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#1 Atreiu

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 16:40

Two mechanical DNFs, off track moment at Barcelona, spin at Hungary, losing the qualifying battle to main rival, more than a couple of poor qualifying sessions losing out to two rivals or more… All that is left is a win from the pits.

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#2 Diablobb81

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 16:44

Do you need a tissue for this?



#3 crespo

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 16:45

Really?



#4 Casey

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 16:46

Wut ?



#5 jjcale

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 16:49

Two mechanical DNFs, off track moment at Barcelona, spin at Hungary, losing the qualifying battle to main rival, more than a couple of poor qualifying sessions losing out to two rivals or more… All that is left is a win from the pits.

 Whisper it quietly .... he is a supremely talented driver in great car ... but he is only 24/25 ... he is still not the finished article. 

 

Edit - in the old days he would just be getting to F1 .... in the really old days you could die doing F1 if you were not mature enough. 


Edited by jjcale, 01 October 2022 - 16:50.


#6 Muppetmad

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 16:49

If this is the clumsiest dominant season ever, then the rest of the grid should be petrified of Verstappen going forward.


Edited by Muppetmad, 01 October 2022 - 16:49.


#7 PlatenGlass

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 16:54

It's not that clumsy.

#8 Roadhouse

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 16:55

Nvm, shouldn't get baited in these.


Edited by Roadhouse, 01 October 2022 - 17:00.


#9 jee

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 17:00

Schumacher 1994 is a very strong competitor on this one.



#10 Cliff

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 17:27

Two mechanical DNFs, off track moment at Barcelona, spin at Hungary, losing the qualifying battle to main rival, more than a couple of poor qualifying sessions losing out to two rivals or more… All that is left is a win from the pits.


You do realize he was about to take pole by about a second, right?

#11 PlatenGlass

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 17:28

You do realize he was about to take pole by about a second, right?

But I suppose he's talking about the team as much as Verstappen himself.

#12 EightGear

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 17:30

Nice so winning 5 races straight is considered clumsy now.

#13 SenorSjon

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 18:57

Two mechanical DNFs, off track moment at Barcelona, spin at Hungary, losing the qualifying battle to main rival, more than a couple of poor qualifying sessions losing out to two rivals or more… All that is left is a win from the pits.


Welcome to F1, your first season?

#14 ARTGP

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 19:30

Is this you as well?

 

Ocon is average at best and flatters Alonso.

 

 

We're 2 for 2 today. 


Edited by ARTGP, 01 October 2022 - 19:32.


#15 Atreiu

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 19:49

You guys and gals need to chill. It’s a simple observation on how they have been dominant but not flawless.

#16 ARTGP

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 19:56

You guys and gals need to chill. It’s a simple observation on how they have been dominant but not flawless.

 

Well let's look at Hamilton's 2020 in the almighty W11: 

 

Speeding under yellow in Austria qualifying

Collision w/ Albon in Austria

Drives into closed pitlane in Monza

Goes off track and loses a place in Turkey

Illegal practice start in Russia

Collision w/  Albon in Brazil

Covid in Bahrain

 

 

In 2022, Ferrari have had many poles because their car was actually competitive before TD039.  If the car didn't matter in qualifying, Hamilton would have a pole already  :wave:


Edited by ARTGP, 01 October 2022 - 20:00.


#17 jwill189

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 19:57

You guys and gals need to chill. It’s a simple observation on how they have been dominant but not flawless.

 

There's a significant difference between not being flawless and having the most clumsy dominate season ever. Telling people they need to chill with your title shows you did not make this thread in good faith.



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Posted 01 October 2022 - 20:02

There's some sort of good point around here, it's just packaged in a way that's rubbing off people.

It's just been a very weird season. First Ferrari were fastest and totally pissed away their advantage, and then Red Bull became fastest but not by much and still inconsistent in qualifying.

That it has ended up in a driver absolutely dominating everyone in the standings, does seem a little bizarre and unusual. Even more so if you notice that there have been indeed a few small mess-ups from team and driver (though I don't think Max has made many errors at all), and it still didn't really hinder them since everyone else were busy tripping upon themselves. Weird year.

#19 HerbieMcQueen

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 20:15

This is why I have my reservations about democracy.



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#20 MJB5990

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 20:26

Well let's look at Hamilton's 2020 in the almighty W11:

Speeding under yellow in Austria qualifying
Collision w/ Albon in Austria
Drives into closed pitlane in Monza
Goes off track and loses a place in Turkey
Illegal practice start in Russia
Collision w/ Albon in Brazil
Covid in Bahrain


In 2022, Ferrari have had many poles because their car was actually competitive before TD039. If the car didn't matter in qualifying, Hamilton would have a pole already :wave:


Lewis and Albons collision in Brazil was 2019.

