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#1 Michael Oliver

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Posted 16 June 2020 - 18:14

This is something I've been puzzling over for some time now and I have to admit I’m stuck. I am trying to find out from where/who/how Tim Parnell sourced his Formula 1 Lotus 18 that he raced in 1961. I've established beyond any doubt that the Parnell family raced two different Lotus 18s that year - Reg ran a 2.5-litre car in NZ Formule Libre and UK InterContinental races entered by his team Yeoman Credit Racing, while Tim ran his 1.5-litre car mostly in non-Championship Formula 1 races (although he also did the British and Italian GPs) and he also ran it with a 2.5-litre engine in two InterContinental races at Silverstone.

 

I feel sure that one of them was chassis 904 and I'm pretty certain now that it was the Yeoman Credit car. I've been through all the usual history books (F1R, Theme Lotus etc), so I am aware of what they say. I'm wondering if there is anyone still out there with first-hand knowledge of this or who can point me to contemporary evidence such as a magazine which mentions the origins of Tim's car?

 

I've gone through Autosport, Motor Sport and Motor Racing (but not Motoring News, as I don't have copies). I've also interviewed Gerry Ashmore, who was Tim's teammate in 1961 in the Parnell-Ashmore Racing Partnership and David Whitehurst, who was a young gofer with the team but unfortunately, neither remembers. Chris Ashmore, Gerry's younger brother, thinks that it was new from Lotus but the problem is that, if the Yeoman Credit car was 18-904, there is no other obvious candidate in the Lotus build records.

 

Possible clues: 1961 customer cars had a distinctive rollover hoop that was quite triangular in shape. The rollover hoop on Tim's car is different and looks a bit 'home made'. The car has a Lotus 5-speed sequential gearbox. Also the car has bodywork with 'Lotus Coventry Climax' script on the nose. This was only ever used on works Team Lotus cars in 1960 but I guess Tim could have simply bought a secondhand body section and kept the script because he liked it...

 

Finally, I would add that I’m looking for photos of the Yeoman Credit Lotus 18 driven in practice by Mike Parkes at the International Trophy, Silverstone, 06/05/1961, car no 9.

 

All suggestions welcome!

 



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#2 Graham Gauld

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Posted 16 June 2020 - 19:12

Michael

 

When I was writing Reg Parnell's biography I obviously talked to Tim about his own racing.  Regarding the Lotus 18 he said ".....when I saw how good the lotus 18 was I went to see Colin Champman and told him that I would like one as they looked pretty good to  me. Typically, Colin noticed a brand new one ready to be sent the next day to the USA and said ' Seeing it's you you can have that one'....to this day I dont know when that poor American guy every got his Lotus 18"   That car was chassis 904 which he ran for the first time on March 26 in the Lombank Trophy at Snetteron where he finished 5th.

Gerry Ashmores 18 was 910



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Posted 16 June 2020 - 19:49

For all to see:

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

RGDS RLT


Edited by Rupertlt1, 16 June 2020 - 19:53.


#4 Michael Oliver

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Posted 17 June 2020 - 10:41

 

Thanks Rupert, I was girding my loins to try and add some photos but frankly I didn't have the energy or patience last night!



#5 Michael Ferner

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Posted 17 June 2020 - 11:45

Michael, can you exclude the possibility that it was a Junior?



#6 Michael Oliver

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Posted 17 June 2020 - 11:53

Michael

 

When I was writing Reg Parnell's biography I obviously talked to Tim about his own racing.  Regarding the Lotus 18 he said ".....when I saw how good the lotus 18 was I went to see Colin Champman and told him that I would like one as they looked pretty good to  me. Typically, Colin noticed a brand new one ready to be sent the next day to the USA and said ' Seeing it's you you can have that one'....to this day I dont know when that poor American guy every got his Lotus 18"   That car was chassis 904 which he ran for the first time on March 26 in the Lombank Trophy at Snetteron where he finished 5th.

Gerry Ashmores 18 was 910

 

Graham

 

Many thanks for chiming in on this, your input is greatly appreciated. I did try and email you about your Reg Parnell book and whether you might be able to help on this but maybe the email address I have is wrong - perhaps you could send your contact details to me by private message?

