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[baddog]

I suggest "Don't talk I am doing my best" or something like that would be better, mostly that is what we hear from the drivers.

 

Have to make allowances for non-native speakers and the team surely will.

[Gambelli]

Honestly I don’t know why people made a deal out of that radio message. I’ve heard every driver on this grid react similarly when the engineer is being distracting repeating the same thing over and over. I know that would irritate me if someone said it a half dozen times when I was already giving it everything. There are times when drivers can quite legitmately tell their engineer to shut up.

 

Ricciardo would never, ever say that, he would say, calmly, 'Copy, at my limit on pace already'

 

Is it so hard to just not be a prick?  He wasn't in the heat of a tight battle, and it is in the context of he himself saying he needs to curb his manner on the radio... so... maybe try it for a full round.  I feel for all the engineers who put up with the Tsunodas or Ticktums of the world, or Mazepins who aren't necessarily rude, but bin or spin so often.  They don't deserve to go to work and be treated that way, and no, they shouldn't just toughen up, the people dealing out the abuse should stop it, its not their right....

[KWSN - DSM]

Let us not make it as if non-native English speakers can not use other words than negative or loaded vulgarity - I am not really trying to make this an issue as such, just do not think there is a need to contrive excuses, if this is how he talks then this is how he talks, he should make an effort not to.

[Gambelli]

Let us not make it as if non-native English speakers can not use other words than negative or loaded vulgarity - I am not really trying to make this an issue as such, just do not think there is a need to contrive excuses, if this is how he talks then this is how he talks, he should make an effort not to.

 

This is so damned spot on, likewise I bought it up because it was ironic that he said it's something he had to work on, and his engineer given him a simple and fair message, that every engineer would give his driver before pitting, to push, and his response was overly aggressive.  It wasn't to make a big deal, but point out the irony of the situation.  It was funny more than anything, I expected other people to go 'hehe, yeah, funny' not actually defend it.

 

Blaming language barrier is poor, he could have just said 'ok' and continued to drive as he was, and sure, if the engineer was hassling him say, for instance 'you aren't fast enough, Gasly is 0.5 sec per lap faster, you need to close this gap' then sure, I get it, but his radio message was just simple and on point.

 

We didn't see Bottas go off his chops when his engineer kept reminding him that he had to get Norris or his race was ruined, and English isn't his first language either.

[BRG]

Ricciardo would never, ever say that, he would say, calmly, 'Copy, at my limit on pace already

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Such BS.  How would your hero deliver the message in Japanese?

 

But it is refreshing that you are admitting that Ricciardo is at his limit on pace already. 

[absinthedude]

Perhaps Tsunoda needs to learn some "non-violent communication".

 

His words don't need to be so harsh. But at least he was much closer to the pace this weekend and picked up a decent result. Gasly was stellar on Sunday.

[ARTGP]

I suggest "Don't talk I am doing my best" or something like that would be better, mostly that is what we hear from the drivers.

 

Driver-engineer relationships are very unique. It's not one size fits all. The Japanese culture in particular is one that is very sensitive to "respect". So the fact that Yuki talks like this on the radio shows that his engineer allows him to vent on the radio like this and that it's just normal to them.

 

Keep in mind that what you may find grating, another may not. You'd be surprised how happily married folk may speak to one another. There's an element of comfortableness on both sides to vent. He's only shouting on the radio. It's not like he's throwing helmets at engineers in the paddock. I may not understand him, but I'm not going to knock him for a relatively non-violent quibble.

Edited by ARTGP, 07 June 2021 - 11:17.

[KWSN - DSM]

Driver-engineer relationships are very unique. It's not one size fits all. The Japanese culture in particular is one that is very sensitive to "respect". So the fact that Yuki talks like this on the radio shows that his engineer allows him to vent on the radio like this and that it's just normal to them.

 

Keep in mind that what you may find grating, another may not. You'd be surprised how happily married folk may speak to one another. There's an element of comfortableness on both sides to vent. He's only shouting on the radio. It's not like he's throwing helmets at engineers in the paddock. I may not understand him, but I'm not going to knock him for a relatively non-violent quibble.

 

Sorry but no, just no... 

[Viryfan]

Gasly started to loose a cylinder 3 laps into stint 2.

 

Loss estimated 0.4 - 0.6 per lap.

[ARTGP]

Gasly started to loose a cylinder 3 laps into stint 2.

 

Loss estimated 0.4 - 0.6 per lap.

 

How on earth did he keep up with Leclerc on the restart. Very impressive save. I've had my reservations about the Honda reliability. They say they have updates coming for the French GP.

