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2022 Mercedes-AMG W13 E Performance (Technical Thread)


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#1 MKSixer

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 16:36

I felt that since today is the first public video of the lump being fired up, it was time to start a W13 technical thread.  

 

Welcome!!

 

 

 



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#2 Timstr11

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 16:45

Wow :eek:  This early? A statement of intent.



#3 MKSixer

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 16:48

Wow :eek:  This early? A statement of intent.

I truly hope so.  



#4 IceSpeed

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 17:08

Wow that is super early isn’t it? Or maybe just a perception since we finished the season super late vs previous years?

Either way if it is early they aren’t messing around! Lol

Wonder if they have revised the 2021 engine OR just started the AD engine 🤣 - that would be funny!

#5 Ivanhoe

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 17:23

Steering wheel changes for Russell



#6 ARTGP

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 17:24

Wow that is super early isn’t it? Or maybe just a perception since we finished the season super late vs previous years?

Either way if it is early they aren’t messing around! Lol

 

Merc usually drop these videos in late January early February.  It hasn't even hit the holiday....It's december  :rotfl: . They're out for blood lol.


Edited by ARTGP, 23 December 2021 - 17:30.


#7 lewislorenzo

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 17:38

Statement of intent

#8 ToniF1

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 18:46



#9 K20a

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 18:54

These cars were supposed to debut this year, so I'm sure all teams are a little further down the road than usual.

#10 MasterOfCoin

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 19:56

Merc usually drop these videos in late January early February. It hasn't even hit the holiday....It's december :rotfl: . They're out for blood lol.

Hide your wife, hide your kids...lol

#11 Wolbo

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 20:01

Merc usually drop these videos in late January early February.  It hasn't even hit the holiday....It's december  :rotfl: . They're out for blood lol.

Well, they do need a lot of time to build all those engines...  :lol:



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Posted 23 December 2021 - 20:04

I have a feeling that Mercedes will dominate the next 2-3 years again like 2014-2016, after a brilliant season the next one tends to be boring and predictable.



#13 renzmann

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 20:18

Wow :eek:  This early? A statement of intent.

Already planning for 2023.



#14 P123

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 20:34

Definite room for improvement from them on the engine front.  Do we know if they sorted out their derating issues?  Plus the aim must be to be able to run the engine as hard as they did in Brazil at other races too, without incurring the same sort of performance degradation that inflicted grid penalties on them.



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Posted 23 December 2021 - 21:23

Are we assuming that no other team has fired it up and simply hasn't gone for the social media thing? 



#16 Anja

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 21:33

Haas already crash tested and homologated the 2022 chassis. So based on this thread it's Hamilton vs Schumacher for the title?



#17 IceSpeed

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 21:34

Are we assuming that no other team has fired it up and simply hasn't gone for the social media thing?


Good point - other manufacturers are probably laughing at the fact that they may have fired theirs up a while back.

#18 SCUDmissile

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 21:34

Haas already crash tested and homologated the 2022 chassis. So based on this thread it's Hamilton vs Schumacher for the title?


Mazepin WDC 2022 confirmed

#19 IceSpeed

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Posted 23 December 2021 - 21:37

Haas already crash tested and homologated the 2022 chassis. So based on this thread it's Hamilton vs Schumacher for the title?


I would be surprised if they are not working on 2023. Didn’t they stop the 2021 chassis development after testing which would mean they have been focusing on 2022 for a little less than a year.

Sorry wrong thread.

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#20 Nathan

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Posted 24 December 2021 - 01:20

I suppose this shows how little was put into W12.

 

I wonder if the decision makers within the team rue that a bit, and perhaps over estimated their advantage coming in.


Edited by Nathan, 24 December 2021 - 01:21.


#21 OO7

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Posted 24 December 2021 - 03:25

I suppose this shows how little was put into W12.

 

I wonder if the decision makers within the team rue that a bit, and perhaps over estimated their advantage coming in.

It was a good decision in my opinion.  It required something quite out of the ordinary to prevent an 8th consecutive WDC.



#22 IceSpeed

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Posted 24 December 2021 - 12:29

It was a good decision in my opinion. It required something quite out of the ordinary to prevent an 8th consecutive WDC.


+ they helped F1 with ratings and ensured Max supporters didn’t jump off the band wagon had Merc/Lewis run away with it again.

#23 ToniF1

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Posted 01 January 2022 - 12:59

I know this is just a generic design and not the real one, but still :cool:
 

New year. New Me-rcedes.

