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[noikeee]

What is going on here, exactly?

[TheFish]

Can someone explain the rules to me please? Do they make it up as they go along?

[jacdaniel]

Hahaha!!!

[AlexPrime]

F1 is a looking fantastically idiotic right now.

[PayasYouRace]

If it turns out all he needs is one point from the remaining races, I’m happy to call him the champion now.

[TheFish]

If it turns out all he needs is one point from the remaining races, I’m happy to call him the champion now.

He was WDC weeks ago tbf, but normally we reserve the celebrations for it to be mathematically done.

[Brian60]

What happened to the rule that only full points are awarded for 75% race dstance? By my calculations only 50% points should be given. As already said, they have made it up as they have gone from race to race. LeClerc gets a demotion for cutting a corner. Yesterday Vestappen gets away with a reprimand for dangerous driving, absolutely no consistency, except to get the results that the FIA want.

[PayasYouRace]

He was WDC weeks ago tbf, but normally we reserve the celebrations for it to be mathematically done.

It’s irrelevant anyway. Full points are awarded because the race didn’t end under a red flag stoppage. It went to the full time limit.

[Diablobb81]

Can someone explain the rules to me please? Do they make it up as they go along?

Something in the rules about full points after a red flag restart.

Winning the second with a dominant performance!

[TradeMark]

What happened to the rule that only full points are awarded for 75% race dstance? By my calculations only 50% points should be given. As already said, they have made it up as they have gone from race to race. LeClerc gets a demotion for cutting a corner. Yesterday Vestappen gets away with a reprimand for dangerous driving, absolutely no consistency, except to get the results that the FIA want.

50% distance is 75% points.

Why they made it 100% I have no clue

[PayasYouRace]

What happened to the rule that only full points are awarded for 75% race dstance? By my calculations only 50% points should be given. As already said, they have made it up as they have gone from race to race. LeClerc gets a demotion for cutting a corner. Yesterday Vestappen gets away with a reprimand for dangerous driving, absolutely no consistency, except to get the results that the FIA want.

 

 

So it appears the reduced points are awarded if the race finishes under a red flag stoppage. If the race runs to the full distance or full time l8mit after a red flag restart, full points are awarded.

[PayasYouRace]

50% distance is 75% points.

Why they made it 100% I have no clue

Because they finished under green flag conditions to the full time limit.

[GoldenColt]

The way he drove this season, he deserved to win the WDC under less farcical circumstances. Either way, congratulations to Max. No question whether or not he deserved this championship. 

[TheFish]

Because they finished under green flag conditions to the full time limit.

That's new since Spa right?

 

Before that this would be a half points race.

[TradeMark]

Because they finished under green flag conditions to the full time limit.

Yes, which is silly.

So if you do a red flag and wait for the last 5 minutes and do 3 laps its full points.

[LukeB]

Congrats Max!
It was clear from the moment you stepped into that Toro Rosso you were gonna be a multiple WDC.
An absolute legend and a class apart from the rest of the field. I'm genuinly happy to be able to say I saw you race.
Cheers to many more!

[andyscoot]

Congratulations Max, it was a foregone conclusion very early in the season. Good race to prove how good he is too; he decimated the field

[yolo]

Max Verstappen wholeheartedly deserves both his championships.

 

Why bring 2021 into this?

 

Oh, and I agree he wholeheartedly deserves 2022. Not even close. RB as a team is miles ahead of everybody else.

[Piif]

Ridicilous, kinda like the whole season actually.

 

Nice to Max obviously to get his first proper championship but to win it in this fashion.... 

Edited by Piif, 09 October 2022 - 08:31.

[PayasYouRace]

That's new since Spa right?

 

Before that this would be a half points race.

Yes. After Spa last year the rules were changed. It was a big news and we discussed it at length.

[dweller23]

Because they finished under green flag conditions to the full time limit.

That's first time I hear about this rule? So if they restarted with 5 minutes to go they would finish under the green with 3 or 4 laps complete and still would be awarded full points??

[Scaboo22]

This is just the beginning. Remember: Max at best had a car on par with Ferrari for most of the season. Had the slower car to begin with and the slightly faster car after the TD. And dominated the season. Pray he doesn’t get a Merc level dominant car, he’ll win 20 races that season.

[Brian60]

Yes, which is silly.

So if you do a red flag and wait for the last 5 minutes and do 3 laps its full points.

Yes, absolutely farsical outcome. Once again the FIA do a disservice to F1

[TheFish]

Yes. After Spa last year the rules were changed. It was a big news and we discussed it at length.

But I don't think anyone was expecting full points to be awarded today so it wasn't clear. Red Bull would have been celebrating much earlier if they had a clue.

[PayasYouRace]

Anyway, Max and Red Bull have been superb this year. Remember when it looked like they might struggle to catch Leclerc? But Max and Red Bull have just risen to the top and let their rivals muck things up.

 

Shame we didn’t get the epic championship battle, but at least the racing has been brilliant.

[Scaboo22]

Why bring 2021 into this?

Oh, and I agree he wholeheartedly deserves 2022. Not even close. RB as a team is miles ahead of everybody else.

