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[NoForumForOldPole]

https://www.motorspo...with-penalties/

 

Why is he so magnetic to the stewards?

https://www.youtube....h?v=VBPBrJ74C8I

Edited by NoForumForOldPole, 27 September 2020 - 15:17.

[Marklar]

This thread will go well

[Heyli]

If the stewards were trying to stop him, surely he would''ve just received 4 penalty points now.

[jwill189]

Hamilton's has accumulated 10 penalty points when he's fortunate he doesn't have a race ban.  Maybe he should look in the mirror and stop whining for a change.

[NoForumForOldPole]

Hamilton's has accumulated 10 penalty points when he's fortunate he doesn't have a race ban.  Maybe he should look in the mirror and stop whining for a change.

 

But should he have been given 2 penalties though? It seems a bit harsh.

[w00dy]

I just love the conspiracy theories. Mika Salo received messages from QAnon members during the race.

[jwill189]

But should he have been given 2 penalties though? It seems a bit harsh.

 

2 practice starts, 2 penalties.  I don't see what is controversial.  Hamilton should move on and not do it again.

[Marklar]

If the stewards were trying to stop him, surely he would''ve just received 4 penalty points now.

Well, they were going to 

[Kev00]

Such a whinging little bitch. Of course they would have penalized any other driver the same way. Except they would probably have given them the penalty points they earned. They saved him a race ban

[w00dy]

A German, a Finn, a Russian and a Barbadian guy decide to eff with Lewis.

You would think this is a joke, but no. Sadly, this is the thinking of a 6 times WDC.

[Marklar]

Such a whinging little bitch. Of course they would have penalized any other driver the same way. Except they would probably have given them the penalty points they earned. They saved him a race ban

Leaving your insults aside I doubt that 4 penalty points for such a extremely minor infregment is what "would have been deserved" for any driver.

 

Hamilton's accusations in the heat of the moment are not any worse than the narrative that the FIA is actually more lenient to him.

History is even disproving you. On any occasion if a driver approached 12 points the FIA suddenly got more lenient.

Edited by Marklar, 27 September 2020 - 15:08.

[Jordan44]

https://www.motorspo...with-penalties/

Why is he so magnetic to the stewards?
https://www.youtube....h?v=VBPBrJ74C8I

He got 5 penalty points from 2014 - 2019 so magnetic is probably a bad word - they've all come at once just because of a series of operational errors from both driver & team. It is not helped by the fact we have had half a seasons worth of races in just 3 months. None of them collectively serious enough to warrant a race ban. The window/rule needs reviewing

[CSF]

The problem is, no one with a cool head can argue about any of these penalties. I have no idea what he and Mercedes were thinking today, its very clear where you can do practice starts in the drivers handbook, as per the FIA website, and had been the same place for the whole weekend. 19 other cars must have been wrong............. 

[Baddoer]

Don't breach the rules and you won't take any penalties.

Simple as that.

[noikeee]

I'd give him the 2 extra points for this interview just for the lolz. Fill it under the "putting the sport under disrespute" rule or something.

Look the penalties are harsh and it kinda confuses me why a practice start merits a time penalty, but if you break the rules what do you expect. Go moan at the team if they gave you the okay to do it. I really find it hard to sympathise with this side of Lewis of "they're all persecuting me". He's still got a huge advantage in the championship, just chill.

[maximilian]

Needs a "he's wrong, but the penalties were bullshit anyways" option...

[GTA]

90 wins, 6 WDCs and the best machinery any driver has had in the history of F1. 

 

He still plays the victim card every chance he gets. 

 

Just another addition :

 

"Is it because I am black?

"Something or someone doesn't want me to win the title this year"

"Seb hit me deliberately" 

"Ferrari Tactics"

"Stewards trying to stop me" 

 

It is a shame and disrespectful to others in F1. I am not a fan but even his biggest fans must cringe at these outbursts. 

[garoidb]

I'd give him the 2 extra points for this interview just for the lolz. Fill it under the "putting the sport under disrespute" rule or something.

Look the penalties are harsh and it kinda confuses me why a practice start merits a time penalty, but if you break the rules what do you expect. Go moan at the team if they gave you the okay to do it. I really find it hard to sympathise with this side of Lewis of "they're all persecuting me". He's still got a huge advantage in the championship, just chill.