Edited by ARTGP, 07 June 2021 - 19:10.

[Donkey]

One of my favourite things from the race....

 

Pre race weekend:

 

Yuki "I need to work on my temper and how I communicate with the team"

 

Race weekend:

 

Engineer "Okay Yuki, tyres are looking good, you can push now, give it everything"

 

Yuki "SHUTUP!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

lol

 

Well done Gasly btw... though we say that a lot these days..... hope he can find a team to grow with outside of the Red Bull family, I just think that would be better for him.

Maybe but realistically where would he go? If he keeps these performances up then it is going to be tough for the Red Bull family to drop him.

Alpine? Maybe to replace Ocon but I think Alonso wants to stick around for a couple of seasons at least.

Ferrari? Unlikely, they have picked a medium to long term lineup.

Mclaren? Depends if Ricciardo can find his form but I think they will keep faith in him for a couple of seasons and Norris is turning into a team leader.

Alfa? They have a huge stable of young drivers looking to jump into F1.

Haas? Slow and they are not going to pay him a salary.

Merc? Russell is going to replace Bottas eventually and I'm not sure if Gasly is the kind of big star driver they would want to replace Lewis when he decides to leave F1.

Williams? Might be seats free but probably not appealing to Gasly.

Aston Martin/Team Stroll? Stroll is obviously not going anywhere and Vettel seems to finally be settling in. I guess maybe it is an option if Vettel starts to struggle again and calls it a day.

 

RBR again is probably the obvious move but only going to happen if Perez underperforms or Verstappen replaces Lewis at Merc. It might not be the best move for the longevity of his F1 career given the pressure involved but then again it might be the only move available.

Edited by Donkey, 07 June 2021 - 19:25.

[MikeTekRacing]

Kimi is just as rude on the radio. That's how some people act in the heat of the moment. 

Shut up, I know what I am doing is just one example...

 

He'll learn, he needs coaching. If you listen to his engineer's message he's telling him he can push in 5 different ways in the same message. It can be annoying.

[scheivlak]

One of my favourite things from the race....

 

Pre race weekend:

 

Yuki "I need to work on my temper and how I communicate with the team"

 

Race weekend:

 

Engineer "Okay Yuki, tyres are looking good, you can push now, give it everything"

 

Yuki "SHUTUP!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

lol

 

Well done Gasly btw... though we say that a lot these days..... hope he can find a team to grow with outside of the Red Bull family, I just think that would be better for him.

Nonsense. If there are two teams that accept and even admire such honesty it's Red Bull and Alpha Tauri. 

[Gambelli]

Such BS.  How would your hero deliver the message in Japanese?

 

But it is refreshing that you are admitting that Ricciardo is at his limit on pace already. 

 

Get your chip off your shoulder Brit.

 

I addressed this comment:-

 

'I’ve heard every driver on this grid react similarly when the engineer is being distracting repeating the same thing over and over' 

 

​You ignored my comment re Bottas, a native Finnish speaker, and how he handled being spoken to, far worse than Yuki, to take a cheap shot about me being a Ricciardo fan.

 

Ricciardo isn't my hero, I'm as critical about him as anyone else, so grow up and get over it.  Not my fault you can't stand being called out on some of your ridiculous posts

[Gambelli]

Nonsense. If there are two teams that accept and even admire such honesty it's Red Bull and Alpha Tauri. 

 

What a silly comment!  

 

I noted that it was funny that Yuki said he needed to work on his radio etiquette but then told his engineer to SHUTUP very abruptly.

 

I never said it was horrible or he should be fired, or anything that could be considered nonsense, I just said it was funny, as in a little ironic

 

BTW whats honesty got to do with telling your engineer to SHUTUP?

 

Gosh there are some sensitive and defensive people in here today....

[Gambelli]

Maybe but realistically where would he go? If he keeps these performances up then it is going to be tough for the Red Bull family to drop him.

Alpine? Maybe to replace Ocon but I think Alonso wants to stick around for a couple of seasons at least.

Ferrari? Unlikely, they have picked a medium to long term lineup.

Mclaren? Depends if Ricciardo can find his form but I think they will keep faith in him for a couple of seasons and Norris is turning into a team leader.

Alfa? They have a huge stable of young drivers looking to jump into F1.

Haas? Slow and they are not going to pay him a salary.

Merc? Russell is going to replace Bottas eventually and I'm not sure if Gasly is the kind of big star driver they would want to replace Lewis when he decides to leave F1.

