in 2013 with this car.

 

[Amphicar]

Indy 1976: Sheldon Kinser in a Dragon-Offy sponsored by "The Bottom Half" (No idea what sort of business that was)

 

 

[jcbc3]

Diapers?

[68targa]

A 1961 2500cc Lancia Flaminia Zagato at an historic meetimg in 1985 with Mario Vecchi driving.

 

These cars had several outings in the Targa Florio during the early 60's including an 8th place overall and 1st in class during the 1962 race.

 

The styling is in sharp contrast to the E Type that is tailgating here, both from the same era.

 

 

[milestone 11]

de Adamich/van Lennep 333 taking the outside line on the Rizzo/Alongi Giulia GTA. Targa Florio 1971.

 

Edited by milestone 11, 20 June 2020 - 13:39.

[Izzyeviel]

milestone 11, on 20 Jun 2020 - 11:33, said:

Aston Martin Vantage GTE, Le Mans 2013, driven by Dumbreck/Turner/Mucke the car finished 3rd in class. I was surprised that the team didn't withdraw after the dreadful accident that Allan Simonsen had on the 3rd lap.

 

 

I think it was his wife who wanted them to carry on.  Dalla Lama crashing the other car in the last hour was pretty gutting.

[DeKnyff]

 

Dan Gurney's Ferrari chases Carroll Shelby's Maserati at SCCA Riverside in 1957. Shelby won, but it was clear that newcomer young Gurney would be a hard rival in the future.

 

Drivers traded position several times along the race.

 

 

Shelby had driven the Maser at Riverside some weeks before, for the track's inaugural race. Not his finest day.

 

 

 

[PayasYouRace]

Looks like Austria in two weeks is likely. Should we start counting down from 14 again?

[Ivanhoe]

Canadian George Eaton, heir of the Eaton dynasty, had a moderate career in racing and was most succesful in Can-Am. Here he is pictured in a BRM P154-Chevy

 

At the Glen, 1970

 

Road Atlanta, 1970

[Beri]

PayasYouRace, on 21 Jun 2020 - 08:11, said:

Looks like Austria in two weeks is likely. Should we start counting down from 14 again?

I've asked this before. But I think we are counting up till 112.

https://forums.autos...s-on/?p=9088577

[jcbc3]

We are. Australia was cancelled late. Could still happen in Austria.

[Sterzo]

PayasYouRace, on 21 Jun 2020 - 08:11, said:

Looks like Austria in two weeks is likely. Should we start counting down from 14 again?

What, and make life easy for Ivanhoe, milestone 11, Amphicar, de Knyff, Superswede and all the others? Keep them on their toes, I say. I want to see Nardi number 103 that retired on the first lap of the Targa Florio.

[68targa]

Not something you'd expect to see. A B.R.M. P160 and Porsche 908 in the same race.

1979 Silverstone St John Horsfall meeting. The B.R.M. was driven by Bobby Bell (Bell & Colvill) and Siegfried Brunn drives the 908 both dicing for the lead. The B.R.M. won.

 

 

 

 

Keep on counting up

[Amphicar]

Parnelli Jones in the 1963 Indy 500 winning Agajanian Watson-Offy

 

[milestone 11]

1969 Lola T70 Mk111B at the Barcelona classic endurance 2013.

[Amphicar]

PJ again - this time in 1966 in the Agajanian REV 500 Special Shrike-Offy

 

[milestone 11]

The Peter Collins/Phil Hil Ferrari 250 TR in which they finished 4th in the 1958 Targa Florio.

Edited by milestone 11, 21 June 2020 - 12:22.

[milestone 11]

Would have been so much easier to give everyone a couple of dodgy pics of Roberto Merhi but I was admonished for bringing Pascal into the frame on Wednesday.

[Ivanhoe]

Three Shelby Ford GT40’s MkII after a weekend of hard racing at Daytona 1966, when Ford had it’s sweet revenge taking 1-2-3 and putting four cars in the top 5, after it’s disastrous previous season. The #98 driven by Ken Miles and Lloyd Ruby won the race, followed by #97 and the #95 Holman entry of which DeKnyff posted a picture earlier. #96 finished 5th.

Edited by Ivanhoe, 21 June 2020 - 13:04.

[PayasYouRace]

 

 

[Henri Greuter]

Amphicar, on 21 Jun 2020 - 12:06, said:

Parnelli Jones in the 1963 Indy 500 winning Agajanian Watson-Offy

 

That was Aggie's second winner with #98, the first one ....

[Amphicar]

Henri Greuter, on 21 Jun 2020 - 14:27, said:

That was Aggie's second winner with #98, the first one ....

...was this! (Troy Ruttman in 1952 in a Kuzma-Offy)

 

Edited by Amphicar, 21 June 2020 - 16:16.

[DeKnyff]

 

A car which, despite its undisputed driving qualities, is not normally associated with motor racing: the Citröen CX of Christine Dacremont at the Monte Carlo rally of 1978.

 

Below, the same Christine Dacremont driving an Alpine at Tour Auto 1972. Aseptogyl was an all-female racing team.

[Collombin]

Perfectly tying in to my comment in the other thread. I believe this was actually the same car Faulkner used in 1951 when he again broke the track record - so this car had probably the shortest and tallest Indy drivers in back to back years.

[Henri Greuter]

Collombin, on 21 Jun 2020 - 16:21, said:

Perfectly tying in to my comment in the other thread. I believe this was actually the same car Faulkner used in 1951 when he again broke the track record - so this car had probably the shortest and tallest Indy drivers in back to back years.

It was also, sadly a car once driven for the occasion by Bill Vukovich but the worst association with Vuky was that it contributed to his fatal accident.

Rodger Ward was driving the car in 1955 but his mishap started the chain reaction of events in which Vuky got involved with fatal consequences.....

