2072 replies to this topic

[Branislav]

It's not startet yet but Jimmie Johnson got this nice photo

 

[Branislav]

So this is Calendar (Bolded races indicate a NASCAR Major also known as Crown Jewel race)

 

 

                                                                                                                                FINALE

 

                                                             PHOENIX RACEWAY, Avondale, Arizona          November 8        3:00 PM      NBC

[Branislav]

I almost forgot a new logo

 

 

Let stock car racing begin!

[Branislav]

Defending Champ

 

[John B]

Big news this week is the Penske crew chief shakeup switching among all 3 drivers. Kind of surprised Logano's team is involved after their playoff success throughout the new format, as it seemed the pairing has a long track record of working well to get the most out of potential results and move forward in rounds.

 

The schedule is obviously another major change for this year. Can't help wondering how long it will be before Daytona is back at the traditional July 4 timeframe, as happened with the Southern 500, and how Phoenix will play out as the championship finale.

 

The development of the all new 2021 car will also be of considerable interest throughout the year.

[jonpollak]

I’ll be in Faro Portugal for the Daytona 500.
Hope I can get a feed or a bar that has coverage.

Jp

[BiggestBuddyLazierFan]

I almost forgot a new logo

 

 

Let stock car racing begin!

 

So they lost title sponsor Amazing achievement

[Branislav]

This is slated to be the first season under NASCAR's new tiered sponsorship model after rejecting Monster Energy's offer to extend its title sponsorship. On December 5, 2019, NASCAR announced Busch Beer, Coca-Cola, GEICO, and Xfinity as the Premier Partners of the NASCAR Cup Series.

[BRG]

So this is Calendar (Bolded races indicate a NASCAR Major also known as Crown Jewel race)

 

And proof that more doesn't mean better.  People used to care about races like the Southern 500 (I even had the t-shirt).  Now no-one gives a flying ****

[FLB]

And proof that more doesn't mean better.  People used to care about races like the Southern 500 (I even had the t-shirt).  Now no-one gives a flying ****

Same (except the t-shirt).

[JHSingo]

And proof that more doesn't mean better.  People used to care about races like the Southern 500 (I even had the t-shirt).  Now no-one gives a flying ****

And this is the model Liberty, for some reason, wants to follow. So many races that they end up meaning very little, and a championship 'playoffs' so contrived that it counts for nothing even if you won the first 26 races.

 

All this combining to result in not one single NASCAR race being in the top 50 most-watched television broadcasts of 2019...

https://dailysnark.c...dcasts-of-2019/

[FLB]

And this is the model Liberty, for some reason, wants to follow. So many races that they end up meaning very little, and a championship 'playoffs' so contrived that it counts for nothing even if you won the first 26 races.

 

All this combining to result in not one single NASCAR race being in the top 50 most-watched television broadcasts of 2019...

https://dailysnark.c...dcasts-of-2019/

 

https://youtu.be/77ueTRaYTwg

Edited by FLB, 11 January 2020 - 15:13.

[Branislav]

And this is the model Liberty, for some reason, wants to follow. So many races that they end up meaning very little, and a championship 'playoffs' so contrived that it counts for nothing even if you won the first 26 races.

 

All this combining to result in not one single NASCAR race being in the top 50 most-watched television broadcasts of 2019...

https://dailysnark.c...dcasts-of-2019/

NFL 41 of 50 that says a lot. And where're IndyCar races?

Edited by Branislav, 11 January 2020 - 15:16.

[red stick]

This is slated to be the first season under NASCAR's new tiered sponsorship model after rejecting Monster Energy's offer to extend its title sponsorship. On December 5, 2019, NASCAR announced Busch Beer, Coca-Cola, GEICO, and Xfinity as the Premier Partners of the NASCAR Cup Series.

Tiered sponsorship! Premier Partners!

NASCAR corporate-speak at its best. In fact, one can imagine how this went:


Somewhere near Daytona Beach . . .

NASCAR Exec. #1: Monster will reup, but given the projected decline in ratings and attendance, there'll be quite a haircut.

NASCAR Exec. #2: What are our options?

#1: Well, we can always go for several smaller sponsors instead of one title sponsor. You know, Anheuser-Busch. Coke. Maybe GEICO. Get Buffett on the phone.

#2: But then nobody is really responsible for carrying the corporate brand. It will always be someone else's problem. We can't have the Coke/GEICO/pick'em Cup, can we?

#1: We may not have a choice. The days of one title sponsor may well be behind us.

#2: Well, what if we have several, and we call them Premier Partners? Makes it almost sound like a title sponsor.

