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[yolo]

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I think it was always like that.

 

No, I think it has been amended following Turkey 2020 - at least that's Binotto's understanding.

[Gareth]

Well that was pretty fun for Monaco.

Shame it didn’t start on time, feel like we missed out on some good potential racing there.

Big congrats to Perez for a super weekend. Really good qualifying, and his stint on the inters was fantastic and won him the race. He even went forward vs the wet to slick runners, even though that strategy seemed optimal, which I assume required to mega pace on those inters.

Feel for LeClerc, it was his race and to end up in 4th thanks to some awful strategy must hurt.

Another super weekend from each of Russell and Norris. Really driving so well and with such great maturity and control.

Has there been an explanation for Alonso’s pace? That was hilarious but why?

I do think that pit exit line crossing should be a penalty in today’s apparently zero tolerance/strictly enforce the rules F1. But calling it hours post race would be an awful outcome.

[thegamer23]

https://streamja.com/n3pqd

https://streamja.com/6K9mN

Alex Albon what the hell is he thinking?

 

That's ridicolous

Failed to respect blue flag for one lap straight.

 

Is that Albon or Latifi?

Ban worthy

Edited by thegamer23, 29 May 2022 - 17:48.

[SophieB]

Well that was pretty fun for Monaco.

Shame it didn’t start on time, feel like we missed out on some good potential racing there.

Big congrats to Perez for a super weekend. Really good qualifying, and his stint on the inters was fantastic and won him the race. He even went forward vs the wet to slick runners, even though that strategy seemed optimal, which I assume required to mega pace on those inters.

Feel for LeClerc, it was his race and to end up in 4th thanks to some awful strategy must hurt.

Another super weekend from each of Russell and Norris. Really driving so well and with such great maturity and control.

Has there been an explanation for Alonso’s pace? That was hilarious but why?

I do think that pit exit line crossing should be a penalty in today’s apparently zero tolerance/strictly enforce the rules F1. But calling it hours post race would be an awful outcome.

Agreed, if nothing else, calling it so long after the race would raise super awkward questions about why it wasn’t investigated during the race. If they penalised Verstappen, that is. I presumed Perez had already been investigated so I’m a bit puzzled by hearing both have now been summoned.

[Gareth]

https://streamja.com/n3pqd

https://streamja.com/6K9mN

Alex Albon what the hell is he thinking?

Blimey, so that’s LeClerc being held up massively in the crucial phase of the race where he lost 3 spots?

[jpm2019]

 

The Race Director notes from this weekend don't stipulate that he has to cross the line; just touching the line is enough to trigger a review and potential penalty:

 

 

 

He didnt cross the line but for sure was on the line. So interesting to see whats going to happen. 

Edited by jpm2019, 29 May 2022 - 17:50.

[Deeq]

The RBR duo are done for...it will be a Ferrari 1-2 IMHO, yet I am still pissed at the team(Ferrari).

[Massa]

Blimey, so that’s LeClerc being held up massively in the crucial phase of the race where he lost 3 spots?

Yeah

He should have been in front of Verstappen without that

[Hellenic tifosi]

Just saw the replay of the data channel.

 

Perez pits on lap 16 and is very fast, immediately, but obviously too far behind Charles. At the same time Max is attacking, but Leclerc enjoys a healthy lead over him. No need from Ferrari to panic - they have track position over their main rival + a 9 second lead giving them plenty of time to react.

 

After the pitstops, while both running on inters Leclerc hits heavy traffic(Albon) and the gap comes down to 3seconds, while growing to 4.5 a little bit later. Still, plenty of time to react.

 

And at this very moment, they do the unthinkable, double stack pitstop which costs Leclerc at least 3-4 seconds. Difference between Max and Leclerc after Max's pitstop was less than a second.

 

Without Latifi's intervention, Sainz would have probably won(on what was a correct strategy call), and without the double stack pitstop, Charles would have come ahead of Max.

Edited by Hellenic tifosi, 29 May 2022 - 17:52.

[Hellenic tifosi]

I believe the RD has to refer the incidents to the stewards first, and this never happened. 

 

RD had a mare. 

 

And where was Ferrari to mention it? Probably asleep, or maybe too tired from 2 pitstops in 4 laps.

[Myrvold]

Albon is an ex RB driver...

