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#1 smr

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 18:58

Quite the bombshell dropped today. 

 

Who do we think will be Red Bull's next Engine Supplier.

 

Imo I'm going for this... Red Bull Cosworth .... you heard it here first!



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#2 Branislav

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 19:09

It will be Renault, probably rebranded



#3 TheFish

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 19:11

Renault or buying the Honda engine stuff and getting it rebadged.

#4 Joseki

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 19:13

Red Bull will probably act all cool for a while, attempt to sign a deal with Mercedes, fail, moan to the press that the Mercs are bad and evil and sign a deal with the first sponsor that will cover the 12m/year for the Renault supply deal.

 

AT will probably just sign a Renault deal, no rebranding.



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Posted 02 October 2020 - 19:17

Supertec

#6 absinthedude

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 19:18

Renault. Possibly rebranded. I do wonder why never use the Nissan brand in F1 in times when they've had several teams. 

 

I don't see them being able to buy/lease all the Honda manufacturing facilities, and the staff too. If it were money I am sure Honda would have permitted Red Bull to fund their engine development. Honda are out.

 

The only other conceivable option is Cosworth who probably had an uncompetitive engine on offer in 2014. It's hardly going to be competitive now. The only possible chance with that is if Red Bull fund a massive development and testing programme with permission from the FIA. Which might not go down well with the other manufacturers.



#7 femi

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 19:44

Certainly not Renault nor Mercedes. Ferrari? Not sure either. This is bye-bye RedBull as we know it I think.



#8 Augurk

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 19:44

Probably Renault considering the current playfield. 

But Red Bull are an unfortunate showcase how being a top team in F1 is almost only feasible with a works deal or own engine department. 

 

Wouldn't be surprised if they really drop down the order this time. New regulations and not having recent experience with their engine supplier starting from 2022. 

 

A sad state of affairs F1 thanks to this utter ridiculous engine formula. 



#9 BertoC

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 20:04

Realistically it will be a rebranded Renault engine. Nowadays the Renault engine is pretty good and reliable so RBR won't loose any significant performance. And since there will be a budget cap the Honda money won't be too missed.

Edited by BertoC, 02 October 2020 - 20:05.


#10 absinthedude

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 20:14

In 28 years of supplying customer engines, Ferrari has never once sold them to a customer team which is in a position to challenge the Scuderia. Ferrari have their hands full trying to claw back all the ground lost since the second half of 2019 and that "agreement" with the FIA. They also currently supply two other teams while Renault will have none once McLaren get the Merc PU's.  Renault will hold all the aces and can pretty much dictate the terms. Horner is going to learn to eat humble pie. Or he's going to buy Cosworth. 

 

Another upshot of this is that in future years, any F1 team will treat Honda with caution if they come back again. 



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Posted 02 October 2020 - 20:16

Welp ... it's gpblog, but who knows.

 

 

'Volkswagen is ready to enter F1 as a partner of Red Bull' https://www.gpblog.c...-red-bull-.html



#12 smr

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 20:19

Could well be VW. I just have a very strong feeling that it will not be Renault. That track has been well walked by Red Bull and I really feel that they'll try everything they can not to partner up with Renault again. Cosworth have made their interest known in F1 2021 onwards, and VW are a huge automotive group, the cost cap and radical reg overhaul of 2022 could well entice such a company to take a roll of the dice.......



#13 AustinF1

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 20:27

Could well be VW. I just have a very strong feeling that it will not be Renault. That track has been well walked by Red Bull and I really feel that they'll try everything they can not to partner up with Renault again. Cosworth have made their interest known in F1 2021 onwards, and VW are a huge automotive group, the cost cap and radical reg overhaul of 2022 could well entice such a company to take a roll of the dice.......

Cosworth is gonna try to build one of these PUs? Good luck to them. Hope it doesn't break them.



#14 FirstnameLastname

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 20:29

Ahh, that time of year again... VW-Audi to F1...

Was Stefeno Domenicali not involved in a project to assess the viability of such things?

And what’s that guy doing just now for work?...

Oh

#15 femi

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 20:32

Welp ... it's gpblog, but who knows.