[Ivanhoe]

Ken Miles oversteering his Shelby Cobra which won him the 1964 USCRR championship.

Edited by Ivanhoe, 21 June 2020 - 21:24.

[DeKnyff]

 

The Ford mustang of West / Macon at the 24 horas Daytona in 1966. They did not finish the race.

[Ivanhoe]

Sidecar hero’s at the TT in 1967

 

Edited by Ivanhoe, 22 June 2020 - 07:22.

[DeKnyff]

Ivanhoe, on 22 Jun 2020 - 07:21, said:

Sidecar hero’s at the TT in 1967

Absolutely amazing picture.

[Henri Greuter]

Will we see "Red gloves" today or is that too painful....

[Beri]

Henri Greuter, on 22 Jun 2020 - 07:36, said:

Will we see "Red gloves" today or is that too painful....

 
One simply cant post enough Greg Moore pictures.

[milestone 11]

I typically avoid Indy because I know very little about it. The web tells me that Lee Wallard won the Indy 500 with this car in 1951, a Kurtis Kraft Offy.

[Collombin]

Yep, and in Tony Bettenhausen's hands it dominated the championship that year too. Tony should have been driving what turned out to be the winning car in both 1947 and 1951 iirc.

Wallard was badly burned just 4 days later, but ended his "WDC" career with a 50% win rate. Juan Manuel who?

Edited by Collombin, 22 June 2020 - 08:36.

[68targa]

F5000 Kitchiner Chevrolet with Gordon Spice at the wheel.  1970 Silverstone.

 

 

 

And another Procar BMW this time with Jan Lammers driving.

 

[Henri Greuter]

milestone 11, on 22 Jun 2020 - 08:09, said:

I typically avoid Indy because I know very little about it. The web tells me that Lee Wallard won the Indy 500 with this car in 1951, a Kurtis Kraft Offy.

Am I permitted to tell you a bit more on this car then?

Lee Wallard drove this car at Indy, in the rest of the year it was driven by Tony Bettenhausen. Tony won enough races with the car to become national champion that year.
At Indy however, Tony had a contract with Lou Moore, the builder/owner of the legendary Frontwheeldriven Blue Crown Specials that had scored doubel victories in '47 and '48 and won the race also in 1949. Tony became part of the team from 1950 on. But crucially, during 1950 there were a few developments within Indy cars that eliminated the advantages of the FWD Blue Crown cars and they were unable to match their opponents in that, loosing their edge and their chances to remain successful at Indy against them as had happened between '47-'49.
The painful truth for Bettenhausen is that had he remained with the car he would drive all year long except at Indy, he may have been in the shoes of Wallard, but of course that is far from certain. Tony Bettenhausen was very popular and well like but somehow he appeared to be jinxed at the Speedway, like the Andrettis. But he also lost his life at the speedway in '61.

About the car, It was the smallest and lightest car in the race and it also had the smallest engine! While according the rules a 4.5 liter engine was allowed, its 4-banger Offy had only 4 liters capacity. The chief mechanic hoped to restrict power loss with a shorter stroke and with higher revs making up for the capacity loss.
Wallard drove the race like a madman, and almost succeeded in destroying the car during the race. When it finished as a winner, some components in the suspension had gone and it was a sheer miracle that the car made it to the end.
His victory was also Wallard's last race at Indy, a few months later he was injured in a fiery accident that eventually caused his retirement.
As already told, the car went on to become the 1951 AAA champcar category champ. It was a Kurtis-Kraft chassis and of all the many KK-cars built and raced over the years in Champcars, this is supposedly the Kurtis with the most victories within Champcar racing. But most of them were of course on the dirttracks.

.....phew....



EDIT: was working on this and missed Collombin's post ....

Edited by Henri Greuter, 22 June 2020 - 08:46.

[milestone 11]

Ivanhoe, on 22 Jun 2020 - 07:21, said:

Sidecar hero’s at the TT in 1967

Fantastic pic Ivanhoe.I must confess that I don't recall having seen it before. Once again we have a woman (I hate having to use that word, I want to say girl, a girl with bigger balls than mine) in the chair, Jenny Beales, her husband Bob is doing the driving. Bob and Jenny finished 31st that day on the Triumph engined outfit though it was '69 rather than '67. Thanks, excellent start to the day

Edited by milestone 11, 22 June 2020 - 09:04.

[DeKnyff]

 

 

Mexican driver Moisés Solana (better known for being the last F1 driver tu use #13 before Pastor Maldonado) driving a Lola T70 in 1967 (up) and a McLaren M6B in 1968 (down).

[Sterzo]

68targa, on 22 Jun 2020 - 08:40, said:

F5000 Kitchiner Chevrolet with Gordon Spice at the wheel.  1970 Silverstone.

 

 

 

Saw this at Brands, and was surprised Gordon Spice wasn't seasick, such were its undulations on the start straight. Pretty sure the tub from this car ended up hanging from the wall inside a railway arch near Stamford Brook station, at Hammersmith in West London, where several racing people plied their trade in the sixties and early seventies. Don't know what became of it.

Edited by Sterzo, 22 June 2020 - 10:59.

[milestone 11]

Sheldon/Thyrring/Nicholson Tiga GC286 Le Mans 1986. Engine blew in the 15th hour.

[Amphicar]

Rookie of the year George Amick in the 1958 Demler Special Epperly-Offy in which he finished a close second. In 1959 Paul Goldsmith came in fifth in the same car and he was third in 1960.

 

 

n 1966 a General Electric gas turbine was fitted and the Epperly was driven by Al Miller and Bill Cheesboug. The car was very fast but was declared unsafe because of the lack of engine braking..

 

 

 

Edited by Amphicar, 22 June 2020 - 12:42.