 

... and really, not knowing the rules is a bad look. Go and read the rule book (just the bit that pertains to what drivers can and can't do) and all meeting notes. I thought Ron taught him and all McLaren drivers that back in the day.

[tourister46a]

Can someone quote the exact rule(s) he breached? How and when did he break them?

[FLB]

I'd give him the 2 extra points for this interview just for the lolz. Fill it under the "putting the sport under disrespute" rule or something.
 

Max Mosley left the sport in 2009...

[Myrvold]

Look the penalties are harsh and it kinda confuses me why a practice start merits a time penalty, but if you break the rules what do you expect.

It can easily be a safety issue. And there is enough safety-issues that the Federation of Incompetent Amateurs decided to just hand out a symbolic fine for as it is.

[Beri]

Needs a "he's wrong, but the penalties were bullshit anyways" option...

Why? Rules state that these penalties are given after such an infringement. I'd say it was correctly given. Albeit being said, why wait 7 laps to hand out the penalties if it was so clear that Hamilton was wrong?

[smitten]

90 wins, 6 WDCs and the best machinery any driver has had in the history of F1. 

 

He still plays the victim card every chance he gets. 

 

Just another addition :

 

"Is it because I am black?

"Something or someone doesn't want me to win the title this year"

"Seb hit me deliberately" 

"Ferrari Tactics"

"Stewards trying to stop me" 

 

It is a shame and disrespectful to others in F1. I am not a fan but even his biggest fans must cringe at these outbursts. 

 

Well one of those was a somewhat misguided attempt at humour, and another was 100% factually correct.  So one controversial statement every 2x WDC doesn't seem outwith the bell curve.

[Spyker]

Has anyone watched the press conference?

 

Even Verstappen was backing Ham on this one.

[kosmos]

Nothing to see here, we all know that he gets nervous and even paranoid when things don't go his way. Too bad nobody is putting pressure on him, rivals or teammate, otherwise we will see more like this.

[Myrvold]

Can someone quote the exact rule(s) he breached? How and when did he break them?

 

"19) Practice starts
19.1 Practice starts may only be carried out on the right-hand side after the pit exit lights and, for the avoidance of doubt, this includes any time the pit exit is open for the race. Drivers must leave adequate room on their left for another driver to pass.
19.2 For reasons of safety and sporting equity, cars may not stop in the fast lane at any time the pit exit is open without a justifiable reason (a practice start is not considered a justifiable reason)"

 

Link to document

[Unicast]

I don't get the point of this thread... He made a mistake, he got penalized, after the race he was speaking non-sense (which sometimes happens even to Hamilton)... I'm sure after he chills and understands what he did wrong he will change his tone.

End of story.

[CSF]

Can someone quote the exact rule(s) he breached? How and when did he break them?

 

 

Two practice starts outwith of the practice start area. 

[ArrowsLivery]

How can he complain about anything after having the greatest machinery ever in F1 in an era 100% about the car? He’s being force fed titles by the rule makers and he still has the gall to complain.

[FLB]

I don't get the point of this thread... He made a mistake, he got penalized, after the race he was speaking non-sense (which sometimes happens even to Hamilton)... I'm sure after he chills and understands what he did wrong he will change his tone.

End of story.

Fully agreed. We all say stupid stuff when we're angry, sometimes. 

[NoForumForOldPole]

Needs a "he's wrong, but the penalties were bullshit anyways" option...

 

Done

[w00dy]

I don't get the point of this thread... He made a mistake, he got penalized, after the race he was speaking non-sense (which sometimes happens even to Hamilton)... I'm sure after he chills and understands what he did wrong he will change his tone.

End of story.

 

Well, he should at least put out the usual "i spoke in the heat of the moment, i believe the stewards represent f1 interests yada-yada" statement, he has people to write this for him.

[Unicast]

How can he complain about anything after having the greatest machinery ever in F1 in an era 100% about the car? He’s being force fed titles by the rule makers and he still has the gall to complain.

 

LOL

Edited by Unicast, 27 September 2020 - 15:19.

[Unicast]

Fully agreed. We all say stupid stuff when we're angry, sometimes. 

 

Yup... that was exactly what I meant.

[Jordan44]

I don't get the point of this thread... He made a mistake, he got penalized, after the race he was speaking non-sense (which sometimes happens even to Hamilton)... I'm sure after he chills and understands what he did wrong he will change his tone.
End of story.

