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[brands77]

Does anyone know if the 1950s GP rider Jean-Pierre Bayle was related to Jean-Michel Bayle the Motocross and GP rider?

 

Also with Zonta Van Den Goorbergh joining the Moto3 grid this year, is he the first third generation rider to race in GPs?

[philippe7]

No relation whatsoever between Jean-Pierre and Jean-Michel Bayle.

 

A good source for this kind of question is the Racing Memo website, not updated since the unfortunate death of its founder Vincent Glon 10 years ago, but thankfully still online. The page about "family" racing is here :

 

http://racingmemo.fr...-GP-FAMILLE.htm

 

Regarding the Van Den Goorbergh question, I am fairly sure you are right.

[brands77]

Thanks Philippe, I aware of that site, but I hadn't noticed that page on it. It is a great site, full of a huge amount of detail and obviously lovingly put together by someone with a real passion for racing. I have just spent an enjoyable time looking through it again.

 

From the site it seems that there are 3 generations of Boddice family sidecar racers, but Mick jr I think has only raced since the sidecar world championship was ejected from the main GPs (I might be wrong about this).

 

It is a huge shame the site has not been updated since his death, but as you say, it is great it is still online.

[tonyed]

Jurgen and Patrick were brothers, jurgen being Zontas' father. Who was the 1st of the 3 generations then ie the father of Jurgen and Patrick?

Those DocShop days were the best    

[Jahn1234567890]

Jurgen and Patrick were brothers, jurgen being Zontas' father. Who was the 1st of the 3 generations then ie the father of Jurgen and Patrick?

Those DocShop days were the best    

 

The father of Jurgen and Patrick, Piet competed in a few World Championship in the early 70's at Assen, this was in the 125cc.

[lustigson]

Van de Goorbergh is a third-generation rider? Goodness, that's news to me.

 

I'm quite amazed by the number of siblings in motorcycle racing of late: three pairs on the grid in 2021 with the Marquez, Espargaro, and Rossi-Marini brothers.

[brands77]

In 2022 there are also the Binder brothers in MotoGP - so still three sets of brothers in MotoGP. Raul Fernandez's brother Adrian is in Moto3. In Moto2 Sam Lowes twin Alex races WSB and Deniz Oncu's twin Can races WSS.

 

Remy Gardner is Wayne's son and Jake Dixon in Moto2 is Darren's son, who is an ex sidecar Worldchamp and also raced 500cc solos.

 

If we widen the search to the World Superbike paddock, you have:

 

Philipp Ottl son of Peter, Eugene Laverty one of 3 racing brothers (others were Michael and John), Isaac Vinales - Mavericks cousin, Bahattlin Sofuoglu in WSS son of Kenan, multiple WSS champ, Oli Bayliss son of Troy and the Fuligni brothers.

 

That's just the ones I know of.

Edited by brands77, 25 March 2022 - 17:59.

[Robin127]

Max Vincent, son of Chris Vincent rode in GP's in the 90's.

 

On a much less grand scale I was one of three brothers who raced at club and the occasional national level.

Edited by Robin127, 26 March 2022 - 15:42.

[PJ52]

Max Vincent, son of Chris Vincent rode in GP's in the 90's.

 

On a much less grand scale I was one of three brothers who raced at club and the occasional national level.

 

I seem to also recall Max's brother Jay riding in the 1994 Supercup series

 

I also remember your brother Derek almost taking my calf muscle out on the grid at Lydden, circa 1975?.  

[brands77]

Jay Vincent did the GPs - mostly 250cc and he normally did well when it rained. He also did a season in the 500s on the Pulse, which I think was the old MuZ V4.

Edited by brands77, 22 June 2022 - 07:57.

[tonyed]

I also remember your brother Derek almost taking my calf muscle out on the grid at Lydden, circa 1975?.  

 

Perhaps you should have been less tardy off the line. 

 

Talking of Lydden, Kents answer to the Sachsenring, how about the British GP there next year.     

Never mind all that 'bratwurst' how about a rat burger dripping in congealed fat with boiled onions. Michelin 3 star (M45 PZ4) if ever there was one.

 

You sold me a crash helmet once a Japanese 'HA' why did you not know if you'd stuck flogging them you could have been the 'Yuropian' Arai importer and be even richer than you are today.

