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MotoGP 2021 Round 8: Liqui Moly Motorrad Großer Preis von Deutschland


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#1 Risil

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Posted 17 June 2021 - 20:32

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Recharged and re-suited, MotoGP wends its way from Barcelona to the forested, ex-road circuit of the Sachsenring, near Chemnitz in southeastern Germany. For some reason a memory about the circuit that sticks with me was a Fast Show-style moment during Max Biaggi's press conference after he won the race in 2004. He conducted the entire interview in Italian, save for the words "Mickey Mouse Circuit", which he left hanging there mid-sentence in English. There you have it: Max Biaggi's self-loathing and a tepid review of the circuit which has been a permanent home for the previously somewhat peripatetic German Grand Prix since the year 1998. (The old pre-war road circuit, which the current pit straight runs parallel to, held a separate world championship DDR Grand Prix for about a decade before the politics of East German closed the race to western bloc riders after 1972.) For all that, it's an interesting and quirky layout, with its very short lap, anticlockwise direction and contrast between the amphitheatrical section full of second-gear corners and the fast and scary "Waterfall" section behind the pits. Please supply your own memories, but I can think of two classics at the circuit in 2000 (where a Valentino Rossi charge fell just short as Alex Barros preserved the final iota of tyre grip) and 2006, when Rossi fought a lot of Honda riders and won.

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So much for nostalgia. What's been going on in MotoGP lately? For a start, KTM got their first win of the season after beating Ducati's Johann Zarco and Jack Miller across the line. After many of us faithlessly gave them up for dead, the Austrians have roared back with team leader presumptive Miguel Oliveira scoring a second place in Italy and a win in Catalunya. Beyond that, we also saw the most consequential case of zip trouble this side of There's Something About Mary as Fabio Quarataro dropped through the order, and was ultimately penalized, as his leathers came undone midrace. As usual the other Yamaha riders weren't around to pick up the slack. What about Germany? You may have read a lot of hype that this is Marc Marquez's best chance of the year to get a victory. This may seem like a stretch for a guy whose best finish this year has been seventh, but in the case for the defence there is the fact that having won at the Sachsenring on a 125 in 2010, he has literally never lost a race there since. So in a sense, we'll get a newsworthy result whatever happens. Also relevant to the German Grand Prix is that Alex Rins is back after his on-track bicycle crash before the Catalan GP weekend, and that Gresini Racing have announced they'll be leaving Aprilia to sort out their own bikes for 2022 and field a couple of Ducatis instead. Avintia rider Enea Bastianini and Moto2 guy Fabio Di Giannantonio have been hired to twist throttle, squeeze brake, turn headstock etc.

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Here's the schedule: as usual take off an hour if you're in the UK -- important thing to remember is that big race begins one hour before F1's French Grand Prix. I can't guarantee that more will happen in Germany on Sunday but I think it probably will.

 

Friday, 14 May

9am: Moto3 practice 1

9.55: MotoGP practice 1

10.55: Moto2 practice 1

1.15pm: Moto3 practice 2

2.10: MotoGP practice 2

3.10: Moto2 practice 2

 

Saturday, 15 May

9am: Moto3 practice 3

9.55: MotoGP practice 3

10.55: Moto2 practice 3

12.35pm: Moto3 qualifying

1.30: MotoGP practice 4

2.10: MotoGP qualifying

3.10: Moto 2 qualifying

 

Sunday, 16 May

8.40am: Moto3 warm-up

9.10: Moto2 warm-up

9.40: MotoGP warm-up

11: Moto3 race

12.20pm: Moto2 race

2: MotoGP race

 

So in summary, practice starts tomorrow. Should be fun! Watch out for Marquez!



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#2 LucaP

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Posted 17 June 2021 - 21:02

For some reason it's a track I realy like

Also, is it really slower than..say..Valencia?

Edited by LucaP, 17 June 2021 - 21:03.


#3 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 17 June 2021 - 21:08

I remember Casey throwing away 2nd place and the championship lead in 2012, while trying to do... something in the penultimate corner. Lorenzo would take over the championship lead and never look back while Stoner would go on to spend much of the rest of the season injured, eventually choosing to retire at the end of the year.



#4 Risil

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Posted 17 June 2021 - 21:14

My memory of Stoner coming of his bike in 2012 is extremely vivid, if hard to recall. Seemed like a very un-Casey thing to do.