#1: Hey, that's good. Spreading the wealth. Think the fans will notice?

#2: The fans? Are you kidding? They bought into the notion that a driver could theoretically win 35 straight races and not be the champion! This will be a piece of cake.

Edited by red stick, 12 January 2020 - 00:32.

[jonpollak]

Singo: that list of yours is total BS.
The Woman’s World Cup has over 82 Million viewers in the US alone.



Jp

[jonpollak]

NFL 41 of 50 that says a lot. And where're IndyCar races?

2019 Indy 500 had 36 million viewers

“Indy 500 also stands as the most-watched Sunday afternoon sporting event on NBC in more than four months, (36.0 million viewers) since the NFL Wild Card game between the Eagles and Bears on Jan. 6. It was also the most watched sporting event on NBC after NFL.”

Jp

[Branislav]

2019 Indy 500 had 36 million viewers

“Indy 500 also stands as the most-watched Sunday afternoon sporting event on NBC in more than four months, (36.0 million viewers) since the NFL Wild Card game between the Eagles and Bears on Jan. 6. It was also the most watched sporting event on NBC after NFL.”

Jp

Are you nuts?

 

This is numbers http://www.showbuzzd...-5-26-2019.html

5,4 M

 

And as of FIFA Women's World Cup you're not right either http://www.showbuzzd...1-7-7-2019.html

14 M

[jonpollak]

Dude.

Those aren’t aggregate numbers on your web reference.

Jp

[jonpollak]

Here have some Jochen Rindt instead.

https://youtu.be/_v0fCzdcLak

Jp

[Tsarwash]

It probably depends on how it is counted, This article suggests that quarterfinal France v's USA had a peak of 8.2 million viewers in the USA.

 

https://www.hollywoo...records-1221957

 

I would be quite surprised if one in seven of the global population watched the whole of at least one match. 

[jonpollak]

It probably depends on how it is counted.

True.
Unfortunately the broadcasters and advertisers use the Bernie method of one eyeball =a view.
Jp

[Branislav]

Dude.

Those aren’t aggregate numbers on your web reference.

Jp

Mate, that exact numbers uses Adam Stern, you know who he is?

[jonpollak]

Overnights Branislav, the full numbers take a while, and not only do I know who Adam is.....

Anyway.... this argument could go round and round forever.

Jp

[Branislav]

Nielsen Ratings 3.4 (5.4 million viewers)

Indy 500

[Branislav]

Nielsen Ratings 9.170 million

Daytona 500

 

 

Exactly as on above website

[JHSingo]

Singo: that list of yours is total BS.
The Woman’s World Cup has over 82 Million viewers in the US alone.



Jp

Ahh, Fifa, that well known authority of trustworthiness and accuracy...

 

I've learned to take figures that sports leagues/organisers quote with a massive pinch of salt, since they're normally vastly over-exaggerated and usually factor in the number of people who've seen 30 seconds of footage on a news broadcast or something equally random. 82 million viewers for a sport that comes nowhere close to the established 'big four' in interest the rest of the time? Yeah, I'm not buying that.

[FLB]

It's not startet yet but Jimmie Johnson got this nice photo

 

I can't believe what's happened.

 

 

I can identify every single one of these guys without looking it up. 

 

Kneeling (l to r): Neil Bonnett, Terry Labonte, Dale Earnhardt, Bill Elliott, Richard Petty

 

Standing (l to r): Morgan Shepherd, Tim Richmond, Bobby Allison, Darrell Waltrip, Harry Gant, Ricky Rudd, Kyle Petty, Davey Allison, Benny Parsons, Geoff Bodine, Buddy Baker, Bobby Hillin, Jr., Rusty Wallace, Cale Yarborough, Greg Sacks

 

 

I don't think I could do the same with 20 current Cup guys...

Edited by FLB, 12 January 2020 - 15:18.

[BiggestBuddyLazierFan]

I can't believe what's happened.


I can identify every single one of these guys without looking it up.

Kneeling (l to r): Neil Bonnett, Terry Labonte, Dale Earnhardt, Bill Elliott, Richard Petty

Standing (l to r): Morgan Shepherd, Tim Richmond, Bobby Allison, Darrell Waltrip, Harry Gant, Ricky Rudd, Kyle Petty, Davey Allison, Benny Parsons, Geoff Bodine, Buddy Baker, Bobby Hillin, Jr., Rusty Wallace, Cale Yarborough, Greg Sacks


I don't think I could do the same with 20 current Cup guys...

Wheres Rusty?

[FLB]

Wheres Rusty?