 

While I don't wish to cast aspersions on Tim's memory as he can't defend himself, unfortunately what he related to you doesn't appear to align with the known facts. Chassis 18-904 was first delivered as a 1.5-litre Formula 2 car in 1960 to Reg Parnell (and there are several period references to this effect - that it was Reg's car, not Tim's). It appears to have had its first race in the Aintree Trophy Formula 2 race at Aintree on 1st August 1960, with Geoff Duke driving. Duke drove it in the Vanwall Trophy Formula 2 race at Snetterton on 6th August, the Kentish 100 Formula 2 race at Brands Hatch on 27th August, then Graham Hill drove it in the Danish Grand Prix at Roskilde on 10th/11th September, Tim raced it in the Flugplatzrennen Formula 2 race at Zeltweg on 18th September, Stirling Moss drove it in the Modena Grand Prix at Modena on 2nd October and finally Tim drove it again in the Preis von Tirol at Innsbruck on 8th October. I have photos of the car at all of these races and it is the same car throughout (although I would love to see a colour shot to see the body colour, I've only got black and whites).

 

A car that looks visually identical to the car entered by Reg in 1960 (I have several photos) was then taken by Reg's Yeoman Credit Racing team to New Zealand in early 1961 and competed in four races in January and February, fitted with a 2.5-litre engine, driven by Roy Salvadori. It then returned to the UK and took part in the InterContinental race at Goodwood on 3rd April, still fitted with the 2.5-litre engine, driven by Salvadori. At its next appearance, for the International Trophy InterContinental race on 6th May, again with the 2.5-litre engine, it was crashed by Mike Parkes in practice due to a broken track rod and badly damaged, perhaps written off.

 

In an interview with Reg Parnell in the December 1961 issue of Motor Racing magazine, he says that "At Goodwood, we also had the Lotus which we used in New Zealand; this car was crashed during practice for the Silverstone May meeting, and has not been rebuilt." However, I have a record that Yeoman Credit took delivery of a spare chassis with 'UDT-type bulkheads', eg an 18/21 chassis rather than a standard 18 chassis (therefore some time in the latter half of 1961 as this type only made its first appearance in June) so it is possible that this car was rebuilt with this chassis. My opinion is that this Yeoman Credit car, that was crashed by Parkes at Silverstone in May was 18-904.

 

Meanwhile, Tim appears in 1961 with a 1.5-litre car that looks very different visually to the Yeoman Credit car and competes in (or was scrutineered for) 17 races that year, including many after the event where Reg's Yeoman Credit car was badly damaged/written off and not rebuilt. It is this car that I do not know the origins of but for reasons I've outlined above, I do not think it can be 904. If you ore anyone else has a good photo of Tim's car at Snetterton in March, I'd be very interested to see it as I only have a far off shot which simply confirms it was a standard, slab-sided 18.

 

Where I could potentially get a little bit excited is the part of Tim's story that he told to you about him having a car due to go to the US the next day. There were no Formula 1 18s sold to the US in 1961 but he could have meant 'go to a US customer' because Lucky Castner of Camoradi did have one, possibly two 18s in 1961. I've always been a bit puzzled by something I've seen which refers to a F1 18 being cleaned and tidied up ready for collection by Lucky Castner in December 1960 and yet by all accounts Bob Wallace was still building the team's 18 in the transporter on the way down to the meeting at Pau on 3rd April 1961... So I suppose it is possible that Tim had a car originally intended for Castner.

 

It all depends on the timing of this incident Tim refers to, because a car was also ordered by Jim Hall and Carroll Shelby and made its first appearance at the US Grand Prix on 20th November 1960, so I suppose it could have been this one instead but the timing feels wrong seeing as Tim only did his first race with his car in March 1961. Of course, the 18 was first introduced at the Boxing Day Brands meeting in 1959, so there is a quite a window of time when Tim could have seen how good the 18 was and gone to see Colin Chapman as described. It is further complicated(!) by the fact that Tim took delivery of a Formula Junior Lotus 18 in 1960, first appearing at the International Trophy meeting at Silverstone on 14th May, so this whole story could perhaps have related to a Formula Junior 18 not a Formula 1 18 and him having a car that was due to go off to a US customer!

 

I think the only thing that is going to solve this would be a period document (such as an invoice) or some kind of reference to him having taken delivery of the car in a period magazine. Do you know if Tim was a member of a local car club or anything like that. I'm thinking that it might have been news that a member had taken delivery of a F1 car and could have been worthy of mention in a club newsletter or magazine? I suppose also a Derby local newspaper might have covered it.

 

Finally, I do not think that Gerry Ashmore's car can have been 910. I have a period document which talks about its preparation and shipment in November 1960 to a named customer (not Gerry). Gerry was entered for the Lombank Trophy at Snetterton on March 26th but was a DNA because the build of his car was not finished. He collected the car from the works three days later and his first race with it was the Preis von Wien at Aspern on April 16th. I spoke to Gerry on Friday and he confirmed that he had the last car off the production line.