Must get together soon. We are having a 'old lags' bash at my place in August, if you aren't already booked at the dentist get in touch.     Long time no speak.    

Edited by tonyed, 23 June 2022 - 01:39.

[Robin127]

 

...I also remember your brother Derek almost taking my calf muscle out on the grid at Lydden, circa 1975?.  

 

If you were that slow starting your bike that Derek managed to get away before you, well, I think the fault was all yours.

Edited by Robin127, 23 June 2022 - 00:07.

[PJ52]

If you were that slow starting your bike that Derek managed to get away before you, well, I think the fault was all yours.

 

On the face of it I would agree with you, but I'm sure I didn't think so at the time!

 

I wonder why Tony thinks I was flogging Arai, they were Shoei - maybe his memory is as poor as mine

[tonyed]

On the face of it I would agree with you, but I'm sure I didn't think so at the time!

 

I wonder why Tony thinks I was flogging Arai, they were Shoei - maybe his memory is as poor as mine

Who are you again    I would have sworn (and still frequently do) that it was a HA, but as you are younger than me your memory is undoubtedly better I will bow to your knowledge here.

I do know that if you wore it backwards you couldn't see out of it, but did you offer a refund 

[Robin127]

....but did you offer a refund 

   Remember who you're talking to.

[WonderWoman61]

Tommy Bridewell and the late Ollie Bridewell.

[serafini]

Brothers:

Juan Salatino and Eduardo

Jorge Kissling and Raul

Chiche Caldarella and Aldo 

all points scorers in the Argentinian GPs of the early 1960s

[gary76]

Ian Simpson and dad Bill Simpson, both Scottish champions and both TT winners.

[WonderWoman61]

Leon Haslam and father Ron Haslam.

[GazChed]

Those us who can remember BBC's Grandstand and ITV's World Of Sport programmes on cold, wet Saturday afternoons will remember the Scrambling (not Motocross in those days !) with the Rickman brothers, Derek and Don, often battling for the lead.

On a personal note my brother, having beaten all and sundry in the quarries on Portland on his home built Tribsa, had the misfortune to come up against Derek Rickman on his official Scrambling debut at the beautiful Bulbarrow track. Having been lapped in a three lap heat, aspirations of glory were put on the back burner for the time being...

[LittleChris]

Dominic and his dad Mark Herbertson. ( & I think his brother in law is Heulwen Archer  Hefyn Owen)

 

 Dan Kneen and his brother Ryan 

 

Mark Madsen-Mygdal and his dad Dave

 

Glenn, Andrew & Graham Irwin and their dad Alan

 

Various Dunlops plus Melissa Kennedy who's married to Gary

 

Peter Hickman and his dad Dave

Edited by LittleChris, 22 February 2023 - 13:53.

[Rodaknee]

Leon Haslam and father Ron Haslam.

Brothers Phil Haslam and Terry Haslam, sadly both died in racing accidents.

[Rodaknee]

The Irwin brothers, Glenn, Andy and Graeme.

 

Tony Rutter and his son Michael.

 

Les Graham and his son Stuart.

 

Graham Walker and his son Murray Walker.

[tonyed]

The Hayden brothers - all three Nicky, Tommy and Roger-Lee

Christian and Dominic Sarron

Superfrog and his tadpoles - Yvon - Miguel, Mario

Eric and Francis Piner

Bob Towse and his younger brother whose name escapes me (I will not print what Bob used to call him) 

Edited by tonyed, 10 December 2022 - 06:08.

[gary76]

Ian Simpson son of Bill Simpson.

[WonderWoman61]

The late Paul Smart and his son Scott Smart who's Uncle was one Barry Sheene.

Edited by WonderWoman61, 22 February 2023 - 13:22.

[WonderWoman61]

Graziano Rossi and his son Valentino

[Michael Ferner]

Ed Fisher, brother of Al Fisher and father of Gary Fisher.

[WonderWoman61]

Kenny Roberts Sr. and Jr.

[WonderWoman61]

In 2022 there are also the Binder brothers in MotoGP - so still three sets of brothers in MotoGP. Raul Fernandez's brother Adrian is in Moto3. In Moto2 Sam Lowes twin Alex races WSB and Deniz Oncu's twin Can races WSS.
 
Remy Gardner is Wayne's son and Jake Dixon in Moto2 is Darren's son, who is an ex sidecar Worldchamp and also raced 500cc solos.
 
