57 replies to this topic

[Hotwheels]

Just for my knowledge , if a Fan has bet on Hamilton winning and now loses his bet - can he sue FIA for manipulation and loss of bet ? Is there any legal angle here ?

[Cliff]

Just for my knowledge , if a Fan has bet on Hamilton winning and now loses his bet - can he sue FIA for manipulation and loss of bet ? Is there any legal angle here ?

Nope.

At least not anywhere outside of the USA anyway.

[keeppari]

The first obstacle, I imagine, would be proving that actual manipulation of results took place. Pointing out a procedural error hardly fits the bill.

[player1s]

knock your self out but if you're looking to get rid of your money I can give you my Paypal so you can transfer it to me instead.

Edited by player1s, 17 December 2021 - 11:50.

[ensign14]

No. The FIA owes no duty of care to fans other than those present at races - and even then it’s a duty to keep them reasonably safe.

Even if it did owe such a duty, it is pure economic loss, which is not recoverable as damages except on very special circumstances. And anyway such a loss is too remove - where do you stop?

[OneAndOnly]

How is fan related to FIA anyway? You can sue Russian OC for doping scandal as well then. I mean you can hire a lawyer and try to sue anyone based on anything. If you have some extra money then please do. It would be interesting.

[cbo]

Just for my knowledge , if a Fan has bet on Hamilton winning and now loses his bet - can he sue FIA for manipulation and loss of bet ? Is there any legal angle here ?

Of course you can. There is always a lawyer out there needing a new Ferrari.

Or you could put your money in an old oil drum and set them on fire.

[Beamer]

And another great thread....

[Redaxo]

This salt is getting out of hand.

[Marklar]

only the FIA can sue the FIA

[derstatic]

Sign me up! After the first round of pitstops I placed €10 on Hamilton to win the title. 

[sketchy2001]

Just for my knowledge , if a Fan has bet on Hamilton winning and now loses his bet - can he sue FIA for manipulation and loss of bet ? Is there any legal angle here ?

Nope, you can only sue someone you have a contract with, ie the bookie.

 

You would then have to prove that the bookie knew the result was rigged. 

 

Good luck ;-)

[Augurk]

You don't have any legal position regarding the FIA.

Closest you could come is sueing your TV provider or whichever source you've paid to see F1 for and claim you've paid for a show that ultimately didn't deliver un its promise. 

Possibly part of the contract value could be reimbursed, but even that would be a very slim chance. And legal costs would surely outweigh the potential benefit. 

 

And consider this: if you have to turn to online forums to judge your legal position, probably you shouldn't really be pursuing the legal case anyway. 

[TradeMark]

Just for my knowledge , if a Fan has bet on Hamilton winning and now loses his bet - can he sue FIA for manipulation and loss of bet ? Is there any legal angle here ?

If that fan wants to throw away even more money, he is welcome to transfer it to me instead.

 

edit: Hmm, I was beaten to it..

Edited by TradeMark, 17 December 2021 - 12:44.

[Deeq]

Sporting/entertainment organisations tickets and contract TOSs are gazzilions pages of saying Satisfaction absolutely completely NOT guarenteed, all risks to you and every gain to us 😁

[ConsiderAndGo]

There are a lot of big salt grinders on this forum.

 

Hopefully this is closed asap. What utter nonsense.

[Claymore25]

No.

 

Instead of wasting money on lawyers, the fan should grow up or seek profesional help like psychiatrist.

[Tenmantaylor]

Nope.

At least not anywhere outside of the USA anyway.

The FBI investigated FIFA and look how that ended.

[DW46]

Nope.

At least not anywhere outside of the USA anyway.

Paddy Power paid out ;)

[IceSpeed]

only the FIA can sue the FIA

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 !!

[Eyeshield]

No it must be a misunderstanding and you must draw lessons from the event that took place last weekend.

[jonpollak]

I will take your case and battle it till the cows come home.
Please call my office and arrange a payment schedule with Phyllis in accounting.

Jp

[BRG]

If I knew how to post GIFs, I would post the Kevin the Teenager "So unfair" meme

[Afterburner]

knock your self out but if you're looking to get rid of your money I can give you my Paypal so you can transfer it to me instead.

TSLA calls.

This is not financial advice.

[jjcale]

No. The FIA owes no duty of care to fans other than those present at races - and even then it’s a duty to keep them reasonably safe.

Even if it did owe such a duty, it is pure economic loss, which is not recoverable as damages except on very special circumstances. And anyway such a loss is too remove - where do you stop?

 

What about Merc employees who lost out on their WDC bonuses??

 

Or the team or the driver if it/he loses out on marketing opportunities??

[MasterOfCoin]

I will take your case and battle it till the cows come home.
Please call my office and arrange a payment schedule with Phyllis in accounting.

Jp

I've seen your TV ads and it clearly says "we don't get paid unless you get paid"...lol

[pdac]

If you have enough money, you could try bankrupting the FIA by forcing them into a long and protracted legal battle.

[cbo]

Your lawsuit against FIA is noted. The judge may or may not refer your lawsuit to the jury. The judge may or may not apply the law and if he chooses to apply the law he may or may not follow said law.

Edited by cbo, 17 December 2021 - 14:39.