#21 ARTGP

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 21:26

Lewis and Albons collision in Brazil was 2019.


Thanks I’ve got that mixed up. No race in Brazil in 2020.

#22 TheFish

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 21:33

Him catching covid was really a negative on his 2020 season though.

#23 JimmyClark

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 22:22

I think Schumacher's two 2004 incidents of crashing into Montoya under the safety car at Monaco and crashing into Albjers on the lap to the grid in China probably count for about five of these issues each.

Edited by JimmyClark, 01 October 2022 - 22:22.


#24 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 22:24

I think Schumacher's two 2004 incidents of crashing into Montoya under the safety car at Monaco and crashing into Albjers on the lap to the grid in China probably count for about five of these issues each.

Didn’t Montoya crash into him?

#25 JimmyClark

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 22:32

Didn’t Montoya crash into him?


If I recall correctly (and I'm happy to be corrected!) it was Schumacher braking erratically that caused the incident.

Edited by JimmyClark, 01 October 2022 - 22:33.


#26 DS27

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 22:56

That's harsh on Ferrari



#27 P123

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 23:24

Two mechanical DNFs, off track moment at Barcelona, spin at Hungary, losing the qualifying battle to main rival, more than a couple of poor qualifying sessions losing out to two rivals or more… All that is left is a win from the pits.

 

I don't get it?

 

Max has been fairly serene, so I'm not sure it would come close to clumsy... the opposite really.  But as you note, no season is ever perfect.  As for quali battle, the Ferrari has been the car to have there, whereas race pace and operations, as well as less driver errors has firmly been on the side of Red Bull.

 

 

Well let's look at Hamilton's 2020 in the almighty W11: 

 

LOL- didn't take long for Hamilton to crop up!  Why not his 2008- a championship season, but probably his worst. ;)

 

Didn’t Montoya crash into him?

 

How dare you.  ):



#28 Ali_G

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 23:27

I think Schumacher's two 2004 incidents of crashing into Montoya under the safety car at Monaco and crashing into Albjers on the lap to the grid in China probably count for about five of these issues each.


Schumacher’s 94 British GP debacle was worse quite frankly.

#29 P123

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 23:27

There's some sort of good point around here, it's just packaged in a way that's rubbing off people.

It's just been a very weird season. First Ferrari were fastest and totally pissed away their advantage, and then Red Bull became fastest but not by much and still inconsistent in qualifying.

That it has ended up in a driver absolutely dominating everyone in the standings, does seem a little bizarre and unusual. Even more so if you notice that there have been indeed a few small mess-ups from team and driver (though I don't think Max has made many errors at all), and it still didn't really hinder them since everyone else were busy tripping upon themselves. Weird year.

 

Yes... it's one of those years where the championship should be close, but one side of the battle has decided it's easier to cock up than actually win races.  The description of clumsy best belongs to Ferrari.  2018 should have been closer.  2022 is 2018 on steroids.



#30 JimmyClark

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Posted 01 October 2022 - 23:32

Schumacher’s 94 British GP debacle was worse quite frankly.


I wouldn't say that was a dominant season though, albeit Benetton should probably have won it a lot earlier.

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 00:11

Two mechanical DNFs, off track moment at Barcelona, spin at Hungary, losing the qualifying battle to main rival, more than a couple of poor qualifying sessions losing out to two rivals or more… All that is left is a win from the pits.


I think compared to 1988 Mclaren, 2010 RB, and Merc 2014 that this should've been a clean sweep for RB, apart from Bahrain where they both retired iirc? 22/23 would've been a possibility tho.

Anyway, why the bloody hell is everyone so cranky? I'll set my imaginary wolf on you if you don't watch out ya cunch of bunts!

#32 Izzyeviel

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 00:32

I think 2007 & 2008 have this beat.



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Posted 02 October 2022 - 00:35

The Red Bull for most of the season wasn't really a dominant car. 

It was just Ferrari's strategy and reliability that made it that way.



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Posted 02 October 2022 - 02:00

Two mechanical DNFs, off track moment at Barcelona, spin at Hungary, losing the qualifying battle to main rival, more than a couple of poor qualifying sessions losing out to two rivals or more… All that is left is a win from the pits.


Is this a knock against Max and RB, or a knock against the opposition who’ve been much worse in an equally competitive car?

Because it should really be the latter.

#35 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 02:10

If I recall correctly (and I'm happy to be corrected!) it was Schumacher braking erratically that caused the incident.