 

My thanks to Mark Whitelock, Lotus 18 book author, for his help on researching some of this information.



#7 Michael Oliver

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Posted 17 June 2020 - 11:57

Michael, can you exclude the possibility that it was a Junior?

 

That thought did occur to me but my understanding is that the tube thickness on the FJs differs to the F1s and also the rear bulkhead on the FJs is quite different, a kind of triangular tube arrangement on the FJs but a full perforated square-ish bulkhead as per the cockpit bulkhead on the F1s.



#8 Doug Nye

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Posted 17 June 2020 - 12:16

The FJ 18 frame was indeed very different - simpler and cheaper - from the contemporary F2-F1 frame - despite sharing the Type 18 title.

 

1960 Lotus 18 F1-F2 rear bay

 

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1960 Lotus 18 FJ rear bay

 

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Screenshots from the exceptional Revs Digital Library site

 

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#9 Michael Ferner

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Posted 17 June 2020 - 12:29

Yes, I know, but it's not beyond possible that someone could've taken a Junior frame, beef it up a little and use it for 1.5-litre F 1, no? Without looking it up, I think it was done by one or two others!?!



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Posted 17 June 2020 - 13:32

Not really - smaller-gauge tube through mainframe if I recall correctly - and remember that in 1960 there was an enormous difference in torque to be resisted between 2.5-litre F1 and 1-litre FJ.  Come 1961 there was a lower demand difference between mere 1.5-litre F1 and 1-litre FJ but - again - the FJ frame would have had a torrid time...

 

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Edited by Doug Nye, 17 June 2020 - 13:32.


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Posted 17 June 2020 - 13:37

Can`t find the thread, have a copy of the info so I quote Roger Clark. "International Trophy 1961:

Motor Sport said that his car was loaned to YC by Rob Walker and that he crashed during practice, possibly due to broken suspension.

The Black Book says that the Walker Lotus was loaned to UDT/Laystall (BRP) for Henry Taylor. The Black Book says that Parkes` car was Chassis 901,

which  is generally reckoned to be the Lotus-Vanwall which appeared briefly at the end of 1960, Theme Lotus makes no mention of Parkes`car

but David McKinney`s notes say it was 904. 904 is recorded as having been run by YC in other IC races.

The grid, as published in Autosport shows a gap on the third row where Parkes (1`37.2``) would have been which may suggest that his withdrawal came late,

after the grid positions had been published."

The race list of brother Johnnie Parkes says: DNS, crash during warm-up but with a ?

But no pictures...



#12 Tim Murray

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Posted 17 June 2020 - 14:04

Here’s the thread, with Roger’s contribution above as post 3:

Mike Parkes UK races 1960/62?

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Posted 17 June 2020 - 14:49

A very rare shot of the Lotus-Vanwall 18's business end - from The GP Library.

 

GPL-1960-61-LOTUS-VANWALL-18-2.jpg

 

DCN



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Posted 17 June 2020 - 15:10

"Gary Hocking. of Rhodesia. who last June announced his retirement from the track, makes his competition debut on four wheels at the August Bank Holiday Monday meeting at Mallory Park. near Leicester. In the unlimited capacity racing car event he will drive a Grand Prix Lotus, loaned by Derby driver, Tim Parnell. who is ill."

Newcastle Evening ChronicleThursday 2 August 1962

 

Is this the car at Mallory Park, 11 June 1962?

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

Colotti gearbox?

 

RGDS RLT


Edited by Rupertlt1, 18 June 2020 - 00:43.


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Posted 18 June 2020 - 04:51

Would Sports Car & Lotus Owner and BARC Gazette be a potential source?

 

 

Stephen



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Posted 18 June 2020 - 18:09

Brussels Grand Prix, 9 April 1961, #24 André Pilette:

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

"A quite standard F.2 Lotus-Climax from last year was loaned by Tim Parnell to Andre Pilette..."

Motor Sport, May 1961, Page 367

 

RGDS RLT


Edited by Rupertlt1, 18 June 2020 - 20:03.


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Posted 18 June 2020 - 23:11

3rd Grand Prix of the United States

Watkins Glen, 8 October 1961

"A new LOTUS bought by John Wyatt, was confided to the national champion of the Sports Car Club of America, Roger Penske, and Jim Hall's old LOTUS was driven by Lloyd Ruby — the only representative of the United States Automobile Club."

Automobile Year, 1961-1962, Page 152

 

Jim Hall at Riverside, 20 November 1960:

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

Here is Ian Burgess, Zandvoort, 22 May 1961 (Camoradi — he is Lloyd 'Lucky' Casner):

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

RGDS RLT


Edited by Rupertlt1, 19 June 2020 - 00:18.


