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Indycar WatchParty: 1995 Grand Prix of Miami (ETA SUNDAY 7.30pm GMT)


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#1 Risil

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Posted 14 March 2020 - 23:22

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Greetings, future-dwellers! I come bearing a message from the year 1995. The western world is reeling from several years of economic prosperity. Israel and Palestine are at peace. Logan Paul is yet to be born. Children grow up in a world with little else to fear than postmodernism and the possibility that pop music has passed its peak.

Indycars have never been faster, although no one finds this surprising, and races have rarely been better attended or more ubiquitously promoted. But questions about its identity trouble the minds of those predisposed to mind trouble. The household names of Foyt, Andretti, Unser and Mansell have recently departed. Indianapolis Motor Speedway scion Tony George has opened his race track up to stock cars and announced optimistic plans to create an ovals-only rival Indycar championship, or “racing league” if you will. Competition between 3 chassis builders, 3 engine manufacturers and 2 tyre makers portends an arms race leading who knows where. And Roger Penske’s crushing success in 1994 with a bespoke chassis and trick Indy engine has nudged ajar the door to F1 style design departments and works engine contracts.

But these are the winners, losers and contradictions of a boom period. Grids are full. Cars are colourful. The racing is spectacular. The calendar contains 16 classic venues, plus New Hampshire. First up is the Grand Prix of Miami.

Where are we?
Longtime promoter of the IMSA Miami GP (and persuader of Emerson Fittipaldi to get back behind the wheel) Ralph Sanchez has taken his race to CART and laid plans for a new oval somewhere in Miami-Dade. However the oval has not yet been built, so the inaugural Indycar race will be held at the old IMSA circuit in Miami’s Bicentennial Park, running for some reason in the opposite direction. There is a new chicane on the main straight but otherwise it’s the same track raced on by Bob Wollek, Al Holbert, Nissans, Jaguars and Porsche 962s. (And, hair-raisingly, AMA Superbikes.) Anyway here's a map that looks like you'd expect to find buried treasure marked on it.
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Who’s racing?
The three Marlboro-themed Penskes that dominated 1994 have been downsized to two Marlboro themed Penskes. Al Unser, Jr, who scooped up the majority of wins in 1994, returns with the ill-fated #1 sticker, as does Emerson Fittipaldi who at 48 is the oldest full-timer in the field. The team has turned up with a brand-new Penske PC24 chassis, a 2.4 litre Ilmor turbo engine badged for the first time as a Mercedes-Benz, and like the majority of the field, trusty Goodyear tyres. Speaking of Penskes, Tony Bettenhausen is also running Stefan Johansson in last year’s car.
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Hero of 1993 Paul Tracy is no longer a Penske driver, although he does still have a contract with the Captain, and has turned up instead racing Lola-Fords for Paul Newman and Carl Haas. Newman-Haas have changed both drivers, with Mario Andretti heading for retirement and Nigel Mansell for McLaren. Their other slot is filled by the returning 1991 champion Michael Andretti, who had an odd but fairly successful 1994 picking up first Indycar victories for both Reynard and Chip Ganassi.
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Completing the (short) list of race winners in 1994 is Jacques Villeneuve, who’s driving a Player’s liveried Reynard-Ford for Team Green. Team owner Barry Green has split with co-owner Gerry Forsythe, who’s formed his own team running Teo Fabi in the main events and some kid called Greg Moore in Lights. If you believe the highlights reel, Villeneuve spent 1994 alternating between brilliant speed (a win at Road America and second place at Indy) and driving into Hiro Matsushita.
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Then in my head we have the second division of establishment type teams, which I consider to be Chip Ganassi Racing (Reynard-Ford), Walker Racing (also Reynard-Ford) and Rahal-Hogan (Lola-Mercedes). Chip Ganassi have signed up a couple of Young Americans, with Jimmy Vasser arriving from the venerable-but-defunct Hayhoe Racing and Bryan Herta from the venerable-and-operational Foyt Enterprises. Walker Racing have their own Young But Frightening American in Robby Gordon, who was one of only a few drivers in 1994 to give Team Penske much bother. Gordon is paired up with ex-Minardi and Footwork driver and nephew-of-Emerson Christian Fittipaldi. 1986 Indy 500 winner and three-time series champion Bobby Rahal is driving for himself, and has hired the solid and dependable ex-Group C guy Raul Boesel to not crash the second car.
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Firestone are returning to Indycar racing with their 1994 test team Patrick Racing, who’ve hired semi-veteran Scott Pruett to drive their single Lola-Ford, and straight outta Lights Tasman Motorsports, who have stuck rookie Andre Ribeiro in an LCI-sponsored (what’s an LCI?) Reynard-Honda. Bobby Rahal dumped Honda after a highly unsuccessful season in 1994 and the Japanese manufacturer is returning this year with considerably less fanfare and expectation.
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Bruce McCaw’s PacWest Racing have scored a couple of 1995 Reynards and the high-profile driver pairing of 1988 champion Danny Sullivan and F1 refugee Mo Gugelmin, who brings backing from the implausibly-named Hollywood cigarettes over from Chip Ganassi Racing. This is a big statement for a new team whose racing highlight so far is Dominic Dobson’s third place (of about four finishers) at the 1994 Michigan 500.
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1995 also sees the usual mix of no-hopers and intriguing dark horses including Dennis Vitolo at the brilliantly-named Pagan Racing, Gil de Ferran racing for Jim Hall, Adrian Fernandez at Galles, Eric Bachelart at Dale Coyne, Eliseo Salazar at Dick Simon Racing and Eddie Cheever at Foyt.
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Anyway, I propose we stick to routine and get things underway at 2.30pm US Eastern time / 7.30pm GMT. The video below is the best quality one I could find on Youtube. We can shout out timings periodically to help out any latecomers.