We can agree or disagree on what is erratic/smart driving/stupid driving from Michael.

The fact is Montoya crashed into him, rightly or not. You can’t physically crash into the car behind moving just forward

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 04:19

This is why I have my reservations about democracy.


🤣. Yes, even with this mindset they can vote.

#37 SenorSjon

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 04:48

1999, what should have been a walk in the park for Mika, became extreme difficult for them in the end.
/tread

Edited by SenorSjon, 02 October 2022 - 04:49.


#38 PlatenGlass

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 05:52

I wouldn't say that was a dominant season though, albeit Benetton should probably have won it a lot earlier.

It was up until Silverstone, and would have been without being banned from two races and disqualified from two more.

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 08:03

Imperfect, sure, but who’s actually done a truly faultless title campaign, really? Especially with 23 races. I mean 2022 has nothing on his “I should have been banned from Xbox Live for that” display in Saudi last year, and actually has kinda showcased what a brilliant race driver he is. 1994/Schumacher is the absolute definition of a messy dominant campaign, this year has been imperious in comparison to that.

1994
1997
1999
2003
2008
2009
2010
2012
2016
2021

In recent years all messier title campaigns than this for my money.

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 08:28

This is why I have my reservations about democracy.

 

Still the least worse of all options if you ask me.

Or ask other people now living in countries where their democratic influence has been taken away from them one way or another, recently or a long time ago.

 

 

On topic. I think Verstappen's season looks way more dominant than it really was because of Ferrari not maximizing all of the potential within car, team and driver.

Pity because it could have made the season much better resultswise.

 

 

Got to say, the season as it is has one good thing going for it but that's better not to be mentioned,


Edited by Henri Greuter, 02 October 2022 - 08:31.


#41 HerbieMcQueen

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 09:05

Still the least worse of all options if you ask me.

Or ask other people now living in countries where their democratic influence has been taken away from them one way or another, recently or a long time ago.

 

 

On topic. I think Verstappen's season looks way more dominant than it really was because of Ferrari not maximizing all of the potential within car, team and driver.

Pity because it could have made the season much better resultswise.

 

 

Got to say, the season as it is has one good thing going for it but that's better not to be mentioned,

Oh yes, I agree wholeheartedly. I've lived in some of these places.

 

I, too, have discovered a good thing this year that's best left unsaid. Wouldn't want to upset the apple cart. All things considered it's been an OK year.



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Posted 02 October 2022 - 10:25

Arguably Mercedes could have taken 1-2 at every race in 2014.

 

Concluding the races they didn't have it.

 

Australia: Lewis car failed early in the race

Canada: Both cars had a problem when running 1-2, Lewis retired and Nico had to slow down

Britain: Nico retired from the lead due to mechanical trouble

Germany: Lewis had to start from 20th due to problems in the qualifying

Hungary: Lewis had to start last due to problems in the qualifying, Nico's side messed up with the SC (might have been just bad luck)

Belgium: Lewis and Nico came together, Nico damaging front wing, Lewis punctured and retired later on due to damage

Singapore: Nico's car failed before the start, retired later

Abu Dhabi: Nico's car failed mid-race, ended up way back.


Edited by Bleu, 02 October 2022 - 10:29.


#43 PlatenGlass

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 15:15

Today was a good attempt at getting into contention.

#44 Ali_G

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 15:18

I wouldn't say that was a dominant season though, albeit Benetton should probably have won it a lot earlier.


Schumacher’s 3 race ban was the only reason it wasn’t dominant.

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 15:22

Schumacher’s 3 race ban was the only reason it wasn’t dominant.

Two race ban. It was Irvine who had the three race ban that year.



#46 Ali_G

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 15:25

Two race ban. It was Irvine who had the three race ban that year.


Effectively banned from 3 races given he was DSQ in Britain.

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 15:26

Effectively banned from 3 races given he was DSQ in Britain.

Benetton was disqualified from Britain, still doesn’t make it a three race ban.



#48 WonderWoman61

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 15:30

Well today certainly wasn't very clever on Max's part. At least Perez was there to save Red Bull's bacon for once.

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Posted 02 October 2022 - 15:37

We're all expecting Max to win every race he enters at this point. So of course we remember the usual errors that come from racing at such high intensity. I don't think it's too different from Nigel Mansell in 1992 or Michael Schumacher in 2004.



#50 WonderWoman61

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Posted 09 October 2022 - 13:54

Clumsy or not, it's ultimately paid off, congratulations Max Verstappen!

Edited by WonderWoman61, 09 October 2022 - 14:33.