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#1 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 03 February 2023 - 14:21

Now the PU's been fired up and with only 10 or so days till it's release, let's talk Ferrari SF23!

 

First fire-up for 2023 car (ferrari.com)

 

Obligatory "sounds fast"


Edited by ConsiderAndGo, 07 February 2023 - 10:56.


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#2 oli4

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Posted 03 February 2023 - 15:25

Sounds reliable



#3 Garagista

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Posted 03 February 2023 - 15:52

The WCC and WDC team Topic!!

 

(just said it) :D



#4 dia6olo

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Posted 03 February 2023 - 16:50

Sounds reliable

You beat me to it  :lol:



#5 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 04 February 2023 - 17:12

Rumoured to be called the SF23

#6 vlado

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Posted 05 February 2023 - 20:24

https://twitter.com/...AjYAmqMJ8AUXrcg


Means nothing but cool

#7 Wuzak

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Posted 06 February 2023 - 05:28

Rumoured to be called the SF23

 

I wish they would go back to the old naming system.

 

That is, 166C-5 (or whatever the number is up to).

 

Or perhaps 166C/23, where 23 is for the year.


Edited by Wuzak, 06 February 2023 - 05:28.


#8 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 06 February 2023 - 09:10

The chassis will be 2/3 kg lighter than the F1-75, equivalent to 1 tenth. Car will likely be on the limit or just under, assuming that the FIA revert the minimum weight back to 798kg.

https://www.formu1a....ero-telaio-675/

 

Be good if they had some ballast to play around with.


Edited by ConsiderAndGo, 06 February 2023 - 09:19.


#9 dia6olo

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Posted 06 February 2023 - 15:59

My hope is that they have rebalanced the car so that it is once again a good car no matter the track or conditions which in turn will hopefully have also addressed the tyre degradation issues we developed in the second half of last season.

With the rules and changes they will have had to make, I hope they have managed it without sacrificing too much of what was underneath all the issues a very fast 2022 car.

My other hope is that the PU is now sorted and reliable, if there was more power in the engine that we never really got to see in 2022 because of the reliability issues and will get to see in 2023 then better still.

 

Personally I’m quietly confident Ferrari will be as quick as anyone at least in the opening races and hopefully quicker, how they then go on from that, develop and tackle the whole season has in recent years been poor to say the least, let’s hope they have addressed some of the internal political issues...


Edited by dia6olo, 07 February 2023 - 00:10.


#10 SCUDmissile

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Posted 06 February 2023 - 17:24

They need to be able to defend any advantage from political machinations.

It's all well and good having it, you have to keep it.

Edited by SCUDmissile, 06 February 2023 - 17:24.


#11 Timothy

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Posted 06 February 2023 - 17:36

My hope is that they have rebalanced the car so that it is once again a good car no matter the track or conditions which in turn will hopefully have also addressed the tyre degradation issues we developed in the second half of last season.

With the rules and changes they will have had to make, I hope they have managed it without sacrificing too much of what was underneath all the issues a very fast 2022 car.

My other hope is that the PU is now sorted and reliable, if there was more power in the engine that we never really got to see in 2022 because of the reliability issues and will get to see in 2023 then better still.

 

Personally I’m quietly confident Ferrari will be as quick as anyone at least in the opening races and hopefully quicker, how they then go on from that, develop and tackle the whole season has in recent years been poor to say the least, let’s hope they have addressed some of the internal politic issues...

 

Absolutely, I love that you use the word re-balance. We had such a car for the majority of the first half, Red bull developed their car to replicate such a car (F1-75). We instead, went the opposite direction ending up with an under-steering, tyre-munching abomination to pursue nefarious interests and undermining the Wdc challenge in the process under the banner of being ill-prepared and unready to challenge. 

 

Btw, looking at the 2021 season, a similar pattern played it self out but because we were fighting for scraps, not much was made of it. If this continues this year and subsequently, we can forget about ever challenging for a title never mind winning one.


Edited by Timothy, 06 February 2023 - 17:39.


#12 Ali623

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Posted 07 February 2023 - 10:48

Will be called SF-23



#13 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 07 February 2023 - 10:54

I can't update the thread title so hopefully the mods can shortly.



#14 vlado

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Posted 07 February 2023 - 15:31

I like the name, but they should go back to F(year) naming scheme.. F2023 ;)

Look at this mess

2014 - F14 T
2015 - SF15-T
2016 - SF16-H
2017 - SF70H
2018 - SF71H
2019 - SF90
2020 - SF1000
2021 - SF-21
2022 - F1-75
2023 - SF-23

Looking at the Alfa, I wonder if they will go the same route with the cooling..

Edited by vlado, 07 February 2023 - 15:45.


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Posted 08 February 2023 - 09:32

I can't update the thread title so hopefully the mods can shortly.