#5 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 17 June 2021 - 23:36

I remember feeling like he was a bit out of it that year and sort of not surprised when he announced his retirement. He clearly wasn't enjoying himself as much as one should given the stakes.

 

The end of his time at Ducati was a little bit win it or bin it too. I remember a season opener at Qatar where he very quickly built a lead, backed off the pace a bit and promptly tossed it. Still weird to think back to how dominant he was at the time and that he walked away with just two titles.



#6 Zoe

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Posted 18 June 2021 - 04:56

Wasn't it Stoner who crashed in the warm up lap once? I remember the hilarious interview with Pedrosa after the race.



#7 dissident

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Posted 18 June 2021 - 07:50

It's gonna be pretty hot.

 

Marc's dominance around here has given us several non-eventful races, but I really like the layout of this track. And with that said, I will tune in to FP1. :cool:



#8 OvDrone

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Posted 18 June 2021 - 09:16

I love this track but now I can't see it without thinking of the Marq. I can't comprehend who's gonna be the favorite here or who'll win. So stoked.



#9 Yamamoto

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Posted 18 June 2021 - 10:14

Wasn't it Stoner who crashed in the warm up lap once? I remember the hilarious interview with Pedrosa after the race.

 

Yeah Valencia 2009.

 

In 2012 it was odd that Stoner was level with Lorenzo coming into the race given how that the Jorge/Yamaha combination had been pretty dominant, but I think he got taken out at Assen.

 

 

I'm going to go with Marc this weekend.



#10 Risil

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Posted 18 June 2021 - 14:23

Marquez-Quartararo-Nakagami in FP1, Oliveira-Quartararo-Vinales in FP2 as the temperatures and lap speeds climbed. Honda looking competitive so far! Ducati a little off the pace.



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Posted 18 June 2021 - 14:52

Marquez-Quartararo-Nakagami in FP1, Oliveira-Quartararo-Vinales in FP2 as the temperatures and lap speeds climbed. Honda looking competitive so far! Ducati a little off the pace.


Marquez didn’t do a time attack in FP2, focusing on medium and hard tire runs. Could he have something up his sleeves?

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Posted 18 June 2021 - 15:05

Unless there will be a thunderstorm, I expect 30+ deg temperatures. Lots of sweat for the boys.



#13 ehagar

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Posted 18 June 2021 - 16:30

Never been a fan of Der Sausage-Ring but for whatever reason it has put on a number of good races over the years. The battles between Rossi and Gibernau in 2003-2005 and the Uber close race in 2006 stick out for me. Nicky Hayden also seemed in his element at that circuit. The man could turn left with the best of them :)

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Posted 18 June 2021 - 19:07

Unless there will be a thunderstorm, I expect 30+ deg temperatures. Lots of sweat for the boys.


I'm seeing some Jerez-like weather in the forecast! Somewhat higher chance of rain though.

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Posted 18 June 2021 - 19:20

I’m actually in a place now where I’d like to see Marquez win. I enjoyed last season, I’ve enjoyed his absence in general because it’s injected new life into a series suffering a little from his yearly domination - but I’m ready for him back now. With his record here, surely he’s a decent bet. Like the look of Oliveira yet again though. How many times does this guy have to perform before KTM realise he might just be their best prospect?

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Posted 18 June 2021 - 19:38

This is also one of Marquez best tracks, if not the best



#17 Disgrace

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Posted 19 June 2021 - 08:38

Pol's move to HRC looking like career suicide at this point.



#18 dissident

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Posted 19 June 2021 - 08:44

Only 1 Yamaha to Q2 and both Suzuki's to Q1...



#19 Disgrace

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Posted 19 June 2021 - 12:34

Vinales starts 21st, he's surely on the ropes for that ride.



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#20 OvDrone

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Posted 19 June 2021 - 12:35

Vinales 21st

 

Mir 17th

 

Take me back around the barn and load up that rifle.



#21 krapmeister

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Posted 19 June 2021 - 12:40

Vinales was a bit unlucky with the yellow flag

Rins comfortably beats Mir even with a broken arm - shame he will bin it though.

Edited by krapmeister, 19 June 2021 - 12:40.


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Posted 19 June 2021 - 12:47

Q2 time!



#23 Disgrace

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Posted 19 June 2021 - 12:51

Everyone is mad with everyone. Well, find your own space guys.



#24 thegamer23

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Posted 19 June 2021 - 12:55

traffic jam!



#25 Disgrace

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Posted 19 June 2021 - 12:56

Not long before it's time to threaten grid drops and pitlane starts for this.



