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#1 statman

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 13:15

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The festivities are in full swing, Verstappen, Horner, Marko etc are in the picture but there's one man who I think deserves enormous respect but usually keeps a low profile: Adrian Newey. Aerodynamicist, designer, engineer, technical officer, whatever his title is.
 
"Newey is the only designer to have won constructors' titles with three different Formula One teams"
 
"Newey's designs also won the 1985 and 1986 CART (Indycar) titles."
 
Newey-designed cars have won the following Formula One World Constructors' Championships:
 
1992 – Williams FW14B
1993 – Williams FW15C
1994 – Williams FW16
1996 – Williams FW18
1997 – Williams FW19
1998 – McLaren MP4/13
2010 – Red Bull RB6
2011 – Red Bull RB7
2012 – Red Bull RB8
2013 – Red Bull RB9
 
Formula One World Drivers' Championships
1992 - Williams FW14B (Mansell)
1993 - Williams FW15C (Prost)
1996 - Williams FW18 (Hill)
1997 - Williams FW19 (Villeneuve)
1998 - McLaren MP4/13 (Hakkinen)
1999 - McLaren MP4/14 (Hakkinen)
2010 – Red Bull RB6 (Vettel)
2011 – Red Bull RB7 (Vettel)
2012 – Red Bull RB8 (Vettel)
2013 – Red Bull RB9 (Vettel)
2021 - Red Bull RB16B (Verstappen)
 
CART (Indycar) Championships
1985 - March 85C (Unser)
1986 - March 86C (Rahal)
 
Indy 500
1985 - March 85C (Sullivan)
1986 - March 86C (Rahal)
1987 - March 86C (Unser)
 
IMSA GTP
1983 - March 83G (Holbert)
1984 - March 84G (Lanier)
 
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Next year will be new regulations, can the maestro do it again?

Edited by statman, 16 December 2021 - 17:09.


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#2 mstar

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 13:15

Is this a fanboy thread? 



#3 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 13:16

I am in the process of reading his book, very interesting stuff.



#4 Paa

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 13:18

I am in the process of reading his book, very interesting stuff.

 

I've also read it, but I think it came a bit too early? 

 

I would have liked to read about the last few years as well, especially 2021. I'm pretty sure that a lot was going on behind the scenes this year and I desperately want to have a peek. :D



#5 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 13:20

There's always room for an anniversary edition of some sort  :D



#6 pacificquay

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 13:22

A great man with a great career but the thread title made me fear he had died.



#7 TradeMark

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 13:25

I think you're even forgetting the 1996/1997 WDCs, absolutely remarkable achievements, especially since he never worked with either Schumacher or Hamilton. Since the early 90s, almost everything was won by either Newey, Schumacher or Hamilton.



#8 aray

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 13:40

A great man with a great career but the thread title made me fear he had died.

Yeah ! Same for me.



#9 statman

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 13:44

A great man with a great career but the thread title made me fear he had died.

 

damn, now you mention it! 

 

Sorry about that. Can't really think of something else though. 'Respect to..'? Didn't want to use a sort of fanboy title.  :D



#10 stevesingo

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 13:46

You know that gagging feeling you get when you have your COVID test.

 

I just got that reading this.



#11 PayasYouRace

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 14:33

I’ll change the title to be less worrying.

#12 Arundo

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 14:39

Damn now  i want to know what the title was :)

 

As for Newey, I hope he can build Redbull a car which they can be fighting for the wins from the start again in 2022.



#13 Bleu

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 14:42

Damn now  i want to know what the title was :)

 

 

 

Tribute to Adrian Newey.



#14 sniper80

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 15:01

You forgot the driver titles of '96 & "97 ?

 

1996 – Williams FW18 (Damon Hill)
1997 – Williams FW19 (Jacques Villeneuve)


#15 statman

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 15:05

 

You forgot the driver titles of '96 & "97 ?

 

1996 – Williams FW18 (Damon Hill)
1997 – Williams FW19 (Jacques Villeneuve)

 

 

:eek:

 

Thank you, added!



#16 Casey

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 15:15

Tribute to Adrian Newey.

:lol:

I was already wondering why people thought he was dead but still winning !



#17 AlexPrime

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 15:23

He is great and thanks to him some of my favorite drivers have won many championships - Hill, Hakkinen and Vettel. Bless him!



#18 Henri Greuter

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 15:26

You mention the 2 CART titles but maybe of more importance at those days was the Indy 500.

 

And his cars won three of those.