Done  :up:



#16 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 08 February 2023 - 10:04

New car supposedly lighter, more reliable, more aerodynamically efficient and more powerful. What’s not to love ?

Car will do a few laps in Fiorano before a proper shakedown at Imola.

https://www.auto-mot...3-name-f1-auto/

#17 Beri

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Posted 08 February 2023 - 12:56

I like the name, but they should go back to F(year) naming scheme.. F2023 ;)

Look at this mess

2014 - F14 T
2015 - SF15-T
2016 - SF16-H
2017 - SF70H
2018 - SF71H
2019 - SF90
2020 - SF1000
2021 - SF-21
2022 - F1-75
2023 - SF-23

Looking at the Alfa, I wonder if they will go the same route with the cooling..


Yeah well, it has always been a mess. And looking since the 80's, after the 312 and its derivatives, the list looks like this (with some good years like the late 80s and 1999):

1980 - 312T5
1981 - 126CK
1982 - 126C2
1983 - 126C2B
1983 - 126C3
1984 - 126C4
1985 - 156/85
1986 - F1/86
1987 - F1/87
1988 - F1/87/88C
1989 - 640

1990 - 641
1990 - 641/2
1991 - 642
1991 - 643
1992 - F92A
1992 - F92AT
1993 - F93A
1994 - 412T1
1994 - 412T1B
1995 - 412T2
1996 - F310
1997 - F310B
1998 - F300
1999 - F399

Edited by Beri, 08 February 2023 - 15:45.


#18 ForzaFerrari3928

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Posted 08 February 2023 - 15:57

I kinda like the names Ferrari uses. Makes every car name unique in its own way instead of having it all be numbered serially which I think is drab and boring.

#19 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 08 February 2023 - 16:16

I kinda like the names Ferrari uses. Makes every car name unique in its own way instead of having it all be numbered serially which I think is drab and boring.

I also quite like the randomness of it all!

 

Just wish their pit wall wasn't so random as well!



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#20 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 09 February 2023 - 12:26

Mission Winnow officially dropped again. God knows what’s going on there.

Edited by ConsiderAndGo, 09 February 2023 - 12:26.


#21 P123

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Posted 09 February 2023 - 12:44

Mission Winnow officially dropped again. God knows what’s going on there.

 

Abandonment of a cringeworthy slogan behind a Philip Morris marketing exercise.  Probably wisely flogged the space to some other brand.



#22 Beri

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Posted 09 February 2023 - 13:08

So the new Philip Morris deal that commenced last may, wasnt really much after all?



#23 Cacarella

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Posted 09 February 2023 - 15:38

It doesn't necessarily reflect upon the Phillip Morris deal. The PM marketing strategy may be changing and they decided to drop the slogan.

#24 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 09 February 2023 - 17:56

Now that the minimum weight limit isn’t reducing as intended and with the chatter of the car already perhaps being underweight, it should hopefully leverage ballast opportunities.

#25 Hellenic tifosi

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Posted 09 February 2023 - 22:55

If the car is indeed underweight, FIA's decision might be yet another confirmation of Ferrari's political weakness :p

#26 steferrari

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Posted 10 February 2023 - 17:02

Nothing to do with the car but it's a nice picture I think, it kinda represents the beginning of the season!

Forza Ferrari!

 

aZET27I.jpg



#27 JL14

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Posted 10 February 2023 - 17:16

Leclerc with the same look as Vasseur. He could be Leclerc's father in this pic. 
Sainz with the "Well, ok......" look.

 

 

Nothing to do with the car but it's a nice picture I think, it kinda represents the beginning of the season!

Forza Ferrari!

 

aZET27I.jpg



#28 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 10 February 2023 - 17:34

The design is absolutely hideous.

#29 vlado

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Posted 11 February 2023 - 13:21

Giorgio Piola: "On the Ferrari SF-23, I'm more than likely expecting an engine cover very similar to the one we saw on the C43 (taken from RB). The radiators are also smaller because this is part of the characteristics of the new engine."

https://twitter.com/...F2WWqNKfjHQhBpA

#30 ferrarista

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Posted 11 February 2023 - 13:42

https://twitter.com/...334407883522048

Very good news that apparently Mercedes is worried for the big step forward that is rumored to come from Ferrari, in a few weeks we will know.

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Posted 11 February 2023 - 15:02

Looking like a genuine Lerclec smile. :smoking: 



#32 SCUDmissile

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Posted 11 February 2023 - 15:20

Can we get the strategists from red bull too?

#33 vlado

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Posted 11 February 2023 - 16:00

Nice interview with the new boss here

https://cafecremespo...le-alternative/

Can we get the strategists from red bull too?


That would be the day..

#34 Mercstar

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Posted 11 February 2023 - 18:42

I think Fred Vasseur is exactly what Ferrari need, someone who is down to earth and calls a spade a spade. 