Williams? Might be seats free but probably not appealing to Gasly.

Aston Martin/Team Stroll? Stroll is obviously not going anywhere and Vettel seems to finally be settling in. I guess maybe it is an option if Vettel starts to struggle again and calls it a day.

 

RBR again is probably the obvious move but only going to happen if Perez underperforms or Verstappen replaces Lewis at Merc. It might not be the best move for the longevity of his F1 career given the pressure involved but then again it might be the only move available.

 

Yeah this is the move I see happening.  I think Daniel will see out his contract, and it may well align nicely that Gasly is McLaren's choice beyond that, Norris Gasly partnership would seem very strong to me, both would have big experience by then, both likely will have won races by then, they wont likely need a 33yo Ricciardo to lead them

[Astandahl]

Gasly started to loose a cylinder 3 laps into stint 2.

 

Loss estimated 0.4 - 0.6 per lap.

This seems hard to believe. His pace would have been only  0.4s slower than Max...

[absinthedude]

Gasly started to loose a cylinder 3 laps into stint 2.

 

Loss estimated 0.4 - 0.6 per lap.

 

Source?

 

A Google gets references to Leclerc having "miscombustion" in one cylinder at Baku in 2019...can't find anything on Gasly in 2021. If it's true then his drive is all the more impressive.

[Viryfan]

Source?

 

A Google gets references to Leclerc having "miscombustion" in one cylinder at Baku in 2019...can't find anything on Gasly in 2021. If it's true then his drive is all the more impressive.

 

Gasly himself on twitch.

 

https://www.twitch.t...deos/1048813605

 

interstingly he had only the 17th best third sector lagging half a second behind Tsunoda .

 

Sector 3 TIME 44 Lewis HAMILTON 24.829 99 Antonio GIOVINAZZI 24.905 22 Yuki TSUNODA 24.937 55 Carlos SAINZ 24.938 5 Sebastian VETTEL 24.970 16 Charles LECLERC 24.972 4 Lando NORRIS 24.981 7 Kimi RAIKKONEN 24.985 3 Daniel RICCIARDO 25.033 6 Nicholas LATIFI 25.033 63 George RUSSELL 25.036 14 Fernando ALONSO 25.065 77 Valtteri BOTTAS 25.095 47 Mick SCHUMACHER 25.109 11 Sergio PEREZ 25.131 33 Max VERSTAPPEN 25.296 10 Pierre GASLY 25.406 18 Lance STROLL 25.596 9 Nikita MAZEPIN 25.693 31 Esteban OCON 25.843

[noikeee]

What a silly comment!

I noted that it was funny that Yuki said he needed to work on his radio etiquette but then told his engineer to SHUTUP very abruptly.

I never said it was horrible or he should be fired, or anything that could be considered nonsense, I just said it was funny, as in a little ironic

BTW whats honesty got to do with telling your engineer to SHUTUP?

Gosh there are some sensitive and defensive people in here today....

There definitely do seem to be some sensitive people around here. Imagine being offended by "shut up".

[ANF]

Engineer "Okay Yuki, tyres are looking good, you can push now, give it everything"

Yuki "SHUTUP!!!!!!!!!!!"

lol

You forgot the final "PUSH HARD!"
I'd tell my race engineer to shut up too if he sounded like the drill instructor in Full Metal Jacket.

[ANF]

But I honestly prefer Alex Albon's "Mate, **** off!" at the SC restart at Interlagos.

[kumo7]

Tsunoda is a bit too much. 

[balage06]

Yuki "SHUTUP!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

I wonder how he greets his mother on mother's day.

[KWSN - DSM]

I wonder how he greets his mother on mother's day.

 

親愛なる母 母の日おめでとう   or something like that

[Disgrace]

Tsunoda is a bit too much. 

 

Unless it translates into poor driving, it's not a big deal.

[Clatter]

How on earth did he keep up with Leclerc on the restart. Very impressive save. I've had my reservations about the Honda reliability. They say they have updates coming for the French GP.

Honda still on their first PU's, they don't seem too bad to me.

[ARTGP]

Honda still on their first PU's, they don't seem too bad to me.

I wouldn’t say it’s bad. But there have been some causes for concern even though nothing has outright blown up.

The Bahrain issue that caused them to detune is one issue. Also, I believe that in the Imola or Portugal weekend, one the AT drivers had the power unit shut down on them. It didn’t need to be replaced, but was nonetheless a potential race ending gremlin. Then the issues for Pierre in Baku.

Nothing has been as bad the Renault going in a puff of smoke in Baku, but little gremlins can be just as race ruining as outright failures.