Still paid by RB

[FortiFord]

The RBR duo are done for...it will be a Ferrari 1-2 IMHO, yet I am still pissed at the team(Ferrari).

 

I doubt they will change the result now. I imagine they will say something like "Car 1 and car 11 did touch the yellow line on pit exit momentarily, but given the slippery conditions and the fact that they gained no advantage, no penalty will be applied in this case". 

[Ben24]

Thanks for the vid tbf when Carlos said he got held up I thought BS but it’s actually pretty clear Albon made Carlos loose enough time to loose P1

I'm not sure what those videos have to do with Carlos being held up. They're of Leclerc behind Albon. It really didn't look like Sainz got held up too badly on his outlap to me. Seemed like Latifi pulled away from Sainz a bit in the first few corners while Sainz had no heat in the tyres. Seemed like there were only a few corners where he got held up from the hairpin until the tunnel.

[thegamer23]

[Fraser1994]

standings

• Verstappen: 125
• Leclerc: 116
• Perez: 110
• Russell: 84
• Sainz: 83
• Hamilton: 50
• Norris: 48
• Bottas: 40
• Ocon: 30
• Magnussen: 15

Hamilton is closer to Ocon in 9th than he is to George Russell.

[RekF1]

Blimey, so that’s LeClerc being held up massively in the crucial phase of the race where he lost 3 spots?

It's hard to know for sure how many places he lost because of it but he would've at least been 3rd.

[Hellenic tifosi]

Albon held Leclerc just enough to lose the position to Max, but it was just one corner. No foul play, just ordinary traffic luck. The problem was the double pitstop.

[Gareth]

I doubt they will change the result now. I imagine they will say something like "Car 1 and car 11 did touch the yellow line on pit exit momentarily, but given the slippery conditions and the fact that they gained no advantage, no penalty will be applied in this case".

I suspect the same, although I will find it somewhat frustrating: are they strictly enforcing the rules this year or not?

[GTR]

The line ends there at the rear tire.

If we retrospectively give the top 4 5 seconds for each of their infringments this weekend, it stays the same.

I don't think the line ends right behind the rear tyre, and even if it does (IMO very unlikely), the position of the rear tyre would mean that the tyre had just crossed the line before the line ended, otherwise how could the rear tyre was at that position where the line ended?

[GentlemanDriver091]

I believe the RD has to refer the incidents to the stewards first, and this never happened.

RD had a mare.

The Perez one was investigated during the race and that one was worse then Verstappen, I understood.

[SophieB]

Possibly it will end up coming to nothing but it’s blowing up a bit, so I’ve split off the Ferrari protest here:

 

https://forums.autos...aco-2022-split/

[Deeq]

The line ends there at the rear tire.

If we retrospectively give the top 4 5 seconds for each of their infringments this weekend, it stays the same.

"Top 4" and each of "their" infringments..since we are finding Up things, No fair add an extra 10s to N1 & N3 for being under investigation NOW. Then you got a deal.😎

[Claudius]

Drivers need to be more involved in the strategy decisions and try and understand the possible alternatives even before the race.
Be more pro-active.

I feel for LeClerc today, so sad. I wanted him to win today.

[prty]

Alonso: "when they told me Esteban had a 5 seconds penalty, I started to open a gap, but either Hamilton tyres were gone, or he wasn't in the mood to go faster and was a bit annoyed"

 

[FortiFord]

There was minimal contact with the line and Max was correcting the sliding rears. Giving the wet condotions I don't expect much to come out of it. Anyway: these things should be directly taken care of by Race Control during the race and not decided hours later behind a green table.

It was als not noted during the race in case of Max. Rules are now more followed to the spirit of the law, seen several examples during the first 6 races. Otherwise it should have rained penalties this weekend for impeding, track limits etc. I think the outcome won't change. It's not that Max impeded LeClerc or something; he was clearly ahead IMO.

 

It's Ferrari who lodged the complaints.

 

"In relation to the two Protests lodged by Scuderia Ferrari against Car 1 and Car 11 for allegedly failing to stay to the right of the yellow line at pit exit."

 

They have the right to try it, but is not slam dunk as others here suggested.

 

It is probably what their conclusion will be, which i personally think is BS. The rule is 100% clear. The saying that comes to mind is "Given them an inch and they'll take a mile". 

[timmy bolt]

This is terrible. Both should have been investigated in the race if there was merit.