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#2 jonpollak

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Posted 14 March 2020 - 23:28

We can exist in a vacuum!!!!
Love it.
PS. Go JV

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#3 red stick

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 00:12

Bet RP is really looking forward to Indy. Can't wait!

#4 Risil

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 00:26

Hopes for a three-peat
took wing, but alas! brought down
to earth with a Bump

#5 paulb

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 00:45

Thank-you, Risil, Indycar fans will not be lacking in action to rally around.

This will help fill-in my lost Indycar years.

#6 FLB

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 01:31

Things I want to know:

 

 

1. Will Firestone's return be successful?

2. Who will fare better, Rahal or Honda? Green or Forsythe? Micheal Andretti or Chip Ganassi?

3. How many times will Micheal Andretti and Paul Tracy scream at each other?



#7 SophieB

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 06:56

I have genuinely no idea what happened in this race, the rules of it or who 80% of the drivers and teams are. I look forward to making some deeply insightful comments on it accordingly.



#8 Stephane

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 08:28

I watched it live but can't remember anything but the winner, whom i rooted for.



#9 H0R

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 08:41

I am not convinced of this Villeneuve kid, I have a feeling that Fittipaldi might win this season. In any case it will be some kind of Penske whtitewash now they have the fully Merc branded engine.


Edited by H0R, 15 March 2020 - 08:41.


#10 Risil

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 09:03

That new sticker is going to make all the difference!

#11 Knowlesy

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 09:26

Whisper it quietly, but I reckon Michael breaks that Indy duck this year.

#12 LucaP

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 10:59

I had completely forgotten about this tracks, seems Miami had at least 3 or 4 different street tracks in the 80-90s?

I remember Tamiami, Bayfront Park..

Edited by Luca Pacchiarini, 15 March 2020 - 10:59.


#13 Risil

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 11:22

I've not been to Miami (I've played GTA: Vice City a lot though) but I think Bicentennial Park is only a few blocks north of Bayfront Park, which is also where F1 is trying to hold a Grand Prix. Tamiami is a suburb at the edge of the city.

This is the circuit that IMSA GTPs used from the mid 80s to the early 90s. It's a bit of an oddball in Indycar history because racing in Miami switched to the Homestead oval the next year.

#14 ANF

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 12:08

Spotter guide?



#15 Beri

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 12:21

Awesome opening post! If only cars would still look like this..

#16 Risil

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 12:26

Spotter guide?

 
Here's one I found on the internet (isn't the internet wonderful?)
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#17 ANF

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 12:45

Thank you, internet!



#18 SophieB

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 12:49

Really rooting for PHOTO NOT AVAILABLE like crazy.



#19 thegforcemaybewithyou

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 12:50

Didn't know that Danner raced in the US, I'll root for him today. ;)



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#20 red stick

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 13:08

Current IndyCar commentators like to talk about deep the current field is historically, but that's a pretty stout lineup.   :up:

 

 

Bonus:  First legitimate Eddie Cheever sighting this month!  



#21 Risil

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 13:11

And of course Marco Greco. Possibly the only man to have raced against Eddie Lawson on two wheels and four.

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 13:24

I like Sullivan's car control at the Long Beach hairpin in the spotter's guide. 



#23 paulb

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 13:25

Just about every car has red as part of its livery.