#18 Michael Oliver

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Posted 19 June 2020 - 22:47

Can`t find the thread, have a copy of the info so I quote Roger Clark. "International Trophy 1961:

Motor Sport said that his car was loaned to YC by Rob Walker and that he crashed during practice, possibly due to broken suspension.

The Black Book says that the Walker Lotus was loaned to UDT/Laystall (BRP) for Henry Taylor. The Black Book says that Parkes` car was Chassis 901,

which  is generally reckoned to be the Lotus-Vanwall which appeared briefly at the end of 1960, Theme Lotus makes no mention of Parkes`car

but David McKinney`s notes say it was 904. 904 is recorded as having been run by YC in other IC races.

The grid, as published in Autosport shows a gap on the third row where Parkes (1`37.2``) would have been which may suggest that his withdrawal came late,

after the grid positions had been published."

The race list of brother Johnnie Parkes says: DNS, crash during warm-up but with a ?

But no pictures...

 

Many thanks for this - very comprehensive! I have a photo of Henry Taylor sitting in the Rob Walker Lotus at the International Trophy meeting, so I think we can be sure it was loaned to UDT not to Yeoman Credit. I'm sorry to say that the Black Book is wrong when it says Parkes' car was 901. I have a direct quote from Reg Parnell, Motor Racing December 1961 in which he says they used the same car in NZ in Jan/Feb, at Goodwood InterContinental and that it was crashed by Mike Parkes at Silverstone and had not been rebuilt. I have been in touch with John and Annabel Parkes but they couldn't add to what they say on their website. And, as you say, no pictures...a bit frustrating!

 

I agree that it is most likely to have been 904 but I still don't know what Tim Parnell's regular 1961 car was...



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Posted 19 June 2020 - 22:49

A very rare shot of the Lotus-Vanwall 18's business end - from The GP Library.

 

......

 

DCN

 

Thanks Doug, that is a rare image indeed, as you say. I've only ever seen one other photo of this car.



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#20 Michael Oliver

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Posted 19 June 2020 - 22:51

Here’s the thread, with Roger’s contribution above as post 3:

Mike Parkes UK races 1960/62?

 

Thanks Tim.



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Posted 19 June 2020 - 22:55

"Gary Hocking. of Rhodesia. who last June announced his retirement from the track, makes his competition debut on four wheels at the August Bank Holiday Monday meeting at Mallory Park. near Leicester. In the unlimited capacity racing car event he will drive a Grand Prix Lotus, loaned by Derby driver, Tim Parnell. who is ill."

Newcastle Evening ChronicleThursday 2 August 1962

 

Is this the car at Mallory Park, 11 June 1962?

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

Colotti gearbox?

 

RGDS RLT

 

Rupert, thanks for the Hocking quote. This is referring to P2, which was Tim Parnell's car in 1962 and was fitted with a Colotti Type 32 box. So this is a different car to Tim's 1961 mount.



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Posted 19 June 2020 - 23:17

Brussels Grand Prix, 9 April 1961, #24 André Pilette:

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

"A quite standard F.2 Lotus-Climax from last year was loaned by Tim Parnell to Andre Pilette..."

Motor Sport, May 1961, Page 367

 

RGDS RLT

 

Thanks Rupert, I'd seen the first shot between the houses but not the other two, so good spot! It's interesting that it was described by DSJ as a 'quite standard F2 Lotus-Climax from last year' but that just reflects the fact that it was running a 1.5-litre engine, which it would have been running in F2 races in 1960 anyway. It's just that I have no idea which one!



#23 Michael Oliver

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Posted 19 June 2020 - 23:21

3rd Grand Prix of the United States

Watkins Glen, 8 October 1961

"A new LOTUS bought by John Wyatt, was confided to the national champion of the Sports Car Club of America, Roger Penske, and Jim Hall's old LOTUS was driven by Lloyd Ruby — the only representative of the United States Automobile Club."

Automobile Year, 1961-1962, Page 152

 

Jim Hall at Riverside, 20 November 1960:

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

Here is Ian Burgess, Zandvoort, 22 May 1961 (Camoradi — he is Lloyd 'Lucky' Casner):

 

https://library.revs...ion=p17257coll1

 

RGDS RLT

 

Thanks, I'd seen these shots. Don't know what happened to the Penske car as he didn't race in the US GP. I am not familiar with John Wyatt, but then again I don't want to stray off-topic from what Tim Parnell's car was in 1961!


Edited by Michael Oliver, 19 June 2020 - 23:29.