 

 

'Volkswagen is ready to enter F1 as a partner of Red Bull' https://www.gpblog.c...-red-bull-.html

Pipe dream



#16 Chillimeister

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 20:36

Could well be VW. I just have a very strong feeling that it will not be Renault. That track has been well walked by Red Bull and I really feel that they'll try everything they can not to partner up with Renault again. Cosworth have made their interest known in F1 2021 onwards, and VW are a huge automotive group, the cost cap and radical reg overhaul of 2022 could well entice such a company to take a roll of the dice.......

 

Audi and Porsche are in the VAG group of course and were somewhat successful running hybrid engines in the WEC ... shouldn't take them too long to get up to speed with F1 PU requirements.



#17 FirstnameLastname

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 20:38

Who wouldn’t love to see VAG on the side of an F1 car?!....

#18 Dutchrudder

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 20:40

Cosworth is gonna try to build one of these PUs? Good luck to them. Hope it doesn't break them.


Could they buy the Honda IP? Not that Cosworth is going to be able to keep up with the development race.

How committed is Mateschits to F1 nowadays? His football team has just reached the latter stages of European competition, any chance he’s done what he wanted to with the F1 project?

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 20:41

RedBull Mugen-Honda 



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#20 aportinga

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 20:43

Welp ... it's gpblog, but who knows.

 

 

'Volkswagen is ready to enter F1 as a partner of Red Bull' https://www.gpblog.c...-red-bull-.html

 

WHOA!!!



#21 Rodaknee

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 20:48

Mercedes cannot supply 6 teams out of 10, there's enough moaning about them now.

 

RB will have to go with Renault.  I can see no reason for Renault to allow the engine to be re-branded, in fact they should insist their name should be displayed in 6 inch dayglo letters down the side of the car.

Don't forget engine suppliers have to supply at a fixed price, so they lose money on the deal, unless they receive publicity from the deal.



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Posted 02 October 2020 - 20:53

Cyrils take on the matter when asked today: “I guess that will be discussed if Red Bull fail to find a solution, which I really hope will not be the situation,”

He sounds enthusiastic....

#23 Branislav

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 20:55

Renault has indicated that it is willing to supply engines to Red Bull Racing and AlphaTauri after Honda pulls out of Formula 1 at the end of 2021

 

From Autosport



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Posted 02 October 2020 - 21:01

Audi and Porsche are in the VAG group of course and were somewhat successful running hybrid engines in the WEC ... shouldn't take them too long to get up to speed with F1 PU requirements.

 


I'm sure Honda thought something similar.

#25 FirstnameLastname

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 21:03

They could run this?

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#26 Rodaknee

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 21:07

They could run this?

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Is that Craig Pollock's Pure engine?



#27 Rodaknee

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 21:09

Renault has indicated that it is willing to supply engines to Red Bull Racing and AlphaTauri after Honda pulls out of Formula 1 at the end of 2021

 

From Autosport

Course they are. From the same article.

 

 

Renault may be required to supply engines regardless, as Appendix 9 of the FIA sporting regulations obliges the manufacturer with the fewest partner teams to supply a competitor that has no alternatives.



#28 MichaelPM

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 21:17

Test it and it passes, run it normally and it breaks regulations. VW and Redbull would get on like a house on fire  :up:



#29 FirstnameLastname

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 21:22

Is that Craig Pollock's Pure engine?


It’s a GP2 engine 👀

#30 Paco

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 21:24

Only option is Renault.  Not even sure how this is thread.

 

Ferrari.  Never.

Mercedes. Never unless Mercedes stops making engines.

RB Badged Hondas real possibility and best option for them.



#31 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 21:24

Renault. Perez money could come in handy



#32 noikeee

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 21:26

I'm leaning Renault because that's the path of last attrition, which is really saying something!

They're in real trouble with this.

#33 Fastcake

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 21:26

Cosworth is gonna try to build one of these PUs? Good luck to them. Hope it doesn't break them.

 

They had one designed and ready for 2014. Of course there's been six years of development since then, and it may not have even been competitive to start with (their V8 even in the frozen era was not), but there's a base for someone to start with.