 

 

 

https://twitter.com/...260679283367938

 

 

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#24 ForzaGTR

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Posted 01 January 2022 - 13:01

Sounds like victory for me, can't wait. Number 8 incoming

#25 Calum

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Posted 01 January 2022 - 14:44

Nice to see that teaser

These new rules have me already excited than usual for the car launch window in a few weeks time.

#26 Brazzers

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Posted 02 January 2022 - 03:15

Unless I'm overthinking it but surely Mercedes wouldn't want the rest of the grid to see what their car would look like right? 



#27 ToniF1

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Posted 02 January 2022 - 08:50

It's that F1 show car with Mercedes logo but they probably wanna say that they are already ready...



#28 IceSpeed

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Posted 02 January 2022 - 12:32

I think someone already mentioned this but most cars will be ready by now. They all had a full extra year to prep correct? Would be surprised if others were not in the same position.

Either way it surely looks like they want to come out all guns blazing. 💪

#29 GrumpyYoungMan

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Posted 02 January 2022 - 14:37

Looks more Formula E than Formula 1!

Has the rear wing melted?

#30 GrumpyYoungMan

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Posted 02 January 2022 - 14:39

Definite room for improvement from them on the engine front. Do we know if they sorted out their derating issues? Plus the aim must be to be able to run the engine as hard as they did in Brazil at other races too, without incurring the same sort of performance degradation that inflicted grid penalties on them.

The derating issue may be worse next year due to no MGU-H…

#31 ToniF1

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Posted 02 January 2022 - 14:49

MGU-H will be dropped from power units from 2026.

#32 Goron3

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Posted 02 January 2022 - 15:08

The derating issue may be worse next year due to no MGU-H…


That isn't happening for another 4 years.

#33 Ali_G

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Posted 02 January 2022 - 16:54

It's that F1 show car with Mercedes logo but they probably wanna say that they are already ready...


Scarbs said this. However the nose is completely different.

#34 sheSgoTthElooK

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 17:18

Why is the Merc team thread locked, lads and gents? Did Toto escalate again or one of his siblings on board? Anyways...

 

I feel like a shark today, that's when I'm at my best. Let's demolish Red Bull... no merci. Perhaps we can drink a Red Bull afterwards, but I kindly reject. We drink Gordon's London Dry Gin. Make Elizabeth II proud again. The old lady needs to witness the 8th...

 

...I liked the black color of la macchina, as well as the silver... black looks ridiculous cool in night races...


Edited by sheSgoTthElooK, 03 January 2022 - 17:21.


#35 Bliman

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 17:26

Why is the Merc team thread locked, lads and gents? Did Toto escalate again or one of his siblings on board? Anyways...

 

I feel like a shark today, that's when I'm at my best. Let's demolish Red Bull... no merci. Perhaps we can drink a Red Bull afterwards, but I kindly reject. We drink Gordon's London Dry Gin. Make Elizabeth II proud again. The old lady needs to witness the 8th...

 

...I liked the black color of la macchina, as well as the silver... black looks ridiculous cool in night races...

What kind of shark? Baby shark tooodootooodoo, Papa shark tooodootoooodoo,... :p  .

Just kidding by the way.



#36 sheSgoTthElooK

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 17:31

Female shark. Take care, those are the most dangerous. Especially for men... :D

 

We need a testing thread... I'm too lazy to look up when they will test. I want them to race again. Not so thrilled by winter sports this year.

 

 



#37 JeePee

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 17:33

Scarbs said this. However the nose is completely different.

No it's not. Remember that there are multiple version of show cars (with different noses). Mercedes is posting photos of this one in black.


Edited by JeePee, 03 January 2022 - 17:35.


#38 Bliman

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Posted 03 January 2022 - 17:35

No it's not. Remember that there are multiple version of show cars (with different noses). Mercedes is posting photos of this one in black.

I don't see people in the Mercedes one :p. Ok have to go, they are again locking me away :D .



#39 ToniF1

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Posted 04 January 2022 - 17:33

A little different slim nose and other

 

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Posted 07 January 2022 - 14:59

7x F1 Champion. Centurion. Record Breaker. Knight of the Realm. Happy Birthday LewisHamilton

 

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#41 sheSgoTthElooK

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Posted 07 January 2022 - 16:01

Tik - Tok - Tik - Tok - it's Marching in  :smoking:

 

Testing

23.–25. Feb: Barcelona, Spain

11.–13. March: Sakhir, Bahrain

 

My time perception is ****ed up, in my mind, it's not January. It will be another epic season - feel it.