#24 Michael Oliver

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Posted 19 June 2020 - 23:26

Would Sports Car & Lotus Owner and BARC Gazette be a potential source?

 

 

Stephen

 

Yes, Stephen, that's a good call. Frustratingly, I have for the time being mislaid my SC&LOs, although I must have gone through them at some time as I have one or two references from 1961 issues in my database. I don't have any copies of the BARC Gazette, so that's not an option for me, unfortunately.



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Posted 20 June 2020 - 13:22

Michael,

 

Have you seen this?

 

https://www.technisc.../articleid/2269

 

AFAIK the BARC Gazette is available for viewing by appointment at BARC HQ, Thruxton. I don't want to pour cold water but it is not known as a technical source.

 

(John M. Wyatt III, Richmond VA, was an early sponsor/mentor/manager for Roger Penske. He was also the cutout man in the SCCA amateur vs. professional war that raged at that time, protecting Penske's amateur status by demonstrating that he, Penske, did not receive payment for competition. Penske drove a Cooper at Watkins Glen, 8 October 1961? Did a Lotus fail to materialise?)

 

RGDS RLT  

 

  


Edited by Rupertlt1, 20 June 2020 - 14:04.


#26 Michael Oliver

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Posted 20 June 2020 - 22:11

Thanks Rupert, yes I've got all the TMW images. Unlikely that I'll be able to get to Thruxton for a while but that's good to know. As far as I know, no Lotus materialised for Penske. I'm thinking a local newspaper in Derby might have covered Parnell's new car but it's a bit of a long shot!

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Posted 21 June 2020 - 00:00

Some confusion as to whether Reg or Tim drove in the wet British Grand Prix at Aintree, 15 July 1961.

"Private entries with old-type Lotus-Climax cars came from R.H.H. Parnell" etc.

"All these had been seen before in Formula One racing at some time or other,..."

Retired 12 laps, clutch.

 

See here quick: https://www.worthpoi...limax-238222634

Note distinctive tubing/pipework on #23, also bonnet scoop - not at Grand Prix? 

 

RGDS RLT  


Edited by Rupertlt1, 21 June 2020 - 00:07.


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Posted 21 June 2020 - 00:30

R. H. H. Parnell was ‘Tim’, not Reg.

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Just so I'm somewhere near the correct page with this, the Roy Salvadori Lotus 18 ran under the Reg Parnell / Yeoman Credit banner in New Zealand in Jan/Early Feb 1961. With Jo Bonnier in a YC Cooper. Correct? 

 

The YC Cooper ran its typical colours, whereas the Lotus appears to be quite likely in dark green (TL colour, perhaps - viewing from b&w photos). No roll bar and extra deflector on windscreen and black 'wobblies' (they are darker than the body).

 

It was of course one of 5 F1 spec Lotus 18 that were on Kiwi soil that January. The others - three TL for Innes, John Surtees and Jim Clark and Stirling's RRCW car. So quite likely all were shipped from  Riverside at the completion of November 1960 US GP?

 

I haven't gone looking in period source material, but did they all go back to the UK after some cars ran at Warwick Farm & Ballarat in Australia?

 

Marc Schagen associates Tim Parnell with the ex UDT/Laystall '917' that John Dawson-Damer would bring to Australia in the 70s. That would appear to be the only 'resident' F1 spec 18.

 

 

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Posted 21 June 2020 - 03:05

See book: Lotus 18: Colin Chapman’s U-turn, by Mark Whitelock, Page 165.

Says Tim Parnell car is ex-Salvadori.

 

RGDS RLT


Edited by Rupertlt1, 21 June 2020 - 03:08.


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Posted 21 June 2020 - 07:18

See here quick: https://www.worthpoi...limax-238222634
Note distinctive tubing/pipework on #23, also bonnet scoop - not at Grand Prix?


Probably the British Empire Trophy at Silverstone, 8th July 1961 (Intercontinental Formula race). Tim’s Lotus 18 was #23 in that race, and the background looks like Silverstone.

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Posted 22 June 2020 - 02:08

Michael/Rupert, more clues might be found from the front view photo of the Salvadori/YC Lotus 18 published in the Feb 61 Teretonga report of April 61 Sporting Motorist.

 

There's a bit more on the YC NZ and Brabham Cooper in Australia goings on 'Roy Salvadori Racing Driver' page 168-170ish. It won't tell you much about which Lotus though, but will tell you the dangers of flying with Innes! Plus, unfortunately somehow Albury became Albany relating to the Brabham Cooper he used at Longford and Hume Weir (near Albury/Wodonga) in March 61. A very long way from Albany.