I’m not the one who brought 2021 into this. People can agree that mistakes were made by RC, while also acknowledging that Verstappen fully deserved the title.

[TheFish]

Also, on topic, Max has been outstanding this year, as have Red Bull, and they fully deserve both titles. A formidable challenge for anyone to overcome next year.

[PayasYouRace]

That's first time I hear about this rule? So if they restarted with 5 minutes to go they would finish under the green with 3 or 4 laps complete and still would be awarded full points??

Apparently the first time a lot of people have heard about it, but that’s how the rules were written. It fails at the extreme case you’ve mentioned, so probably needs a look at, but that’s how it is and we don’t need more rule changing on the fly.

[Bliman]

Congratulations to Max. And have a great party to all the Max fans and Honda fans and Red Bull fans.

Red Bull was superb this year their whole operation is just supreme to all the other teams.

Honda will always have a soft spot for me due to Senna and they 100% deserve it too.

And what can we say about Max. He is a once in a generation talent and Is so good it is scary. And I also want to say I have begun to like his character. I feel he has matured a lot and is more mellow and I like that very much.

So for all the fans have a big big party and enjoy it.

[Rediscoveryx]

He seems to have a knack for winning championships in unsatisfactory circumstances.

[basimi]

Yeaaaah boois.

Superior race from Max today. Showed why he is the best this year. Calculations are really weird though.

[PayasYouRace]

From the other thread, just to confirm the rule. No ambiguity there.

 

F1 regs say this (No. 6.5)

 

"If a race is suspended in accordance with Article 57, and cannot be resumed, points for each title will be awarded in accordance with the following criteria:

a [...]"

 

 

As the race was resumed and finished, i guess full points are awarded(?)

[LiJu914]

Well apparently this time the FIA at least knows its rules...unlike most of us.

 

Whether this rule is actually reasonable is another matter.

 

Edit: Congrats to Max of course.

Edited by LiJu914, 09 October 2022 - 08:39.

[Ruusperi]

When will he win championship in normal circumstances?

[Mechanic44]

Not exactly a Seb 2010 moment was it 😂

Deserved though been unreal this year to be honest but a rubbish way to win it.

[w1Y]

Congrats to Max and Red Bull.

[geralt]

Unbelievable season from him. He just keeps getting better and better

[TheFish]

From the other thread, just to confirm the rule. No ambiguity there.

So, they could drive for 1 lap behind the SC at the end of the race and full points would be awarded, as long as it's not red flagged.

 

Bizarre rules again from the FIA.

[Spillage]

Congratulations to him. He's already one of the best drivers I've seen and he's nowhere near done yet. Each season seems to be better than the last. It's frightening.

[PayasYouRace]

When will he win championship in normal circumstances?

Winning it with four races to go is fairly normal by 21st century standards.

[PayasYouRace]

So, they could drive for 1 lap behind the SC at the end of the race and full points would be awarded, as long as it's not red flagged.

 

Bizarre rules again from the FIA.

It is bizarre, but at least the FIA are following their bizarre rules rather than making it up on the fly.

[Disgrace]

So Herbert was right all along. 

[Clrnc]

So, they could drive for 1 lap behind the SC at the end of the race and full points would be awarded, as long as it's not red flagged.

Bizarre rules again from the FIA.

It is what it is. At least this time they did follow the rules to a tee

[baddog]

When will he win championship in normal circumstances?

 

Next race when he wins you can stop being silly and give him the credit he deserves for this year I guess.

[noikeee]

He's been to F1 this year what Haaland has been to the Premier League. Terrifying. Totally deserved.

Equally terrifying is the FIA's incompetence. Sure they are applying the rules, *actually* applying the rules this year, but nobody knew this was what the rules said, as millions were taken utterly by surprise by Johnny Herbert suddenly declaring the world champion, neither do the rules make any sense.

[PayasYouRace]

He's been to F1 this year what Haaland has been to the Premier League. Terrifying. Totally deserved.

Equally terrifying is the FIA's incompetence. Sure they are applying the rules, *actually* applying the rules this year, but nobody knew this was what the rules said, as millions were taken utterly by surprise by Johnny Herbert suddenly declaring the world champion, neither do the rules make any sense.

If the FIA knew what their own rules said, and the pundits didn’t, who is the incompetent party?

[Boxerevo]

The way he drove this season, he deserved to win the WDC under less farcical circumstances. Either way, congratulations to Max. No question whether or not he deserved this championship. 

GG Max !!!

[cjm321190]

The points table crofty was on about is only if they did racing then a red flag finish.

If they red flag but finish under time or laps then after 50% race distance it is full points before 50% it is half as before.

[Mat13]

This is just the beginning. Remember: Max at best had a car on par with Ferrari for most of the season. Had the slower car to begin with and the slightly faster car after the TD. And dominated the season. Pray he doesn’t get a Merc level dominant car, he’ll win 20 races that season.

Cherrypicking the details a touch? He raced himself this year. Congratulations etc, but to paint this season as some drive for the history books is fanciful stuff.

[GoldenColt]

I’m not the one who brought 2021 into this. People can agree that mistakes were made by RC, while also acknowledging that Verstappen fully deserved the title.

You were. Or at least a part of your subconscious was.