Perez especially, his was noted, what does that even mean? Should that not be followed by an outcome?

I don't really care which way things land and i do think if they are found at fault a penalty should apply (this is a sport after all) but the RD has had a mare.

Edited by timmy bolt, 29 May 2022 - 18:07.

[Whitelightning]

Sergio only 15 points behind Max even with the team orders last race. Brilliant effort so far from him.

[timmy bolt]

I doubt they will change the result now. I imagine they will say something like "Car 1 and car 11 did touch the yellow line on pit exit momentarily, but given the slippery conditions and the fact that they gained no advantage, no penalty will be applied in this case".

Surely they all had to deal with the same issue though. If they were the only drivers to do this (they may not be) then I don't think being slippery is a get out. Just means they put too much power down on exit to get ahead.

[Ruudbackus]

I doubt the protest will lead to anything but shouldn't be protests done within 30 minutes of race end?

[Nemo1965]

Sergio only 15 points behind Max even with the team orders last race. Brilliant effort so far from him.

Well, because this sentiment has been expressed about fifteen times now, I can add some counterweight: Perez got a teamorder in Spain, it was a bit iffy, but Max would have won that race easily. Just see the respective lap-times. Now the narrative seems to be that Red Bull stole Perez win, definitely, and gave it to Verstappen. It was NOT that cut and dry a win for Perez. Quite a number of fans want it to be that way, I guess. 

 

Anyway: Perez really beat Max in Monaco, on all terrains. Congrats Checo. Leclerc deserved the win, but Ferrari apparently... didn't. Could not have happened to a nicer guy, this win!

 

PS: For the first time, I switched to Croft and Brundle for the commentating. I thought nothing could be worse than listening to 'Crofty', but the alternative was... Allan McNish. Blabbermouth, spewing endless sentences, in an awful accent. And I like Scottish, 99 times out of 100!

Edited by Nemo1965, 29 May 2022 - 18:12.

[timmy bolt]

Sergio only 15 points behind Max even with the team orders last race. Brilliant effort so far from him.

He's also been really close on quali pace and he's never been considered a decent qualifier.

[WindmillRacer]

Sergio only 15 points behind Max even with the team orders last race. Brilliant effort so far from him.

 

Yes, Max with one more DNF to his name the Perez. Also, Max was on the faster strategy in Spain (with hindsight), it would not have mattered. But Perez is a nice guy and a good teamplayer, so this victory is well deserved and he was quicker this weekend. 

All credits to him, still IMO Max is the better racer.

Edited by WindmillRacer, 29 May 2022 - 18:10.

[Garagista]

Well, because this sentiment has been expressed about fifteen times now, I can add some counterweight: Perez got a teamorder in Spain, it was a bit iffy, but Max would have won that race easily. Just see the respective lap-times. Now the narrative seems to be that Red Bull stole Perez win, definitely, and gave it to Verstappen. It was NOT that cut and dry.

Anyway: Perez really beat Max in Monaco, on all terrains. Congrats Checo. Leclerc deserved the win, but Ferrari apparently... didn't.

I agree entirely Max (specially the stint on softs was unreal) was super fast, but we will never know how it would have end up, we can only speculate, let's not forget that Max's DRS wasn't working that Well as well

[Heyli]

Apparently there was an electronical issue, which was the reason why they didnt restart quickly after the heavy rain stopped.

 

https://twitter.com/...958431078719488

 

(sorry, only a Dutch source)

[SenorSjon]

Perez coocked his tires. Otherwise Sainz and Verstappen would have overtaken him on any other track.

[FortiFord]

Yes, Max with one more DNF to his name the Perez. Also, Max was on the faster strategy in Spain (with hindsight), it would not have mattered. But Perez is a nice guy and a good teamplayer, so this victory is well deserved and he was quicker this weekend. 

All credits to him, still IMO Max is the better racer.

 

This is true, but Perez was very unlucky in Saudi. That SC caused maybe a 10-15 point swing between the two. 

[WindmillRacer]

Perez coocked his tires. Otherwise Sainz and Verstappen would have overtaken him on any other track.

 

Correct, he was wasted. Luckily for him this is Monaco. Like Ricciardo back then with his failing engine mode.