If we widen the search to the World Superbike paddock, you have:
 
Philipp Ottl son of Peter, Eugene Laverty one of 3 racing brothers (others were Michael and John), Isaac Vinales - Mavericks cousin, Bahattlin Sofuoglu in WSS son of Kenan, multiple WSS champ, Oli Bayliss son of Troy and the Fuligni brothers.
 
That's just the ones I know of.

Don't forget Wayne Gardner's other son Luca.

[WonderWoman61]

The Dunlop family of whom only Michael survives now.

[WonderWoman61]

Mick Doble and his late brother Chris Doble.

I say this in light of Mick's grandson Mikey recently being confirmed as entering this year's British Touring Car Championship.
https://www.google.c...g/10440759/amp/

Sorry to briefly go off-subject.

[LittleChris]

The Dunlop family of whom only Michael survives now.

 

As per post 21 don't forget fellow racing Dunlop survivors Jim ( Joeys brother ), Gary ( Joey's son),Gary's wife Melissa ( formerly Kennedy ) and Paul Robinson, son of Mervyn  who was married to Helen ( Joey's sister )

[WonderWoman61]

As per post 21 don't forget fellow racing Dunlop survivors Jim ( Joeys brother ), Gary ( Joey's son),Gary's wife Melissa ( formerly Kennedy ) and Paul Robinson, son of Mervyn  who was married to Helen ( Joey's sister )

All of whom I was not previously aware of. Thanks for pointing then out.

[WonderWoman61]

Allen Birch and his brother Peter Birch
https://forums.autos...r-racers-1960s/

[WonderWoman61]

Speedway World Champion Ronnie Moore and his father Les.

[Robin127]

The Hayden brothers - all three Nicky, Tommy and Roger-Lee

Their cousin Hayden Gillim currently races in the Moto America series.

 

The Wyman brothers, Kyle, Travis and Cody all compete in the Moto America series.

[billlawrence]

Pip Harris and his farther 

[LittleChris]

Clive and Gary Padgett

[WonderWoman61]

Sito Pons and his son Axel.

[WonderWoman61]

The late Paul Smart and his son Scott Smart who's Uncle was one Barry Sheene.

Barry Sheene's father Frank was also a competitive rider until his retirement in 1956.

[WonderWoman61]

Did Francesc Xavier Bultó (Sete Gibernau's grandfather) actually race?

[WonderWoman61]

Angel Nieto and his sons Angel Jr and Pablo and nephew Fonsi.

[WonderWoman61]

Sito Pons and his son Axel.

Forgot about his other son Edgar.

[WonderWoman61]

Johnny Cecotto Sr and his father.
https://en.m.wikiped.../Johnny_Cecotto

Edited by WonderWoman61, 05 April 2023 - 19:05.

[Lee Nicolle]

In SA Speedway,, Ken and Kerry I'Anson husband and wife [later] on Speedway Sidecars. Won an Aussie title. 

In more recent times both have played state level roadracing in cars

Son Roger has driven FF and sports Cars well also.

 

The infamous Taylor Brothers. Dean initially rode solos and was nicknamed autumn leaves but with a trainer wheel and a passenger was very good on sidecars. Brother Kevin too was at times as good. Kevin also rode long track. For a decade or so they had a string of motorcycle shops, Taylor Team with Yamaha, Suzuki with John Boulger managing.

They were big time  for a decade or so then it fell to pieces. 

 

There is several other extended families in SA speedway, like most forms of motorsports lots of relatives racing, crewing, being officials etc.

[WonderWoman61]

Did Francesc Xavier Bultó (Sete Gibernau's grandfather) actually race?

Anyone have an answer?

[Michael Ferner]

Did Francesc Xavier Bultó (Sete Gibernau's grandfather) actually race?

 

You mean, the winner of the 125cc Madrid GP three years straight, 1946 to '48? I don't know, but I guess he had to hurry some to accomplish that!

[WonderWoman61]

You mean, the winner of the 125cc Madrid GP three years straight, 1946 to '48? I don't know, but I guess he had to hurry some to accomplish that!

Evidence is proving notoriously difficult to come by unless I'm not looking hard enough. Turns out his real name was Francisco.

[Michael Ferner]

Francesc is the Catalan version of Francisco. Most everybody called him Paco anyway.