 

85, Danny Sullivan, March 85C

86  Bobby Rahal, March 86C

87 Al Unser Sr, March 86C



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Posted 16 December 2021 - 15:27

If you wanted to add to the list of title-winning Newey cars, there's also the "lobster claw" March 82G and its successors, the 83G and 84G. This series of cars won IMSA GTP titles in 1983 and 1984 with Al Holbert and then Randy Lanier.

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 15:35

You mention the 2 CART titles but maybe of more importance at those days was the Indy 500.

 

And his cars won three of those.

 

85, Danny Sullivan, March 85C Won after passing for the lead, having failed to make a pass stick earlier in the race

86  Bobby Rahal, March 86C Won after caution flag brought him back into contention with 6 laps to go

87 Al Unser Sr, March 86C Won with a year-old chassis design

 

You know, just to show that Newey cars have already seen it all  ;)



#21 Calum

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 16:40

I recently recycled all of my old F1 Racing magazines, but there was a funny headline and lead story that made me laugh when having a final browse.

It was from winter 2008/09 along the lines of...

 

 

Is Newey Finished?

Can RedBull really step-up to join the leading pack?

 

 

And here we are 9 titles later (5x driver; 4x constructor) going into new rules again!  :eek:



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Posted 16 December 2021 - 16:42

What magnificent achievements down the decades, glad the thread title has been changed to stress he’s still very much alive.



#23 Tenmantaylor

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 16:42

Can't get enough of Newey and Honda. They've turned into a dream team this year.

 

Just as Honda pull out... maybe Horner can join them.



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Posted 16 December 2021 - 17:19

My understanding was that he isn't as hands on at Red Bull as he was at Williams and then McLaren and he heads a large design team rather than designs the cars himself as an individual. Is there anything in that?

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 18:14

What puts in in perspective for me is that he appears in my, now retired, dad's university graduation programme.

 

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I'd like to point out that my dad was on a different course so his name is not in this image.



#26 vlado

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 18:24

I am in the process of reading his book, very interesting stuff.

 

Is it similar to Total Competition ?



#27 Francesc

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 18:28

I wish he never left Williams.



#28 YamahaV10

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 18:44

I just finished his book. Its available in audio too. He did not like the hybrid era regulations and thought about retirement. He will probably stick around for the ground effect era



#29 Pete_f1

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 19:16

Hope he comes up with some good cars over the next few years as F1 needs it.

#30 Henri Greuter

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 19:25

 

87 Al Unser Sr, March 86C Won with a year-old chassis design

 

 

You know, just to show that Newey cars have already seen it all   ;)

 

Now about that one there is a bit more to tell.

 

 

 

It was only because of two failing very late and/or at the last moment failing '87 designed/built chassis.

 

Roberto Guerrero's March 87C  and.....

 

Of all things.....

Mario Andretti's Lola T8700, engineered of oll people by????????

 

 

 

Adrian Newey.....



#31 Ramon69

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 19:30

He designed some amazing cars! A true genius imo! Also a very humble and lovely person, if we are to judge by his interviews!  :up:



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Posted 16 December 2021 - 19:35

Why do I get the feeling Adrian is giddy about the new under floor regulations?



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Posted 16 December 2021 - 19:49

the next generation off cars must be right up his alley, but he's not that keen on hybrids, but they really are a thing of the past also, not like Newey : )



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Posted 16 December 2021 - 19:54

Best ever engineer in motorsports.
Only Chapman and Murray come close.

I think Newey has always converted his driver's into WDC's, that's saying something.
Best hire Horner ever made, and when he did it he paid this guy more than the drivers.

Edited by flyboym3, 16 December 2021 - 19:55.


#35 Sterzo

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 21:16

Best ever engineer in motorsports.
Only Chapman and Murray come close.

I think Newey has always converted his driver's into WDC's, that's saying something.
Best hire Horner ever made, and when he did it he paid this guy more than the drivers.

A good one to argue over in the pub. Zuccarelli, Colombo, Uhlenhaut, Forghieri and above all Jano at least come close - and all those guys were responsible for the engines too, whereas Chapman, Murray and Newey only designed the chassis.



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Posted 16 December 2021 - 21:33

That is a good list Sterzo. But probably with Chapman the tide changed and aero-chassis started to dominated the balance. I would also add Rory Byrne to the list of top aero-chassis designers.

But Adrian is a legend. Still using pencil not a 3d cad mouse.

Edited by DenisForza, 16 December 2021 - 21:35.


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Posted 16 December 2021 - 21:37

Newey said Red Bull had the fastest car for the majority of the season, when he and Horner was interviewed by Sky, just after Max won the WDC. Newey at the best of times never hugs the limelight, He's humble, and a good old fashioned egg-head, and never one to boast, but just to give straight honest opinions. Food for thought, or is Newey all of a sudden a Mercedes/Hamilton fanboy? Food for thought.