 

 

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Posted 24 June 2020 - 17:24

Some confusion as to whether Reg or Tim drove in the wet British Grand Prix at Aintree, 15 July 1961.

"Private entries with old-type Lotus-Climax cars came from R.H.H. Parnell" etc.

"All these had been seen before in Formula One racing at some time or other,..."

Retired 12 laps, clutch.

 

See here quick: https://www.worthpoi...limax-238222634

Note distinctive tubing/pipework on #23, also bonnet scoop - not at Grand Prix? 

 

RGDS RLT  

 

Sorry, haven't checked in for a couple of days and the thread kicks off! Thanks for this pic, it's a new one I've not seen. This is Tim and he was, as far as I can tell, only #23 once, which as Tim Murray points out a bit further down the thread, was at the British Empire Trophy InterContinental race. I think the scoop first appeared at the Silver City Trophy on 3rd June but it could have been present at the International Trophy, I don't have a whole-of-car shot of Parnell's car from that meeting. I'm not sure the tubing/pipework is distinctive?



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Posted 24 June 2020 - 18:11

Just so I'm somewhere near the correct page with this, the Roy Salvadori Lotus 18 ran under the Reg Parnell / Yeoman Credit banner in New Zealand in Jan/Early Feb 1961. With Jo Bonnier in a YC Cooper. Correct? 

 

The YC Cooper ran its typical colours, whereas the Lotus appears to be quite likely in dark green (TL colour, perhaps - viewing from b&w photos). No roll bar and extra deflector on windscreen and black 'wobblies' (they are darker than the body).

 

It was of course one of 5 F1 spec Lotus 18 that were on Kiwi soil that January. The others - three TL for Innes, John Surtees and Jim Clark and Stirling's RRCW car. So quite likely all were shipped from  Riverside at the completion of November 1960 US GP?

 

I haven't gone looking in period source material, but did they all go back to the UK after some cars ran at Warwick Farm & Ballarat in Australia?

 

Marc Schagen associates Tim Parnell with the ex UDT/Laystall '917' that John Dawson-Damer would bring to Australia in the 70s. That would appear to be the only 'resident' F1 spec 18.

 

 

Stephen

 

Yes, that's correct Stephen. Although the Salvadori 18 was a dark blue, according to colour footage shot at the NZ Grand Prix at Ardmore which is on YouTube. Yeoman Credit ran in a dark blue with red noseband running a narrow central stripe in 1961, so that would match with their new colours for the season (although I don't think the car had the red strip during its NZ tour). I think you are correct that some of the cars would have gone direct from the US GP but - again, as far as I know at this point - the car used by Salvadori didn't take part in that event.

 

The Yeoman Credit Lotus doesn't seem to have made the trip to Australia for those races you mention, instead it stayed in NZ and did a race at Teretonga on Feb 4th, where the team's cars finished 1-2, with Bonnier leading home Salvadori.

 

I think Marc says that it went to Tim Parnell in late 1962, which quite a lot of the UDT-Laystall 18s and parts did but that is a different car to Tim's 1961 F1 car, 917 hadn't even been delivered to UDT-Laystall by the time Tim made his first appearance in his car.

 

In your later post you mention the photo in the Feb 61 Teretonga report in April 61 Sporting Motorist. I have one photo from that event but what are the chances of your being able to scan and email me that report?! I've checked on eBay and the April issue is pretty much the only one from 1961 that isn't available! Thanks also for the reference to the Salvadori book, I don't have a copy but might be able to source one on eBay.



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Posted 24 June 2020 - 18:18

See book: Lotus 18: Colin Chapman’s U-turn, by Mark Whitelock, Page 165.

Says Tim Parnell car is ex-Salvadori.

 

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Yes, thanks, I have that book. Unfortunately, that cannot be so. I have a reference attributed to Reg Parnell himself that the Salvadori car raced in NZ in early 1961 was raced by Salvadori at Goodwood in April and entered by Yeoman Credit at Silverstone in May for Mike Parkes (practice crash), a race at which Tim Parnell was also present with his Lotus 18. There are also clear visual similarities between the car raced in NZ by Salvadori and the one he raced at Goodwood, whereas the Tim Parnell car is quite different in terms of the main body section, which only has one hole for the fuel filler, whereas the 1960 Parnell 904 and the Salvadori NZ/Goodwood car has the holes for both the fuel filler and oil tank filler.