Between Bobby Hillin, Jr. (Miller suit) and Cale Yarborough (Hardee's suit). In the back row.

[red stick]

I can't believe what's happened.

 

 

I can identify every single one of these guys without looking it up. 

 

Kneeling (l to r): Neil Bonnett, Terry Labonte, Dale Earnhardt, Bill Elliott, Richard Petty

 

Standing (l to r): Morgan Shepherd, Tim Richmond, Bobby Allison, Darrell Waltrip, Harry Gant, Ricky Rudd, Kyle Petty, Davey Allison, Benny Parsons, Geoff Bodine, Buddy Baker, Bobby Hillin, Jr., Rusty Wallace, Cale Yarborough, Greg Sacks

 

 

I don't think I could do the same with 20 current Cup guys...

 

Ditto.  Of course, by my count, that photo covers 25 championships.

[Risil]

Tim Richmond wins "best moustache" contest hand(lebar)s down.

[FLB]

Tim Richmond wins "best moustache" contest hand(lebar)s down.

Yeah, but he was already suffering from AIDS at that point… 

[MightyMoose]

Can't believe anyone hasn't commentated on the "legendary" aspect of that photo..... even JJ noted it in his tweet.

 

Hint - Neil Bonnett had no idea what's over his shoulder ;)

[loki]

Nielsen Ratings 9.170 million

Daytona 500

 

 

Exactly as on above website

 

2019 Super Bowl 98 million.  We all know the split tanked the sport in terms of popularity and caused massive damage.  In the big picture 9 mil viewers isn’t that many considering something like The Masked Singer was getting more at one point.

 

This is fun but pointless. 

[John B]

Also one driver in the pic - Shepherd - is still active (as of several xfinity starts last year)!

[BiggestBuddyLazierFan]

So,NASCAR lost title sponsorship. Figures are going down. What will happen next!?

[John B]

Is this a next-gen Hendrick Camaro? Appears with an article about this year's car posted today

 

https://nascar.nbcsp...r-camaro-model/

[ensign14]

True.
Unfortunately the broadcasters and advertisers use the Bernie method of one eyeball =a view.
Jp

Half a view. 

[Branislav]

So,NASCAR lost title sponsorship. Figures are going down. What will happen next!?

You tell me looks like you know it

[Nathan]

So,NASCAR lost title sponsorship.

 

NASCAR turned down Monsters renewal offer.

 

In the big picture 9 mil viewers isn’t that many considering something like The Masked Singer was getting more at one point.

 

This is fun but pointless. 

 

9 million is a good crowd.  It may not compare to the Super bowl, but nothing does.  As far as sports go, networks would be ecstatic if a college bowl game, WWE or UFC event, or a primetime NBA game gets 2 million viewers.  For the 500 to get similar ratings as other niche premier events such as the final round of the Masters is pretty good. They greatly exceed numbers received by the MLB home run derby, tennis US Open, the Indy 500 etc..

[Branislav]

NASCAR is changing gears in 2021 with 6-speed transmission in new car, report says

 

NASCAR may be picking up speed in 2021. Two speeds, that is.

 

Hagerty reports that the next-generation NASCAR Cup Series car that is currently in development features a six-speed gearbox, up from four in today’s model.

 

Recent images of the car being tested by Joey Logano at Phoenix International Raceway revealed that it was equipped with the type of gear selector used with a sequential gearbox, rather than a traditional H-pattern unit. With a manual sequential setup, the driver taps the lever forward and backward to change gears in order, similar to the way a motorcycle operates.

 

Hagerty then spoke with engineers involved with the project at the recent Performance Racing Industry convention in Indianapolis who confirmed that the car is being developed with a six-speed Xtrac brand transaxle. It’s the same one used by the Australian Supercars series, which features cars that have some similarities to what NASCAR is working on for 2021, but competes exclusively on road and street courses.

 

Along with the extra gears, NASCAR previously confirmed that the new Cup cars will have independent rear suspensions, larger brakes and 18-inch wheels equipped with what Hagerty discovered are 14.3-inch wide tires, up from 10 inches on the current cars. In addition to making the cars more relevant to the production models they represent, the changes would make them better suited to racing on road and street courses, the latter reportedly under consideration to be added to the series as soon as 2021, when the new cars debut.

Edited by Branislav, 14 January 2020 - 12:55.

[Branislav]

NASCAR reduces downforce at short tracks, road courses for 2020 Cup Series

 

NASCAR officials announced rules changes Tuesday for the 2020 Cup Series season, introducing a reduced-downforce package designed to enhance competition on road courses and the circuit’s shorter oval tracks.