#26 manmower

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Posted 19 June 2021 - 12:56

Miguel "Einstein" Oliveira



#27 Disgrace

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Posted 19 June 2021 - 12:58

Zarco sticks it on pole and drops it. Risky strategy on a bike...



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Posted 19 June 2021 - 13:00

Martin seventh, that's worthy of a shoutout.



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Posted 19 June 2021 - 13:00

Zarco pulls off a Leclerc!"


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Posted 19 June 2021 - 13:01

Well, that was something ?

 

Zarco doing a Leclerc at Monaco. Lame.

 

Aleix Espargaro puts that Aprilia on the front row as Dovi keeps watching a tv somewhere.


Edited by OvDrone, 19 June 2021 - 13:02.


#31 krapmeister

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Posted 19 June 2021 - 13:02

Starting to get silly with all this not wanting to give a tow shenanigans

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Posted 19 June 2021 - 13:09

Again, as in F1, I really don't like how the polesitter can keep his lap while destroying everyone elses runs with a red flag.



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Posted 19 June 2021 - 13:14

Again, as in F1, I really don't like how the polesitter can keep his lap while destroying everyone elses runs with a red flag.

Same, although this wasn't a red, and in MotoGP they have more attempts (and it was more Nakagami's crash that ruined the last one for others)



#34 krapmeister

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Posted 19 June 2021 - 13:14

Was it a red flag though?

#35 manmower

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Posted 19 June 2021 - 13:19

Again, as in F1, I really don't like how the polesitter can keep his lap while destroying everyone elses runs with a red flag.

It's highly unlikely someone would do this on purpose though, that's a lot of risk to run for a pole that's relatively unimportant compared to F1.



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Posted 19 June 2021 - 13:40

I thought it seemed quite clear that Fabio took Zarco's line of sight and compromised his corner entry as he was a bit too close to the racing line for my liking while rolling off, and that probably caused the incident.

 

I have no problem with Zarco being on pole, and then in the gravel - it has happened plenty of times before, and no way is he coming off there intentionally.

 

Everything crossed for a Zarco win tomorrow.


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Posted 19 June 2021 - 13:55

I mean yellow, not red, my bad. Yeah just a strange session overall with the towing, the polesitter crashing out, Vinales and Mir hopeless, and everyone upset at each other.

 

The best thing ? Aleix on that Aprilia. Wonderful to see.



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Posted 19 June 2021 - 14:59

I am not sure about that qualifying session. 4 bikes almost stopped on circuit… something needs to be done.

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Posted 19 June 2021 - 18:00

I am not sure about that qualifying session. 4 bikes almost stopped on circuit… something needs to be done.

Yep this is getting ridiculous. I can't remember this happening MotoGP or 500cc at least not to this extent.

I'm all for a immediate cancellation of the next laptime.

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#40 Disgrace

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Posted 20 June 2021 - 09:22

Moto3 is getting messy...



#41 Risil

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Posted 20 June 2021 - 09:22

Masia down again! Moto3 very congested at the front despite negligible slipstream...

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Posted 20 June 2021 - 09:43

Acosta is just beyond.



#43 manmower

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Posted 20 June 2021 - 09:52

Hideous race, but can't argue with the winner.



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Posted 20 June 2021 - 10:01

Lol, chaos in the Moto3 paddock as the track limits penalties are assessed. Starting to see the benefits of a series where last lap, inside-outside overtaking battles only happen a couple of times a year. Speaking of which, Moto2!

#45 Disgrace

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Posted 20 June 2021 - 10:27

Gardner has played a blinder here. Raul pushed too hard, too early. Game over.



#46 OvDrone

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Posted 20 June 2021 - 11:05

Remy making me quite happy at the moment. Great to see Canet there as well.



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Posted 20 June 2021 - 11:20

Remy  :clap:

 

He is riding so well at the moment - can't wait to see how he goes in the top class next year  :up:


Edited by krapmeister, 20 June 2021 - 11:22.


#48 manmower

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Posted 20 June 2021 - 11:53

Gardner on a different planet from everyone else. Really impressive how he's gotten it all together over the last year or so. I'm fanboying more and more with every race.

#49 Risil

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Posted 20 June 2021 - 11:54

MotoGP race starting soon. Quite a bit cooler than Saturday, apparently!



#50 Risil

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Posted 20 June 2021 - 11:59

Lol at the circuit winners graphic.