[Nemo1965]

I agree entirely Max (specially the stint on softs was unreal) was super fast, but we will never know how it would have end up, we can only speculate, let's not forget that Max's DRS wasn't working that Well as well

 

Like I said: it was an iffy team-order. But the narrative seems now to be: Poor Checo got his sure victory taken away so good he is sticking it to Red Bull now. Annoying.

[SophieB]

This is what The Race has to say about all the delays,
 

The Race understands that the cause of this was a power cut triggered by the initial heavy rain.

This affected the start control systems that had to be fixed before the race could begin. It also impacted the manner in which the race started, and restarted later on after a red flag.
Race control ordered a rolling start instead of a standing start, despite track condition being so good that within just a few laps several cars were on intermediate tyres.
Later in the race, after a red flag, the grand prix resumed with another rolling start despite the track being dry.
The Race understands that the power issue impacted the start lights, which could not be sorted in time.

[KWSN - DSM]

Perez doing all a number 2 driver should do, wave number 1 past when in front of him, winning in front of competitor when number 1 is stuck further back.

 

And this whole weekend he was the better of the Red Bull drivers, I am famously known as a bandwagon jumper, I am on the Perez version now.

[andrewf1]

Sergio only 15 points behind Max even with the team orders last race. Brilliant effort so far from him.

 

This is true, but Perez was very unlucky in Saudi. That SC caused maybe a 10-15 point swing between the two. 

 

10-15 points swing in Saudi.

14 points swing in Barcelona.

 

Shame for Checo, could've been leading the championship, if Red Bull had more faith and respect for him.

[peroa]

This is what The Race has to say about all the delays,
 

Bye, Bye, Monaco ...

[RekF1]

Alonso: "when they told me Esteban had a 5 seconds penalty, I started to open a gap, but either Hamilton tyres were gone, or he wasn't in the mood to go faster and was a bit annoyed"
 
https://www.youtube....h?v=ZlRliEet5B4

That was embarrassing stuff from Alonso. He's blocking a seat so he can spite Hamilton?

I understand the leader dictating the pace, or the holding up he did in Hungary last year to secure a team victory, but he didn't even want to get into a position to capitalise on mistakes in front of him. Lewis lives in his head it seems.

[Garagista]

Like I said: it was an iffy team-order. But the narrative seems now to be: Poor Checo got his sure victory taken away so good he is sticking it to Red Bull now. Annoying.

Oh yeah!!! That narrative is indeed annoying I agree, specially that Perez is not making that cry, at least not publicly.

[P123]

That was embarrassing stuff from Alonso. He's blocking a seat so he can spite Hamilton?

I understand the leader dictating the pace, or the holding up he did in Hungary last year to secure a team victory, but he didn't even want to get into a position to capitalise on mistakes in front of him. Lewis lives in his head it seems.

 

Oh, LOL!  So he went that slow to make Hamilton annoyed.  Ah well, it's been a tough decade so you have to take the small victories I guess.  

[MortenF1]

(…) …but the alternative was... Allan McNish. Blabbermouth, spewing endless sentences, in an awful accent. And I like Scottish, 99 times out of 100!

I’m the same! 99 times out of 100 I really like listening to Scottish, but McNish was awful to listen to, and he seemed pretty clueless too!

[SilverArrow31]

I’m the same! 99 times out of 100 I really like listening to Scottish, but McNish was awful to listen to, and he seemed pretty clueless too!

I think Ant Davidson has replaced him in the WEC commentary... which is brilliant IMO

[Hellenic tifosi]

Just saw some onboards from Leclerc - I don't know what was going on with the Williams drivers today. Albon held him for almost an entire lap, and that seems to be the main reason why his healthy gap to Max was reduced.

 

Come to think of it, another perfectly viable strategy would be to leave them both out with the wets - Leclerc's gap to Sainz pretty much ensured that he was safe from any Max undercut.

[prty]

That was embarrassing stuff from Alonso. He's blocking a seat so he can spite Hamilton?

I understand the leader dictating the pace, or the holding up he did in Hungary last year to secure a team victory, but he didn't even want to get into a position to capitalise on mistakes in front of him. Lewis lives in his head it seems.

That he makes fun of it doesn't mean it was his objective. I hope you understand the difference...

[Anuity]

Not that it’s relevant, but this season Seb is looking very tired and physically like if he’s around 50, not 35. Maybe it’s the hair though.