[jonpollak]

I've seen your TV ads and it clearly says "we don't get paid unless you get paid"...lol

No win -No fee ?
Not me.
I’m on the hourly charge band.
Jp

[Casey]

Just for my knowledge , if a Fan has bet on Hamilton winning and now loses his bet - can he sue FIA for manipulation and loss of bet ? Is there any legal angle here ?

 

Oh you Verstappen fans, for gods sake let Silverstone go !

[RedKloud]

Not everywhere is like the US man.

[Amphicar]

No win -No fee ?
Not me.
I’m on the hourly charge band.
Jp

Works on contingency?

No, money down

Edited by Amphicar, 17 December 2021 - 15:35.

[Szoelloe]

Technically speaking, of course you can. Your case wouldn't reach a hearing before thrown out the window. Not to speak about how dumb it is to bet money on a last-race championship shootout event like this was.

[markpenske]

Just for my knowledge , if a Fan has bet on Hamilton winning and now loses his bet - can he sue FIA for manipulation and loss of bet ? Is there any legal angle here ?

just tell us how much you lost

[Dick Dastardly]

i recall similar questions back in 1998[?] when Coulthard moved over to let Hakkinen win the Oz GP.....people were incandescent with rage, claiming they were out of pocket having bet on DC winning... 

[Izzyeviel]

Step 1: Dress up as a fake Sheikh

Step 2: Have dinner with Masi and discuss how much money it would take to fix a result ala Abu Dhabi style

Step 3: Sell tape to the media

Step 4: Watch people go to jail

 

This is the only way.

[Squeed]

The first obstacle, I imagine, would be proving that actual manipulation of results took place. Pointing out a procedural error hardly fits the bill.

Exactly.  Refs blow calls in games with significant wagers on them all the time. 

[Augurk]

Step 1: Dress up as a fake Sheikh

Step 2: Have dinner with Masi and discuss how much money it would take to fix a result ala Abu Dhabi style

Step 3: Sell tape to the media

Step 4: Watch people go to jail

 

This is the only way.

I'm willing to bet the poor man has gotten nothing for what happened, besides the wrath of the entire world on social media. 

[pdac]

The problem is that the FIA are not the bookmaker and have nothing to do with the bookmaker. Even if they deliberately fixed the race result and it could easily be proven, that still would have nothing to do with a wager between a fan and a bookmaker.

[ThadGreen]

Don't think they could sue but the individual could band together with certain posters on this forum and this would be their theme song.

 

Edited by ThadGreen, 19 December 2021 - 02:44.

[LB]

This salt is getting out of hand.

Its going to be Salty until Verstappen retires from F1 and probably for 20 years after that. Going to have to learn to deal with it. Never seemed to bother Senna and Schumacher fans mind

[Afterburner]

Don't think they could sue but the individual could band together with certain posters on this forum and this would be their theme song.

https://www.youtube....h?v=4xmckWVPRaI

OI! It’s almost Christmas. This is the only version of that song allowed:

https://youtube.com/...h?v=A-roCPSarmY

[wj_gibson]

Or how about moving on in life with actual friends and family?

[Eastern]

A slightly different slant on the OP's question. If the bookies had paid out on a Verstappen win, and IF Mercedes had subsequently managed to get the result overturned: would the bookies then have to pay out a second time on the Hamilton bets? And write off - as obviously irrecoverable - the bets already paid out?

[Eastern]

Just for my knowledge , if a Fan has bet on Hamilton winning and now loses his bet - can he sue FIA for manipulation and loss of bet ? Is there any legal angle here ?

 

He might have a slightly better chance suing Mercedes for NOT suing the FIA......

[Clatter]

The problem is that the FIA are not the bookmaker and have nothing to do with the bookmaker. Even if they deliberately fixed the race result and it could easily be proven, that still would have nothing to do with a wager between a fan and a bookmaker.

 

Teams often fix the result with the #2 having to make way for the #1.

[BRG]

A slightly different slant on the OP's question. If the bookies had paid out on a Verstappen win, and IF Mercedes had subsequently managed to get the result overturned: would the bookies then have to pay out a second time on the Hamilton bets? And write off - as obviously irrecoverable - the bets already paid out?

I think the usual procedure in horse racing is to pay out on the result as declared at the time.  If it is changed subsequently, the bookies just shrug and ignore it.

Edited by BRG, 19 December 2021 - 11:24.

[johnbarton]

This is one of many reasons I don't bet on motorsports! But its also part of the equal frustration and excitement of betting on live sports. I think your horse has bolted my friend. You could sue the FIA but I doubt it'd get very far, and your bookmaker wont refund your stake as a result has been officially declared and Verstappen has been confirmed champion.

 

Id spend my cash on something else - and id start betting on other sports instead! 

[johnbarton]

A slightly different slant on the OP's question. If the bookies had paid out on a Verstappen win, and IF Mercedes had subsequently managed to get the result overturned: would the bookies then have to pay out a second time on the Hamilton bets? And write off - as obviously irrecoverable - the bets already paid out?

 

I believe they'd pay out on the officially declared result. I don't bet on motorsports so perhaps someone could correct me - but id imagine bets on a Verstappen championship were not paid out straight after the race as the results were provisional. I think they were only made official earlier this week?

[Muzzyf1]

Lol