The changes include significantly smaller spoilers, splitters and other aerodynamic devices in an effort to place a greater emphasis on handling and driver input with less stabilizing downforce on those tracks. The package draws inspiration from similar rules used in the 2017-18 seasons.

“Our first and foremost core goal is to deliver great racing, and I think that we constantly evaluate the things that we do on the race track, however and wherever we need to, to improve that situation for them,” said John Probst, NASCAR Senior Vice President, Innovation and Racing Development. “And as part of our normal ongoing critique of ourselves and how we’re doing, we just felt like this was a good opportunity for us to improve the on-track product at the short tracks and road courses.”

Among the changes for those specific tracks:

• A significantly smaller rear spoiler, which shrinks from an 8-inch height to 2.75 inches.
• The front splitter’s overhang will now measure a quarter-inch (down from 2 inches), with approximately 2-inch wings (reduced from 10.5 inches).
• Alterations to the radiator pan, removing its vertical fencing in an effort to reduce front-end downforce. The dimensions of the pan remain the same.

The changes will be in effect for nine of the 24 layouts — three road courses and six ovals — that the NASCAR Cup Series will visit in 2020.

The six oval tracks that will use the new rules this season:

• Bristol Motor Speedway (.533 miles)
• Dover International Speedway (1 mile)
• Martinsville Speedway (.526 miles)
• New Hampshire Motor Speedway (1.058 miles)
• Phoenix Raceway (1 mile)
• Richmond Raceway (.75 miles)

All three road courses on the Cup Series schedule will have the new rules in place:

• Charlotte Motor Speedway Roval (2.28 miles)
• Sonoma Raceway (2.52 miles)
• Watkins Glen International (2.45 miles)

“When we consider changes to the aero package, we often can look back on our playbook, if you will, from seasons past,” Probst said, “and there’s obviously some trade-offs that you make between introducing something completely new that the industry has never seen versus something that we have run before where we have a playbook from our side and (teams) have setup books from their end. We felt like we were going to look at aero packages that we have run in the past, and looking back at a lot of competitive metrics that we track, we feel like the 2017 levels of downforce on those types of tracks had pretty good side-by-side racing that our fans enjoyed.

“So instead of just coming out and creating a completely new aero spec that’s unknown to possibly us and more importantly the industry, we felt like we’d go back to something that’s tried and true for us and go back to a package that we had run recently. At the same time, we did make some small adjustments to that package so that it would fit with our current intermediate speedway package so that we’d minimize further the necessity of the teams to have to develop this package.”

Probst said that the aerodynamic changes were met with a “broad base of support” in meetings that were initially held with stakeholders — spanning drivers, team engineers and managers, Goodyear representatives, manufacturers and broadcast partners — during NASCAR Champions Week in December at Nashville, Tennessee.

“Certainly from our standpoint, we feel like this is a step in the right direction to create more side-by-side, exciting moments during the race,” Probst said. “Obviously the proof will be in the pudding, but this is certainly something that we have run before that’s had good results.”

[jonpollak]

July 4th is a the road course race at IMS for the Xfinity series.
Could be fun !!!

I’ll watch
Jp

[Nathan]

Is the point of the six speeds to encourage gas saving talk during races?

[paulb]

It's not startet yet but Jimmie Johnson got this nice photo

www.dinnerwithracers.com, see episodes 139 and 140 and you will get the story. I’m through most of 139, truth is better than fiction.

Edited by paulb, 18 January 2020 - 00:49.

[Branislav]

In two weeks time Hailie Deegan will debut in Nascar ARCA series on Daytona International speedway

 

 

Good luck lady!

[Beri]

I almost forgot a new logo



Let stock car racing begin!

It might be a bit off for me to say it, as I've never followed NASCAR that intensively, but the Winston Cup sounds so much better than anything else that followed.

[Myrvold]

It might be a bit off for me to say it, as I've never followed NASCAR that intensively, but the Winston Cup sounds so much better than anything else that followed.

 

Nextel Cup worked fine as well, Sprint Cup was a bit off as it was far from a Sprint. Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series was a "bit" too much.

[ensign14]

I'm still surprised Sprint Cup was allowed given the Sprint Car series, someone should have taken legal action on that.  On top of which it confused the bejezus out of me because it made it sound like a secondary series.

[paulb]

In two weeks time Hailie Deegan will debut in Nascar ARCA series on Daytona International speedway
 

 
Good luck lady!

She just raced a Mustang in the Michelin Cup Challenge on the Friday before the Rolex. I saw her at the Roar.