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[SophieB]

"Firstly he didn't really get past, he forced both of us off the track," Ricciardo said to Sky Sports F1.

"I'll always be critical of myself and I should of closed the door but I don't think he was ever making the move so I think it was desperate

"I think Lando was coming and I think he had to do something otherwise Lando was going to eat him up. I take the apex and we crash, so that is a frustrating end and we lost a position to Lando.”

https://www.autospor...ld-be-penalised

 

[Stephane]

He should of

[Mat13]

He should of

The author should of proof-checked his article, he could of looked foolish.

[TheMidnight]

Pot kettle black....

How many times has Ric divebombed and risked a crash?

[NotAPineapple]

Pot kettle black....

How many times has Ric divebombed and risked a crash?

 

The only time he has done something similar was France last year and he was penalised.

 

Or do you have examples to the contrary?

[Ivanhoe]

Pot kettle black....

How many times has Ric divebombed and risked a crash?

He always made the corner at least, Stroll was dive bombing off track

[Myrvold]

Pot kettle black....

How many times has Ric divebombed and risked a crash?

 

A divebomb where you stay on the track is often a better move than running yourself, and another driver off the track.

I appreciate the effort, but he should've had a 5 sec penalty which would've swapped Stroll and Ricciardo around on the results. Stroll never made the move stick, but gained a position by forcing another driver off the track.

[coppilcus]

The master of the 'desperate dive bombs' can surely judge a desperate move...

 

But this one we could tell that was tough but at the edge of the seat in a complicated race. Stroll did not intentionally pushed Ricciardo to gain an advantage, both were braking soooo late...

[coppilcus]

The only time he has done something similar was France last year and he was penalised.

 

Or do you have examples to the contrary?

 

Baku...

[Ali623]

It was a clumsily done move by Stroll, but probably fair.

[Atreiu]

Pot kettle black....

How many times has Ric divebombed and risked a crash?

Every move risks a crash, but the issue here is how both of them had to go completely off the track.

[Heyli]

Baku...

I doubt he went off track in Baku to gain a position...

[Heyli]

Clear penalty imo. Gaining a position while going off track. RP should have told him to give it back.

[NotAPineapple]

Baku...

They were both reprimanded as they both played a role. 

 

Nice try, any real ones?

[Fastcake]

I was surprised he didn't get a penalty. In my eyes it seemed worse than Hamilton's incident last week, which was indeed penalised.

 

In addition, as Stroll went straight off the circuit with that move, he should have given way to Norris instead of blocking him in after rejoining.

[Marklar]

If Ricciardo really said "should of" he deserves a penalty 

[Muppetmad]

It's hard to find incidents which so obviously deserve a penalty as this one. Allowing moves like this to stand is entirely antithetical to maintaining good racing practice.

[coppilcus]

They were both reprimanded as they both played a role. 

 

Nice try, any real ones?

 

Both played a role... Nice one!

 

https://www.formula1...JAxAvT0Ffx.html

 

Only one ridiculed himself with a desperate dive-bomb. Such things happen when you don't have Red Bull's downforce!

[CSF]

Ping Pong was Ping Ponged. 

[Lights]

It was a clumsily done move by Stroll, but probably fair.

 

How was this fair? Ricciardo was pushed off track by someone who himself went off track to complete the 'overtake'. Nothing fair about it.

 

Ricciardo could've ended up 5th and instead finished 8th.

 

He has every right to be pissed off at that.

 

The stewards however are a mess so they decided 'no further action' on this 'race incident':

 

Decision

No further action.

 

Reason

The Stewards reviewed video evidence.

The driver of Car 18 made an attempt to overtake Car 3 on the inside on the approach to turn 3, causing both cars to leave the track shortly after the apex of turn 3. After reviewing the video evidence available, the Stewards determine that the incident is considered a race incident.

 

A joke really. Stroll stole a place.

Edited by Lights, 12 July 2020 - 19:35.

[NotAPineapple]

Both played a role... Nice one!

 

Stewards words my friend.

 

So any valid examples or can we call this a day?

[Vesuvius]

Ricciardo (while I think he is correct) is the one to say, he has done similar moves, without getting penalty.

[B38]

Slam dunk penalty.

[Ivanhoe]

Ricciardo (while I think he is correct) is the one to say, he has done similar moves, without getting penalty.

Show me one example where he went off track, crowding the car he overtakes off track as well and gaining a position without being penalised. Stroll just overshot the corner, no excuses.

Edited by Ivanhoe, 12 July 2020 - 19:42.

[mclara]

How was this fair? Ricciardo was pushed off track by someone who himself went off track to complete the 'overtake'. Nothing fair about it.

Ricciardo could've ended up 5th and instead finished 8th.

He has every right to be pissed off at that.

The stewards however are a mess so they decided 'no further action' on this 'race incident':


A joke really. Stroll stole a place.

Can the team protest the decision from the stewards?

[coppilcus]

Stewards words my friend.

 

So any valid examples or can we call this a day?

 

You have a very creative mind:

 

https://www.fia.com/...ts//event/27075

[tagy22]

Should have been a penalty all day long.

[Squeed]

Every move risks a crash, but the issue here is how both of them had to go completely off the track.