#24 Risil

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 13:26

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Breaking news!! I've clicked the Simulate Session button and sometime grumpy cat impersonator Michael Andretti starts on pole with a best qualifying lap of 1:03.254. His 1994 teammate at Ganassi Mo Gugelmin, now of PacWest, starts alongside him on the front row. The top 12:

1. Michael Andretti 1:03.254 (Newman-Haas) - L/F/G
2. Mo Gugelmin +0.381 (PacWest) - R/F/G
3. Raul Boesel +0.435 (Rahal-Hogan) - L/M/G
4. Gil de Ferran R +0.519 (Hall) - R/M/G
5. Paul Tracy +0.544 (Newman-Haas) - L/F/G
6. Danny Sullivan +1.213 (PacWest) - R/F/G
7. Christian Fittipaldi R +0.964 (Walker) - R/F/G
8. Jacques Villeneuve +1.003 (Green) - R/F/G
9. Al Unser, Jr +1.154 (Penske) - P/M/G
10. Scott Pruett +1.292 (Patrick) - L/F/F
11. Bobby Rahal +1.331 (Rahal-Hogan) - L/M/G
12. Jimmy Vasser +1.349 (Ganassi) - R/F/G

Gordon 14th, Emerson Fittipaldi 16th, Danner 21st (sorry Gforce), Cheever 22nd. Dennis Vitolo, naturellement, starts last all by himself on the 14th row. It feels good to say 14th row. Not sure why they're not all lined up in speed order -- problem with my stats or is there something else going on?

Edit: FYI that mysterious code stands for chassis/engine/tyre.

L = Lola, P = Penske, R = Reynard
F = Ford, H = Honda, M = Mercedes
F = Firestone, G = Goodyear

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 13:30

chassis/engine/tire ?

#26 Risil

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 13:32

chassis/engine/tire ?

 

Zackly.



#27 thegforcemaybewithyou

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 13:32

Here's last year's season review in nine parts.

 

https://www.youtube....4C90CC7DC719180


Edited by thegforcemaybewithyou, 15 March 2020 - 13:34.


#28 Risil

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 13:41

I like Sullivan's car control at the Long Beach hairpin in the spotter's guide.


You win the spotter's badge! Look at that opposite lock!

#29 rghojai

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 16:23

I once bought a Mazda Rx-7 from someone related to the Pagans of Pagan Racing fame.



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Posted 15 March 2020 - 16:50

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Racing commentators rarely get as good as Bobby Unser, Sam Posey and Paul Page were. Those guys had IT.

 

And I miss Gary Gerould and Jack Arute's passion.


Edited by FLB, 15 March 2020 - 16:53.


#31 Risil

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 17:00

I've never heard two commentators bicker as much as Unser and Posey. Actually it was all one way. Posey seems like such a gentle soul.

Sadly this was an ESPN broadcast so it's Page and Derek Daly today.

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 17:06

I'm from the Sacramento, California area and Gary G. still does the radio broadcasts of Sacramento Kings basketball games. I stream the audio, listen w. headphones at work when it's the evening there, the next morning here.



#33 red stick

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 17:10

I've never heard two commentators bicker as much as Unser and Posey. Actually it was all one way. Posey seems like such a gentle soul.
 

Sam's pretty bright.  I think he liked to bait Unser and then just sit back and see where it went.    ;)



#34 ANF

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 17:13

Rooting for Eliseo Salazar ever since



#35 bargeboard

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 17:26

I've never heard two commentators bicker as much as Unser and Posey. Actually it was all one way. Posey seems like such a gentle soul.

Sadly this was an ESPN broadcast so it's Page and Derek Daly today.


Sam was always so good about just taking Bobby's barbs. But every now and again, he'd give one back and it would be awesome.

#36 paulb

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 18:17

13 minutes. Yay.

#37 jonpollak

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 18:23

Sam on Dinner with Racers is a lovely listen.

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#38 PiperPa42

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 18:29

13 minutes. Yay.

61 minutes ;)

#39 paulb

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 18:35

61 minutes ;)

2:30EST is nao. Had daylight savings change last week.

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#40 Risil

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 18:37

Oh SHIT

#41 Risil

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 18:37

I thought Americans changed after Europeans. Let's start in 53 mins. Apologies!

#42 Risil

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 18:38

I should've known better than think I understood time zones

#43 paulb

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 18:40

no worries! 50 more minutes of Indycar anticipation!

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 18:44

I thought Americans changed after Europeans. Let's start in 53 mins. Apologies!


Their summer is longer at both ends, changing before us and not changing back until after we have.

#45 thegforcemaybewithyou

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 18:52

So, what's the exact plan for later? Start the stream at 19:30 GMT or start the race at that time?



#46 Risil

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 18:55

Start the video. I had a quick look and the race starts after about 3 mins anyway. So you'll have to imagine 35 minutes of pre-race coverage by yourself.



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Posted 15 March 2020 - 18:56

Looking forward to rewatching Michael and Paul try to co-exist. In my opinion this is one of the best CART seasons ever.

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 18:56

I'm getting a head start because I have to go to work in a bit. What a stacked lineup!!! 



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Posted 15 March 2020 - 18:57

Looking forward to rewatching Michael and Paul try to co-exist. In my opinion this is one of the best CART seasons ever.


It can't be worse than Mario and Nigel. Or can it???



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Posted 15 March 2020 - 19:00

I thought Americans changed after Europeans. Let's start in 53 mins. Apologies!

 

When watching indycar, if the race start time isn't quite what you initially thought it would be it only adds to the realism