#35 nemanja

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Posted 12 February 2023 - 00:07

Giorgio Piola: "On the Ferrari SF-23, I'm more than likely expecting an engine cover very similar to the one we saw on the C43 (taken from RB). The radiators are also smaller because this is part of the characteristics of the new engine."

https://twitter.com/...F2WWqNKfjHQhBpA

I am not convinced it is going to look similar to Alfa. Not at all.



#36 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 12 February 2023 - 09:51

Looks fast

https://twitter.com/...4qhTDdi--DkzlPA

#37 ferrarista

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Posted 12 February 2023 - 10:25

I am not convinced it is going to look similar to Alfa. Not at all.

Yes, In my opinion, externally it will be an extreme version of the F1-75, with slimmer, shorter and lower sidepods.

Certainly their success will be down to the perfect interaction between an efficient floor and the suspensions, for a better tyre usage, looking forward to that.

#38 SCUDmissile

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Posted 12 February 2023 - 11:17

It's already flying!

#39 Disgrace

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Posted 12 February 2023 - 12:02

It's already flying!

 

If last year is any guide, it was accidentally left on the jacks.



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#40 vlado

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Posted 12 February 2023 - 15:15

Those are cool jacks tho! 800kg without a problem

Nose is the same design I think, which is good from a visual standpoint

Edited by vlado, 12 February 2023 - 15:15.


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Posted 12 February 2023 - 16:04

So, all 3 “real” cars so far revealed have sidepod inlets like the ‘22 Ferrari, and 2 of 3 have the ridged sidepod top. Maybe Ferrari know what they’re doing after all.  ;)

About the SF-23, good to see that they’ll have moved the steering rack lower and aligned the tie-rods with lower wishbone like on the Haas. Unlike the Haas, though, would expect (like) to see the sidepods with more undercut and more downwash at the sides and rear.

Edited by ingegnere, 12 February 2023 - 16:09.


#42 ingegnere

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Posted 12 February 2023 - 16:12

The design is absolutely hideous.

https://twitter.com/...ej1GkiDBO7bAJhA

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Posted 12 February 2023 - 16:36

So, all 3 “real” cars so far revealed have sidepod inlets like the ‘22 Ferrari, and 2 of 3 have the ridged sidepod top. Maybe Ferrari know what they’re doing after all.  ;)

About the SF-23, good to see that they’ll have moved the steering rack lower and aligned the tie-rods with lower wishbone like on the Haas. Unlike the Haas, though, would expect (like) to see the sidepods with more undercut and more downwash at the sides and rear.


https://twitter.com/...8061184/photo/1

From the cover in this image, it looks like the sidepod in fact tightens and goes down quite early, unlike Haas’ indeed, as I would expect from the Ferrari car.

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Posted 12 February 2023 - 16:40

https://twitter.com/...8061184/photo/1

From the cover in this image, it looks like the sidepod in fact tightens and goes down quite early, unlike Haas’ indeed, as I would expect from the Ferrari car.

Indeed, I’m seeing the same thing.

Also, nose looks the same which is a good thing because 1/ very unique, 2/ I like it, and 3/ I won’t need to change my screen-saver. 😂

Edit: yes, slim nose as per post below. Hope they’re not messing with us using F1-75.

Edited by ingegnere, 12 February 2023 - 16:47.


#45 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 12 February 2023 - 16:41

Indeed it does look to be a slight change in the philosophy.

Nose is again very slim.

Edited by ConsiderAndGo, 12 February 2023 - 17:06.


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Posted 12 February 2023 - 17:00

May it be fast (and reliable.. and win everything... and I get to win the Euromillions lottery :rotfl: :rotfl:)

 

On a sidenote I am so looking forward (not) to the customary 30+page discussion on the shade of red on the car, the amount of black on the overalls and whether the sponsor name should be in yellow or white on the rear wing. :cool:


Edited by Raest, 12 February 2023 - 17:01.


#47 SCUDmissile

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Posted 12 February 2023 - 19:08

The car is never really the main problem.

It's Rueda and friends.

Last year was just astounding.

Edited by SCUDmissile, 12 February 2023 - 19:09.


#48 vlado

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Posted 13 February 2023 - 07:18

https://www.gpblog.c...at-ferrari.html

Good work so far

#49 vlado

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Posted 13 February 2023 - 07:26

97471-A3-D-65-CD-4256-BDC8-6-CF2-A33331-

.. a beauty amongst beasts

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Posted 13 February 2023 - 12:04

97471-A3-D-65-CD-4256-BDC8-6-CF2-A33331-

.. a beauty amongst beasts


Loved the 2017 car, that was such a beautiful car imo. Hope this year finally Ferrari will get the championships. I am cautiously optimistic.