Edited by JustNotFastEnough, 16 December 2021 - 21:37.


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Posted 16 December 2021 - 21:51

I do belive and agree with his statement. Mercedes had to bring some 2022 engine stuff forward to claw back into the tittle contention.

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 21:53

What magnificent achievements down the decades, glad the thread title has been changed to stress he’s still very much alive.

Hear, hear!



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Posted 16 December 2021 - 21:54

A good one to argue over in the pub. Zuccarelli, Colombo, Uhlenhaut, Forghieri and above all Jano at least come close - and all those guys were responsible for the engines too, whereas Chapman, Murray and Newey only designed the chassis.

Wasn't Uhlenhaut more in the race engineering domain rather than design, though?



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Posted 16 December 2021 - 21:57

From March 2009 F1 Racing.  :rotfl:

 

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 22:01

Newey said Red Bull had the fastest car for the majority of the season, when he and Horner was interviewed by Sky, just after Max won the WDC. Newey at the best of times never hugs the limelight, He's humble, and a good old fashioned egg-head, and never one to boast, but just to give straight honest opinions. Food for thought, or is Newey all of a sudden a Mercedes/Hamilton fanboy? Food for thought.


Let it go mate

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 22:08

A good one to argue over in the pub. Zuccarelli, Colombo, Uhlenhaut, Forghieri and above all Jano at least come close - and all those guys were responsible for the engines too, whereas Chapman, Murray and Newey only designed the chassis.

As you go back in time, both the knowledge of what makes a racing car quick and the complexity of the cars reduces. It was much easier to design a whole racing car single handedly in the early days.



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Posted 16 December 2021 - 22:21

A good one to argue over in the pub. Zuccarelli, Colombo, Uhlenhaut, Forghieri and above all Jano at least come close - and all those guys were responsible for the engines too, whereas Chapman, Murray and Newey only designed the chassis.

 

Murray, Newey and to a lesser extent Chapman, had to deal with one thing that didn't exist in earlier times and which is as much or more complex than engines: aerodynamics.

 

Also Newey, to a certain extent, has to be implicated in the design of the engine, because in modern F1cars, chassis and engine are interconnected.



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Posted 16 December 2021 - 22:32

Newey said Red Bull had the fastest car for the majority of the season, when he and Horner was interviewed by Sky, just after Max won the WDC. Newey at the best of times never hugs the limelight, He's humble, and a good old fashioned egg-head, and never one to boast, but just to give straight honest opinions. Food for thought, or is Newey all of a sudden a Mercedes/Hamilton fanboy? Food for thought.


I thought it was obvious the RB was faster till maybe the last 4 races, on balance.

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 22:32

Murray, Newey and to a lesser extent Chapman, had to deal with one thing that didn't exist in earlier times and which is as much or more complex than engines: aerodynamics.

Also Newey, to a certain extent, has to be implicated in the design of the engine, because in modern F1cars, chassis and engine are interconnected.

Thank you'll find they have since about 1967

But yes, Neweys genius is in packaging and aero. Its the biggest affector of F1 performance by far.

Edited by Tenmantaylor, 16 December 2021 - 22:33.


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Posted 16 December 2021 - 22:48

I do belive and agree with his statement. Mercedes had to bring some 2022 engine stuff forward to claw back into the tittle contention.


Impossible as engine upgrades are forbidden, I know Honda worked miracles to bring their 2022 engine design for this year

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 22:58

Impossible as engine upgrades are forbidden, I know Honda worked miracles to bring their 2022 engine design for this year


It is possible. Its about timing of homologatin process. Ferrari did it by leaving it late into the season. They were just more open about it.

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Posted 17 December 2021 - 00:35

Is this a fanboy thread? 

 

A fancy memorabilia tabloid thread. 

 

Nothing about his method, theory or proofs.

The cars will not run fast b¥just because he is a media star.

 

 

How about James Key the man made the cheap car win.

 

Or Patric Head, the man who sold the world.



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Posted 17 December 2021 - 01:25

Is this a fanboy thread?

It is for me.
I first met him when he was squeezing tiny drivers into the LeytonHouse at Phoenix. Then about six years later at Williams.

The guy has the most charming and soothing voice I had ever heard and to hear him convince drivers that they drive to the strengths of the engineering and aero innovations was tantamount to being sold snake oil…..

Except it wasn’t snake oil at all.
It was the future.

Jp