[Baddoer]

How on earth did he keep up with Leclerc on the restart. Very impressive save. I've had my reservations about the Honda reliability. They say they have updates coming for the French GP.

Reminded me of Verstappen vs Riccardo. Awesome braking battle into every corner of S1.

[BRG]

Get your chip off your shoulder Brit.

 

Touchy little Colonial, aren't you?  Get yourself a sense of humour and more importantly, a sense of proportion.

[Tiakumosan]

Gasly great again, ahead of 1 Ferrari and both McLarens and Alpines.

[maximilian]

Cheesus, Yuki crashed AGAIN in FP1?  I'm starting to lose the faith. 

[YamahaV10]

Time to call up the torpedo ? Sure makes Gasley look like a complete driver.

 

Same place as Alonso spun except earlier. Maybe over corrected

 

Edited by YamahaV10, 30 July 2021 - 23:38.

[KWSN - DSM]

Two cars in the points, Tsunoda steaming up from the back, Gasly plummeting.... Gasly raced solidly rest of the way, Tsunoda got a little diva'ish.. And Gasly stole an extra point with fastest lap of the race on the very last lap.

 

Good day in the office for both drivers and team.

[William Hunt]

Tsunoda is very underwhelming to me this year but.... we shouldn't forget that he still is a rookie, Gasly is by now pretty experienced compared to him. Still I'm under the impression that Alex Albon Performed quite a lot better as Tsunoda in his rookie year (and Albon only had 2 years in F1, he deserves another shot in a different team, Williams for example, I'm sure he would impress considering he's got some experience under his belt now).

Tsunoda will most likely get another season his chance but if he doesn't up his game in the first half of 2022 he will have the likes of Lawson, Vips possibly even Hauger breathing down his neck.

[Jerem]

Another superb race from Gasly in Zandvoort. I know his first stint at RBR was awful, but I don't see how he could do worse than Perez in that second seat now.

[Baddoer]

Tsunoda have been invisible since Bahrain isn't he? But i've got a  feeling he will score a wild podium or something and forum will crush and collapse in ecstasy.

[pacificquay]

Alex Albon has been brought in as a coach for Tsunoda.

[ARTGP]

How did Gasly start P2 and not score any points? Sums up their season really....

Edited by ARTGP, 22 November 2021 - 05:37.

[Laster]

The Alpha Tauri’s race pace was poor in practice particularly with the softs. They seemed to struggle with tyre degradation worse than anyone else, which meant where most of the midfield went for the 1 stop they had to do a 2 stop, compounding their problems and making it all the worse for themselves as they the had to use their tyres to try and make overtakes further damaging tyres they were already using harder than anyone else.

I would guess whatever direction they went with their setup was horribly wrong.

[Disgrace]

Fourth place for Tsunoda! It looked to me that his second half of the year was much tidier than the first half.

[Laster]

Well Tsunoda stopped crashing the car on his own, hasn’t put it in the wall from Hungary onwards, but his pace definitely suffered for a long while. It picked up in the last 7 races with 6 Q3’s, but he got involved in a couple incidents that cost him. He was definitely to blame for the one in Jeddah with Vettel, though I felt Stroll was to blame in Brazil, and Mexico was just bad luck. He also had a habit of losing places at a start, his car positioning often costing him on lap one, an area he definitely needs to improve on. That all said, I feel the speed is there, Abu Dhabi he finally put everything together and was superb, driver of the day for me, and if he can perform like that consistently then he will be a lot of fun to watch next year.

Gasly on the other hand has just been fantastically consistent all year long with that insanely good qualifying record. If Red Bull doesn’t come knocking for him next year, then he absolutely deserves a rival team to pick him up instead and hopefully push him further up the grid.

[ARTGP]

Tsunoda deserved to end the season like that. It's been one hell of a ride. He can hold his head high.

[sniper80]

AT on the up! Good race from Tsunoda in a season that started so well for him and he didn't deliver. Let's see if he can improve in 2022!

[ThadGreen]

A great result for Tsunoda I am happy for him.

[pUs]

Fourth place for Tsunoda! It looked to me that his second half of the year was much tidier than the first half.

Definitely improved lately. Great to see!

[KWSN - DSM]

Very good season for Alpha Tauri, a great season for Gasly, Tsunoda did have a better last 1/3 of the season - Had Tsunoda managed 14 point more, they would have beaten Alpine in the Constructors.

[DaddyCool]

No disrespect to Tsunoda but after all that hype he has been fairly disappointing this year, even for a rookie.