Multiple attempts to take out a championship rival ... zero sporting ethics.
That's my view... what's yours
Edited by Scotracer, 05 December 2021 - 21:13.
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:44
Edited by Scotracer, 05 December 2021 - 21:13.
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Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:45
I mean they said to him slow down. Lewis was told the moment he hit them. Or there is something else?
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:46
Not a fan of either but that was atrocious from Verstappen on every level. Absolute disgrace.
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:46
No. Because he gave the position back.
If hadn't, then yes, for ignoring Race Control (EX: Mansell banned from Jerez 1989 for ignoring a black flag at Estoril).
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:47
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:47
I love Max, he's made F1 a lot more fun for the past 3/4 years than it would have been otherwise, but today he could have crashed into Hamilton three times if Lewis didn't back out. That's not racing.
Pathetic, weak stewarding from Masi who made everything even worse
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:47
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:47
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:47
5 second penalties are not a deterrent for anything. If you have the pace you can make it a few laps
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:47
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:47
Max actions were worthy of a DSQ all day long. What an absolute brat he is.
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:48
Lol, fanboyism in here is crazy sometimes. Max tried to give the position back as he should have, it's not his fault that Lewis hit him from behind.
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:48
No, but this is crazy. You cant drive like this, we either crash or i cut track or do what i want but you won't overtake.
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:48
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:48
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:49
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:50
Let's add a 4 quesiton poll maybe:
Question 1:
Which red flag left you with more disgust due to the advantage a driver got:
1. Imola 2021
2. Jeddah 2021
Question 2:
Which VSC left you with more disgust due to the advantage a driver got:
1. Imola 2020
2. Jeddah 2021
Question 3:
Which driver alleged break test left you with more disgust due to the reason why that alleged break test happened:
1. Baku 2016
2. Jeddah 2021
Question 4:
Which race where driver gave a position back only just to immediately retake the position left you with more disgust:
1. Spa 2008
2. Jeddah 2021
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:50
Yes slowing on a super fast main straight like that is beyond Dangerous, imagine if there was lapped cars or other cars coming also.
Problem is they give Max these weak penalties he is going to carry on driving dangerous and will take his rival out to win the championship at the next race if needed.
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:51
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:52
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:52
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:52
Lewis ran into the back of Verstappen, that is worse than anything Max did, and drove him off track when he was let through.
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:52
100%.That was the most disgraceful performance that I have ever seen.... it's even worse than anything Michael ever did.
Multiple attempts to take out a championship rival ... zero sporting ethics.
That's my view... what's yours
Edited by Tenmantaylor, 05 December 2021 - 19:53.
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:53
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:53
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:53
Why are you blaming Max for slowing down? They told him to do that. Is this even a real discussion, or you have additional details that confirms that Max wanted to damage Lewis on purpose?
Edited by Astandahl, 05 December 2021 - 19:54.
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:53
Max raced hard no doubt but why didnt Lewis just go past Max?
Causing a collision. Penalty.
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:54
Discuss.
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:54
Yes slowing on a super fast main straight like that is beyond Dangerous, imagine if there was lapped cars or other cars coming also.
Problem is they give Max these weak penalties he is going to carry on driving dangerous and will take his rival out to win the championship at the next race if needed.
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:55
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:55
Lewis ran into the back of Verstappen, that is worse than anything Max did, and drove him off track when he was let through.
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:55
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:55
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:56
The contact obviously!
I haven’t made up my mind yet.
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:56
Do you understand the risk/reward relationship of a brake test and whn it happens and why? So many people even here in a racing forum who don't know what racing is and why drivers do certain things.Lewis ran into the back of Verstappen, that is worse than anything Max did, and drove him off track when he was let through.
Edited by Tenmantaylor, 05 December 2021 - 19:57.
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:56
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:56
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:56
+1 thisThe David Coulthard school of ‘let him by’
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Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:56
Driver of the day **** off
Cutting across the corner to gain an advantage, forcing Lewis off in a Brazil 2 move, not handing a place back properly, then brake testing and moving when doing it properly, I can't recall a more disgusting display of driving
The FIA have allowed this to develop by letting him drive how he likes over several years
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:56
This wasn’t slowing down to give position… you should do it in a safe manner. He braked hard almost at the middle of the track, his rear end moved, Hamilton couldn’t know if he was changing direction.
3 penalty deserving incidents in one race, this deserves a race ban in my books.
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:56
Lewis didnt know Max was going to let him by. In all honesty, that incident really seems like a miscommunication mostly.
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:57
Edited by TennisUK, 05 December 2021 - 19:57.
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:57
What this thread is, is basically an opportunity for zealots to circlejerk themselves into oblivion.
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:57
No, don't be ridiculous.
Good god, this forum is going to be nuclear for the next few days...
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:57
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:57
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:57
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:57
Do you understand the risk/reward relationship of a brake test and whn it happens and why? So many people even here in a racing forum who don't know what racing is and why drivers do certain things.
Like saying Michael Schumacher stood to gain an advantage from driving into the back of DC at Spa. DC didn't brake test MS then who was sustained unsighted in the spray). Lewis had zero to gain driving into Max, Max had everything to gain and it almost worked. It was a miracle Lewis could continue let alone maintain pace.
Have you got any evidence for a break test?
Posted 05 December 2021 - 19:58
He was asked to give the place back. He slowed. His rival ran into the back of him.
Hamilton clearly was trying to NOT go past before the DRS line. Trying to get too clever, a la Canada 2012.
What I find the most appalling in what was a pretty appalling day overall was how Mercedes and Hamilton were allowed to get away with so much, while MV gets called out for his errors. What about Bottas and Hamilton slowing the pack down at the SC restart? Or forcing Red Bull to give the place back to Hamilton - twice. Or getting the Merc to the front of the pack by moaning to the stewards.
This was a loaded race, and it was loaded against Red Bull, make no mistake.