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Posted 25 June 2020 - 00:52

Michael is that this film with Dunedin first and then Roy sitting in the car at Ardmore doing a mirror check at the 4m49s mark? From the brief bit I pick up under the windscreen and inside of the open engine cover (against Jo Bonnier) looks more TL green than the new YC blue (and looking again it probably is a TL car as it doesn't have the extra wind deflector). But then in the brief glimpse around the race start at 5m19 it does look slightly different to the Ireland car ( II is second row, second car across from the camera. RS is third car).

 

 

 

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Posted 25 June 2020 - 07:40

Yes, thanks, I have that book. Unfortunately, that cannot be so. I have a reference attributed to Reg Parnell himself that the Salvadori car raced in NZ in early 1961 was raced by Salvadori at Goodwood in April and entered by Yeoman Credit at Silverstone in May for Mike Parkes (practice crash), a race at which Tim Parnell was also present with his Lotus 18. There are also clear visual similarities between the car raced in NZ by Salvadori and the one he raced at Goodwood, whereas the Tim Parnell car is quite different in terms of the main body section, which only has one hole for the fuel filler, whereas the 1960 Parnell 904 and the Salvadori NZ/Goodwood car has the holes for both the fuel filler and oil tank filler.

There were two changes to the Formula 1 regulations i 1961 which may explain the bodywork changes that Michael refers to. 
 

One was the ban on adding oil during the race which meant there was no longer a need foe easy access to the oil filler. The other was the requirement that fuel fillers be covered by the bodywork. This is, I think, the reason for the scoop that has been mentioned above. You can see a similar attachment on the Team Lotus 18s early in the season. The rule wasn’t enforced early in the year and the filler is exposed in the Brussels race. 
 

I don’t think this helps Michael very much though the tacked on nature of the filler cover might suggest that it’s not a new car. 



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Posted 26 June 2020 - 01:10

Michael, I had a thought before that Gillian Stillwell would be a possible to know these details. She was Bib's wife from 1965, but before then her skills helped John Wyer and Reg Parnell, under her maiden name of Gillian Harris.

 

She is mentioned and shown in Reg Parnell's team management feature in Motor Racing Year 1962-63 and now defunct Aussie magazine, Motor Sport Legends did a feature on her in 2012.

 

So getting to the point I thought I'll do a quick google before tapping anything here. Unfortunately the first thing that comes up is her death notice from The Age, just 6 weeks ago!

 

I will now post something in 'Mentioned in passing' because she was held in high regard with Reg Parnell and no doubt many others around motor racing in those days.

 

 

Stephen



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Posted 27 June 2020 - 13:56

As stated in post #27 the Tim Parnell car was a known quantity. Could not the 'Lotus Coventry Climax' script on the nose be there because it was an ex-works Team Lotus car?

The cars ran without rollbars in 1960?

 

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Posted 27 June 2020 - 15:15

Yes - no roll-OVER bars required in 1960 F1 and F2 - but such bars were mandatory in 1960 FJunior - thebeing made mandatory for 1961 F1.

 

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Posted 28 June 2020 - 06:46

Simply because it's available online from Motor Sport's archive, Simon Taylor's Lunch with Tim Parnell

 

https://www.motorspo...withtim-parnell

 

 

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 13:33

Michael is that this film with Dunedin first and then Roy sitting in the car at Ardmore doing a mirror check at the 4m49s mark? From the brief bit I pick up under the windscreen and inside of the open engine cover (against Jo Bonnier) looks more TL green than the new YC blue (and looking again it probably is a TL car as it doesn't have the extra wind deflector). But then in the brief glimpse around the race start at 5m19 it does look slightly different to the Ireland car ( II is second row, second car across from the camera. RS is third car).

 

 

 

Stephen

 

Thanks Stephen. The Ardmore race was the first in that car for Salvadori. I think the screen flick-up must have been added after that race as I have a pic of it sat in a garage in Auckland with the flick-up in place. It is very difficult to see the body colour from that close-up at 4:49 on the film but when you watch the start (and I've screen-grabbed it), the car definitely looks dark blue, particularly when viewed against the Team Lotus BRG cars around it.



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Posted 30 June 2020 - 13:44

There were two changes to the Formula 1 regulations i 1961 which may explain the bodywork changes that Michael refers to. 
 

One was the ban on adding oil during the race which meant there was no longer a need foe easy access to the oil filler. The other was the requirement that fuel fillers be covered by the bodywork. This is, I think, the reason for the scoop that has been mentioned above. You can see a similar attachment on the Team Lotus 18s early in the season. The rule wasn’t enforced early in the year and the filler is exposed in the Brussels race. 
 

I don’t think this helps Michael very much though the tacked on nature of the filler cover might suggest that it’s not a new car. 