 

 

Every move risks a crash, but the issue here is how both of them had to go completely off the track.

exceeding track limits to gain a position.

[Squeed]

It was an obvious penalty.  The inconsistency with stewards is maddening.

[Ivanhoe]

Can the team protest the decision from the stewards?

They can if they have new evidence. Against the decision they’d have to go to the Court of Appeal. Don’t think they’ll do that.

[milestone 11]

Absolutely a penalty.

[NotAPineapple]

You have a very creative mind:

 

https://www.fia.com/...ts//event/27075

 

Wrong year.

 

https://www.autospor...rimanded-by-fia

Edited by Afterburner, 12 July 2020 - 20:16.
No need for the snark.

[AustinF1]

So I guess now if you want to overtake, all you have to do is make a late lunge and drive off the track, forcing the other guy off.

 

Unbelievable.

[Ivanhoe]

You just have to ask yourself, what if there was a wall, gravel or grass instead of tarmac? 

Edited by Ivanhoe, 12 July 2020 - 20:18.

[Atreiu]

Between this, Leclerc not even getting penalty points and last week maybe the Stewards have quietly decided they will allow maximum agression this season.

[ExFlagMan]

You just have to ask yourself, what if there was a wall, gravel or grass instead of tarmac? 

 

They should make the cars strong enough to take the impact    

[balage06]

It's Stroll's fourth season in F1, but he still such a poor racer, every time I watch him it looks like he's not 100% comfortable in the car. All these half-hearted efforts to "overtake" Ricciardo, then this clumsy attempt which gifted Norris the opportunity to overtake them both... I'm not impressed, races like this would be acceptable for a rookie, but he's far from that.

[Roadhouse]

Ridiculous move, I guess penalties are only given this season if u destroy someones car.

[coppilcus]

Wrong year.

https://www.autospor...rimanded-by-fia

Indeed!

Wrong year, drivers involved and racing incident as well...

You managed to involved yourself in a discussion over dive bombs and desperate moves from Ricciardo, with a completely different incident with Verstappen. Do you know that Baku is a yearly event and that different things happen each year?!

Are we done?

Edited by coppilcus, 12 July 2020 - 20:38.

[pdac]

You just have to ask yourself, what if there was a wall, gravel or grass instead of tarmac? 

 

That's been the argument for years in the "track limits madness" thread - not many seem to like this idea of treating the edge of the track like a wall - unless it is a wall.

[pdac]

Ridiculous move, I guess penalties are only given this season if u destroy someones car.

 

Like Le Clerc did?

[AustinF1]

That's been the argument for years in the "track limits madness" thread - not many seem to like this idea of treating the edge of the track like a wall - unless it is a wall.

Surely we can all agree, however, that Stroll's car easily and fully exceeded track limits by any rational definition, and that he was in no way ever remotely going to make that turn on track.

[AustinF1]

It's an awful precedent.

[NotAPineapple]

Indeed!

Wrong year, drivers involved and racing incident as well...

You managed to involved yourself in a discussion over dive bombs and desperate moves from Ricciardo, with a completely different incident with Verstappen. Do you know that Baku is a yearly event and that different things happen each year?!

Are we done?

Go on elaborate. You're the one who gave a one word response without naming a year or an incident.

Don't just post a link and expect we all go trawling through FIA documents.

[Roadhouse]

Like Le Clerc did?

He destroyed his own car as well, so that evens it out. Besides, they rare penalize teammate drama?

[coppilcus]

Go on elaborate. You're the one who gave a one word response without naming a year or an incident.
Don't just post a link and expect we all go trawling through FIA documents.

Call it, go to sleep...

Tomorrow is another day!

Edited by coppilcus, 12 July 2020 - 20:56.

[Retrofly]

After the Hamilton penalty last week I'm truly gobsmacked by the lack consistency in the stewards. This is was so much worse than last weeks incident.

 

So basically if a driver dive bombs you up the inside and forces you off track and you lose places, the only thing to do is allow contact and hope you come off the least worst

 

Bizzare.

[pdac]

He destroyed his own car as well, so that evens it out. Besides, they rare penalize teammate drama?

 

So what you're saying (which we all know) is that they are not at all consistent in the way they judge incidents and the penalties that they issue (or do not issue).

[AustinF1]

After the Hamilton penalty last week I'm truly gobsmacked by the lack consistency in the stewards. This is was so much worse than last weeks incident.

 

So basically if a driver dive bombs you up the inside and forces you off track and you lose places, the only thing to do is allow contact and hope you come off the least worst

 

Bizzare.

Yeah someone on another board told me that he was undecided on it and that RIC should have 'just forced contact to draw the penalty' ... lol. Nevermind that RIC would have risked ending his race by doing that. No contact should be necessary for the penalty to be given. Stroll made a late divebomb and drove almost straight through the turn, unable to keep his car on the track. He overtook by completely leaving the track and forcing the other driver completely off as well. 

 

It's a horrendous precedent.

[pdac]

It's an awful precedent.

 

These people don't understand such a concept as a precedent. Next week they will give a penalty for something much closer to a 'racing incident'; the week after they will dismiss something more severe. It's a lottery.