No, because there is something much bigger a foot, the race ban is only a matter of time

[sennamaster]

90 wins, 6 WDCs and the best machinery any driver has had in the history of F1. 

 

He still plays the victim card every chance he gets. 

 

Just another addition :

 

"Is it because I am black?

"Something or someone doesn't want me to win the title this year"

"Seb hit me deliberately" 

"Ferrari Tactics"

"Stewards trying to stop me" 

 

It is a shame and disrespectful to others in F1. I am not a fan but even his biggest fans must cringe at these outbursts. 

 

I actually thought he did do it on purpose 

[Unicast]

No, because there is something much bigger a foot, the race ban is only a matter of time

 

So he should stay out of trouble... it's not like someone is giving him points for nothing.

[Marklar]

No, because there is something much bigger a foot, the race ban is only a matter of time

I'm willing to take a bet against you on that one 

[Jordan44]

So he should stay out of trouble... it's not like someone is giving him points for nothing.

Those points don't feel well justified.

[Mark521]

I am going to assume this is a "heat of the moment" reaction quote.  I fully expect he'll be focused in two weeks time, possibly with a new contract.

Lots of drivers moan about things during/right after a race (of course DR had a more mature reaction today just to show how it should be done ).

[P123]

Given what the second penalty was for, and the ambiguity around the first, and then an additional sanction of penalty points, I'm tending to think they were a little too focused/ overly keen on totting up the indictments!  Probably why they couldn't be arsed to bother with Leclerc punting Stroll out of the race on lap 1.  They were too busy with other stuff. 

[Unicast]

Those points don't feel well justified.

 

So what do you suggest? That there is a conspiracy to "stop him"? 

[GTR]

As much of a Hamilton supporter, I have to say that he really needs to get his head down, focus on the driving and claim that title asap. It's never be sure until it is done. Too much distractions recently.

[smitten]

"19) Practice starts
19.1 Practice starts may only be carried out on the right-hand side after the pit exit lights and, for the avoidance of doubt, this includes any time the pit exit is open for the race. Drivers must leave adequate room on their left for another driver to pass.
19.2 For reasons of safety and sporting equity, cars may not stop in the fast lane at any time the pit exit is open without a justifiable reason (a practice start is not considered a justifiable reason)"

 

Link to document

 

Is there a fast lane after pit exit board, or is it only in the pits?

[HerbieMcQueen]

I actually thought he did do it on purpose 

 

He was talking about the second chicane at Monza I believe, when Vettel ended up spinning after trying to get down the inside of Hamilton. Usual martyrdom from him.

[Jordan44]

So what do you suggest? That there is a conspiracy to "stop him"?

It's proven well beyond a conspiracy at this point that the FIA go after the most successful team.

[RekF1]

90 wins, 6 WDCs and the best machinery any driver has had in the history of F1. 
 
He still plays the victim card every chance he gets. 
 
Just another addition :
 
"Is it because I am black?
"Something or someone doesn't want me to win the title this year"
"Seb hit me deliberately" 
"Ferrari Tactics"
"Stewards trying to stop me" 
 
It is a shame and disrespectful to others in F1. I am not a fan but even his biggest
fans must cringe at these outbursts.

I think you've dropped your dog whistle

[Huffer]

As much of a Hamilton supporter, I have to say that he really needs to get his head down, focus on the driving and claim that title asap. It's never be sure until it is done. Too much distractions recently.

 

Complete agree. I understand that he's probably feeling very frustrated, but he needs to shake that black dog from his thinking, rub some dirt on that wound and move on. 

Edited by Huffer, 27 September 2020 - 15:25.

[Unicast]

It's proven well beyond a conspiracy at this point that the FIA go after the most successful team.

 

Yes but here we are speaking about a person not a team! I'm sure you can understand the difference.

Yeah, in periods of domination FIA sometimes targets the leading team but never have they targeted drivers. It would be a unacceptable.

Edited by Unicast, 27 September 2020 - 15:25.

[Mark521]

Given what the second penalty was for, and the ambiguity around the first, and then an additional sanction of penalty points, I'm tending to think they were a little too focused/ overly keen on totting up the indictments!  Probably why they couldn't be arsed to bother with Leclerc punting Stroll out of the race on lap 1.  They were too busy with other stuff. 

 

Leclerc got the "first lap free pass" on his punt of Stroll.  Maybe Stroll braked unexpectedly thus the free pass too.