 

Thanks Roger that's a very good point about the filler being covered by bodywork. Maybe it was added to the Parnell car (which up to that point had only competed in non-Championship races) because the following month he was going to compete in the British GP and knew that regs would be rigidly enforced. Or perhaps, the scrutineers got better at doing their job as the year went on... It looks as if the rule wasn't applied to all races, as I have pics of the works 18s competing in non-Championship and InterContinental races with the fuel filler exposed and, similarly, I have a pic of an 18 competing in an international race in New Zealand in 1962 and the fuel filler is still exposed. The scoop covering on the Parnell car is very similar to the solution adopted by the UDT-Laystall on their slab-sided 18s in the first couple of GPs before the 18/21s came along.



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Posted 30 June 2020 - 13:47

Michael, I had a thought before that Gillian Stillwell would be a possible to know these details. She was Bib's wife from 1965, but before then her skills helped John Wyer and Reg Parnell, under her maiden name of Gillian Harris.

 

She is mentioned and shown in Reg Parnell's team management feature in Motor Racing Year 1962-63 and now defunct Aussie magazine, Motor Sport Legends did a feature on her in 2012.

 

So getting to the point I thought I'll do a quick google before tapping anything here. Unfortunately the first thing that comes up is her death notice from The Age, just 6 weeks ago!

 

I will now post something in 'Mentioned in passing' because she was held in high regard with Reg Parnell and no doubt many others around motor racing in those days.

 

 

Stephen

 

I had exactly the same thought Stephen but alas, also too late, and also came across an obituary for her on the Stillwell Motor Group website...



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Posted 30 June 2020 - 14:01

As stated in post #27 the Tim Parnell car was a known quantity. Could not the 'Lotus Coventry Climax' script on the nose be there because it was an ex-works Team Lotus car?

The cars ran without rollbars in 1960?

 

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I'm not sure what you mean when you say that the Tim Parnell car 'was a known quantity' Rupert? It had competed in a number of races both in the UK and Europe by the time it appeared at the British Grand Prix, if that's what you mean?

 

It being an ex-works Team Lotus car is an option I haven't ruled out, although in 1960 all the cars ran with front body sections with holes for oil and fuel fillers, whereas Tim's doesn't have that. I guess he could just have liked the 'Lotus Coventry Climax' script and asked for one from the works? I guess if he hadn't bought a car from them this might seem a bit cheeky, so perhaps it suggests he did do so. It's just that there aren't any obvious candidates, other than the ex-Stacey car and there's no record of a car being sold to him. Of course, one could have been sold for cash...directly from Team Lotus rather than Lotus Components. And, as you point out, that might explain why a fairly 'home-made'-looking rollover bar had to be tacked on for 1961.



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Posted 30 June 2020 - 18:46

Michael,

 

The quotes at post #27 ref Aintree 1961 are from Motor Sport:

"Private entries with old-type Lotus-Climax cars came from R.H.H. Parnell" etc.

"All these had been seen before in Formula One racing at some time or other,..."

I am suggesting that the script on the nose was there because it was an ex-works Team Lotus  car - more likely than a nose acquired separately?

 

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Posted 02 July 2020 - 12:35

Michael,

 

The quotes at post #27 ref Aintree 1961 are from Motor Sport:

"Private entries with old-type Lotus-Climax cars came from R.H.H. Parnell" etc.

"All these had been seen before in Formula One racing at some time or other,..."

I am suggesting that the script on the nose was there because it was an ex-works Team Lotus  car - more likely than a nose acquired separately?

 

RGDS RLT

 

And therein lies the problem: 1960 works cars were 369, 370, 371, 372, 373 and 374

 

369 - written off in Mike Taylor's Spa practice crash

370 - written off in Alan Stacey's Spa race crash

371 - used by Team Lotus for majority of 1961 season, modified for US GP to 18/21 specification 1961

372 - used by Team Lotus for majority of 1961 season,modified for US GP to 18/21 specification 1961

373 - sold to Scuderia Colonia for 1961

374 - used by Team Lotus in first half of 1961, sold to Jim Diggory.

 

Re the posts in Motor Sport, I'm not sure what it tells us, unfortunately. They were described as old-type Lotus-Climax cars to distinguish them from the 1961 Lotus 21s and the 'new-type' 18/21s, plus I take it to mean when they say 'All these had been seen before in Formula One racing' to mean that they had all previous appeared in Formula One races before (as opposed to World Championship Grand Prix rounds), which the Parnell car had, as it had taken in several non-Championship events in the UK and Europe by this point in 1961, so it was a car the writer had seen before.



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Posted 02 July 2020 - 18:28

Could it be an ex-F2 car from 1960?

 

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