 

Would cost a fair bit, of course.

 

Is that Craig Pollock's Pure engine?

 

I forgot about that. I wonder where their designs ended up?
 



#34 Augurk

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 21:26

The thing is, as much fun as it seems to have Red Bull "begging" Renault for an engine deal (not really though as they are obliged to supply them as per the regulations), Renault need Red Bull just as much. 

 

They surely need a client or two to keep their own program feasible and everyone else has left them in the dust. Of course this could change if the new Williams owners ditch Mercedes and go for Renault or Haas gets sold and changes to Renault, but currently that is highly speculative.



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Posted 02 October 2020 - 21:28

I don’t see how anything other than Renault can work, honestly.
Mercedes have a full house of customers, so they can say no with a clean conscience. Ferrari miiiiiight be able to supply them if they chose to, but I suspect there’s not a great friendship between the two teams after last year’s engine saga. Plus, of course, the current engine is a brick, no guarantee they’ll be correcting it fast.
As for an outside company-fat chance of that; we did see how tough it was for Honda to get up to speed. If the outside company is part of VAG, the chances tend to go towards negative values...they never made one real step to actually DO something about F1. Judd, Hart, Yamaha, Pure, Lamborghini, Subaru, hell even Motori Moderni actually built a working engine, as mentioned above. Some other guys built at least a toaster. What did VAG do? Ignore and move on, they don’t deserve the publicity.

Edited by ATM, 02 October 2020 - 21:33.


#36 wj_gibson

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 21:28

I’d like to see a revival of the Life W12 concept.



#37 PayasYouRace

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 21:29

Unless someone new comes in it has to be Renault.



#38 noikeee

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 21:30

I’d like to see a revival of the Life W12 concept.


Wouldn't we all. Except for the Max fans I guess.

#39 Augurk

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 21:34

I don't see how any new entry (not even VAG) can be a better option than Renault until 2026.



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#40 Jops14

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 21:48

Only option is Renault. Not even sure how this is thread.

Ferrari. Never.
Mercedes. Never unless Mercedes stops making engines.
RB Badged Hondas real possibility and best option for them.

Same... It will be “Nissan” and theyll stick Tsunoda in to piss off Honda haha

#41 pitlanepalpatine

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 21:50

Pretty sure they'll be switching to Hamster Dynamics products, no matter what bridge Cyril is trying to sell us

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#42 Beri

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 21:59

Porsche have a V6 Hybrid Turbo sitting on their shelves now don't they..? Makes me wonder......

#43 RacingGreen

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 22:20

Renault has indicated that it is willing to supply engines to Red Bull Racing and AlphaTauri after Honda pulls out of Formula 1 at the end of 2021

 

From Autosport

 

There is more than a slight amount of spin in that headline. Under the rules Renault are obliged to supply additional teams required and Cyril confirmed when asked that Renault would meet their contractual requirements. There was no warmth in his reply; no "we have had great success in the past with..", or "would welcome the chance to work again with". 



#44 krapmeister

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 23:17

Probably Renault but Cyril should make them take the engines badged as Dacia just out of spite 😅

#45 r4mses

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 23:19

Maybe be need to grow wings.



#46 FLB

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 23:20

I’d like to see a revival of the Life W12 concept.

This video is a rare one where you can actually hear it on full song (at 15:10) :

 


Edited by FLB, 02 October 2020 - 23:22.


#47 r4mses

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 23:21

Porsche have a V6 Hybrid Turbo sitting on their shelves now don't they..? Makes me wonder......

 

oO where did that come from? The 919 Hybrid is a 2.0L V4



#48 ARTGP

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 23:38

oO where did that come from? The 919 Hybrid is a 2.0L V4

 

Yes. But Porsche tasked their racing arm with development of an F1 engine a few years ago. There was a prototype.  It's part of the reason that Seidl quit Porsche (they didnt' follow through).


Edited by ARTGP, 02 October 2020 - 23:38.


#49 kumo7

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Posted 03 October 2020 - 04:22

AVG...



#50 Alburaq

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Posted 03 October 2020 - 05:02

Breaking news: Renault quits F1 to avoid supplying Red Bull.