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[pdac]

I guess in an environment where everyone is calling for closer racing, maybe they should introduce the 100.05% rule.

[ClubmanGT]

The whole idea is nonsense and undermines the very concept of racing.  The minimum speed idea on ovals is a red herring as that can clearly be monitored whereas it would be impossible to legislate a minimum speed on road courses.  And WE DO NOT NEED ANY MORE SILLY RULES!!!!!  We have more than enough already and the FIA can't cope with what they already have.

 

Lmao, I like the idea of the FIA being so busy enforcing a minimum speed at Monaco that they make a mistake on something like, oh I don't know... bringing in the safety car. 

 

"OK Nando, because your first sector delta is +0.5, the FIA have told us you have to go around Lowes at about 200kmh"

[SophieB]

I want this to happen now.

[Anuity]

How would it help Hamilton to get past Alonso if Fernando would be driving faster?

Edited by Anuity, 31 May 2022 - 19:49.

[pup]

Point would be to keep the race from being a competition of how slow can you go. And to avoid the danger of having a full train of cars that need to be lapped. I mean, there’s a reason the 107% rule exists - it’s not to trim down the field but to keep a dangerously slow car out of everyone’s way. So why everyone thinks it’s fine that someone drives that slowly on purpose is a bit bewildering.

It would basically be a Monaco rule since there isn’t any other track where you can get away with being purposefully slow. I mean, I agree that it’s allowed with the current rules and by some ultra-purist interpretation, it’s still ‘racing’, but it’s no fun to watch. And Alonso and Bernoldi both came out just looking like asses, so why even allow it? If they can’t drive a proper race then park it and go home.

[pup]

Lmao, I like the idea of the FIA being so busy enforcing a minimum speed at Monaco that they make a mistake on something like, oh I don't know... bringing in the safety car.

"OK Nando, because your first sector delta is +0.5, the FIA have told us you have to go around Lowes at about 200kmh"

They do it for every VSC, so…

[ARTGP]

How would it help Hamilton to get past Alonso if Fernando would be driving faster?

 

It boggles the mind  .

 

In all seriousness, anything could have happened. More rain, a late race safety car, Hamilton will have been deprived of any opportunity to mix it with Norris and Russell through pitstops at the end of the race. 

Edited by ARTGP, 31 May 2022 - 20:26.

[pdac]

Maybe the rule should be that if a car behind can keep up with you, then you are obliged to let them pass and if you can then keep up with them, they are obliged to let you pass - and so on until one breaks away. That way, the cars should always end the race in their pace order (and the world of motor racing will be in harmony once more)

Edited by pdac, 31 May 2022 - 21:19.

[MikeTekRacing]

Maybe the rule should be that if a car behind can keep up with you, then you are obliged to let them pass and if you can then keep up with them, they are obliged to let you pass - and so on until one breaks away. That way, the cars should always end the race in their pace order (and the world of motor racing will be in harmony once more)

that's time trial racing...track position is important. You're faster - pass. You can't pass - maybe you should not have been behind if you're faster.

[pdac]

that's time trial racing...track position is important. You're faster - pass. You can't pass - maybe you should not have been behind if you're faster.

 

Sounds like that's what people like the OP might be looking for.

[danmills]

Any other track driving that much slower you'd get overtaken.

Thus the issue is Monaco and the added factor of cars being too big these days.

[MikeTekRacing]

But that's Monaco.

Checo was also clearly saving his tyres through the graining. He could safely do that almost all the lap - he needed to make sure he has a good exit before the tunnel and out of Rascasse. And his rears were in great shape. Protecting the fronts as much as he could. in the hairpin he was almost parking it - nothing you can do there

Edited by MikeTekRacing, 31 May 2022 - 22:54.

[pup]

So what would people think if the top teams started using this tactic for every Monaco race? Say you secure the top two positions on track, then the second driver deliberately holds up the rest of the field while P1 scoots away to a safe pit stop margin. Then he gets an extra pit stop for free or they're guaranteed to be able to double stack if there's a safety car, while everyone else would be guaranteed to not be able to.

[ARTGP]

So what would people think if the top teams started using this tactic for every Monaco race? Say you secure the top two positions on track, then the second driver deliberately holds up the rest of the field while P1 scoots away to a safe pit stop margin. Then he gets an extra pit stop for free or they're guaranteed to be able to double stack if there's a safety car, while everyone else would be guaranteed to not be able to.

 

Mclaren did this in 2019. Used Norris to give Sainz a free pitstop. 

Edited by ARTGP, 31 May 2022 - 23:20.

[MikeTekRacing]

 Say you secure the top two positions on track

that warrants a 1-2 anytime*

 

* unless your name is Ferrari

[pdac]

Any other track driving that much slower you'd get overtaken.

Thus the issue is Monaco and the added factor of cars being too big these days.

 

Well, really it's anywhere that you can make your car wide enough to  thwart the attacker. In Monaco, that's pretty much all of the track. On other circuits, there are places that you cannot do that.

[danmills]

Monaco these days is like watching a single lane marble run and expecting the balls to magically swap places.

[pdac]

Monaco these days is like watching a single lane marble run and expecting the balls to magically swap places.

 

Yet they do. The result is never 100% guaranteed at the start. This year, for example, we saw Ferrari throw away a massive advantage. We also watch Perez circuiting for several laps knowing that at any moment it was possible that something could go wrong. The suspense is always there even if the dramatic occurrences are seldom delivered.

[Ali_G]

Should we not just do away with race positions? Points should be awarded based on fastest laps but over a GP distance? Cars could then back off other cars and give themselves space to do fast laps.

[chrcol]

The hatred towards a driver on here is showing, autosport feels like its become a dumping ground for driver tribes.  The thread is about alonso driving slow enough and should it warrant a debate on min speed rule during races but somehow it was shoehorned.

[pup]

The hatred towards a driver on here is showing, autosport feels like its become a dumping ground for driver tribes. The thread is about alonso driving slow enough and should it warrant a debate on min speed rule during races but somehow it was shoehorned.

Sorry, too cryptic for me. Explain?

Edited by pup, 04 June 2022 - 00:35.

[smitten]

Point would be to keep the race from being a competition of how slow can you go. And to avoid the danger of having a full train of cars that need to be lapped. I mean, there’s a reason the 107% rule exists - it’s not to trim down the field but to keep a dangerously slow car out of everyone’s way. So why everyone thinks it’s fine that someone drives that slowly on purpose is a bit bewildering.

It would basically be a Monaco rule since there isn’t any other track where you can get away with being purposefully slow. I mean, I agree that it’s allowed with the current rules and by some ultra-purist interpretation, it’s still ‘racing’, but it’s no fun to watch. And Alonso and Bernoldi both came out just looking like asses, so why even allow it? If they can’t drive a proper race then park it and go home.

 

“The secret is to win going as slowly as possible”

[pup]

I guess Alonso overlooked the winning part of that advice.