Edited by sheSgoTthElooK, 07 January 2022 - 16:01.


#42 SpatialTech

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Posted 07 January 2022 - 16:38

Tik - Tok - Tik - Tok - it's Marching in  :smoking:
 
Testing [/size]
23.–25. Feb: Barcelona, Spain[/size]
11.–13. March: Sakhir, Bahrain[/size]
 
My time perception is ****ed up, in my mind, it's not January. It will be another epic season - feel it.


I’ll be very happy if AMG win all 22, with 44/63 coming home 1 and 2 each time.

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Posted 07 January 2022 - 17:05

I’ll be very happy if AMG win all 22, with 44/63 coming home 1 and 2 each time.

I thought you introduced yourself as an impartial F1 fan, a fan of the sport? How can a true F1 fan wish for something like that?



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Posted 07 January 2022 - 17:11

Yeah not really nice from him, it should be like 18 times 44/63 and 4 times 63/44.

 

Dont get this closed like AMG team thread.


Edited by ToniF1, 07 January 2022 - 17:14.


#45 SpatialTech

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Posted 07 January 2022 - 17:18

I thought you introduced yourself as an impartial F1 fan, a fan of the sport? Who can a true F1 fan wish for something like that?


To even the scales of Lady Justice. Happy for normal service to return in 2023. Genuinely feel AMG didn’t lose this, it was stolen from them, so, yeah, happy for them to steamroller 22 and we can get back to a good competition in 23.

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Posted 07 January 2022 - 17:24

It a bit like rolling the dice 10 times and getting a 1 10 times. Makes you feel you deserve a 6 next time you roll. In reality, the chances are all reset to zero next time the cars go out.

Mercedes needs to deserve it in 2022 by having a better car than last year if they want to have the above desired clean sweep.

How good will their car be? Nobody knows yet - probably why nobody is talking about the car itself in a topic on the car.

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Posted 07 January 2022 - 17:30

It a bit like rolling the dice 10 times and getting a 1 10 times. Makes you feel you deserve a 6 next time you roll. In reality, the chances are all reset to zero next time the cars go out.
Mercedes needs to deserve it in 2022 by having a better car than last year if they want to have the above desired clean sweep.
How good will their car be? Nobody knows yet - probably why nobody is talking about the car itself in a topic on the car.

I just hope they do, is all. Retribution. I’d be happy with that, then 44 walking off into the distance, record unlikely ever to be matched.

If they’ve improved the engine, and managed to get the lost HP back from the change in fuel, I trust them enough to have something close enough to challenge, but I hope it’s a bit more than that. I’d be happy with a 2016 or 2020 again as regards car performance.

Edited by SpatialTech, 07 January 2022 - 17:32.


#48 Requiem84

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Posted 07 January 2022 - 17:39

The aero will be much more important the PU next year imo.

 

With such a complete overhaul of the aero rules and probably the biggest change in the way cars generate downforce in 30 years, the differences between the teams who will get it right and who will get it wrong will be much bigger than PU differences. 

 

Even with 20-30hp less, you can still win 2022 if you nail the chassis. Good thing for Mercedes is that they focused on the car early!



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Posted 07 January 2022 - 17:43

The aero will be much more important the PU next year imo.
 
With such a complete overhaul of the aero rules and probably the biggest change in the way cars generate downforce in 30 years, the differences between the teams who will get it right and who will get it wrong will be much bigger than PU differences. 
 
Even with 20-30hp less, you can still win 2022 if you nail the chassis. Good thing for Mercedes is that they focused on the car early!


I agree, that they let the tokens roll over onto the ‘22 car might be a blessing.

Also agree they could nail the engine, already the class of the field, and mess up the chassis. I don’t think they will, but there are no absolutes, or givens in this sport.

I guess we’ll all have some kind of idea in 6 weeks.

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Posted 07 January 2022 - 18:55

I agree, that they let the tokens roll over onto the ‘22 car might be a blessing.

Also agree they could nail the engine, already the class of the field, and mess up the chassis. I don’t think they will, but there are no absolutes, or givens in this sport.

I guess we’ll all have some kind of idea in 6 weeks.


I don’t think you agree with me, as my point was that aero will be (much) more decisive than PU’s in 2022.

The best PU won’t be worth much next year if the aero package is sub par.