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[KWSN - DSM]

We all do business at different levels with Russia, it is not a blanket embargo - Money and goods are moving in and out all the time.

[Zmeej]

By "we all," do you mean an association of European expats in New Jersey?

 

Canadian government website, "Doing business in Russia (sanctions in force)"

https://www.tradecom...1331.1679230161

Edited by Zmeej, 19 March 2023 - 12:52.

[KWSN - DSM]

We all do business at different levels with Russia, it is not a blanket embargo - Money and goods are moving in and out all the time.

 

No I mean companies from all the countries represented on this forum.

[Nathan]

By "we all," do you mean an association of European expats in New Jersey?

 

Canadian government website, "Doing business in Russia (sanctions in force)"

https://www.tradecom...1331.1679230161

 

If you are Canadian, high chance non-institutional ATMs you may use are Russian owned.

[AustinF1]

If you are Canadian, high chance non-institutional ATMs you may use are Russian owned.

Damn. Scary thought.

[Zmeej]

No I mean companies from all the countries represented on this forum.

 

Ah.

 

So, not “we,” but companies etc.

[Zmeej]

If you are Canadian, high chance non-institutional ATMs you may use are Russian owned.

 

Interesting. Link to source?

 

EDIT: Did a search of "Russian-owned ATMs" and various other variations and found nothing of the sort.

 

One would suppose that if there was a "high chance" that Canadians would encounter them that this would have been discussed somewhere.

 

The only material the searches turned up were year-old stories about folks in the RussFed queuing at ATMs after the regime & its banks were hit by sanctions, and one story about how some Russians who left the RussFed have found transactions with institutions in their home country difficult because of sanctions.

 

In the latter case, of course, my heart bleeds.

 

Otherwise, now I'm skeptical.

Edited by Zmeej, 20 March 2023 - 17:36.

[loki]

Interesting. Link to source?

 

EDIT: Did a search of "Russian-owned ATMs" and various other variations and found nothing of the sort.

 

One would suppose that if there was a "high chance" that Canadians would encounter them that this would have been discussed somewhere.

 

The only material the searches turned up were year-old stories about folks in the RussFed queuing at ATMs after the regime & its banks were hit by sanctions, and one story about how some Russians who left the RussFed have found transactions with institutions in their home country difficult because of sanctions.

 

In the latter case, of course, my heart bleeds.

 

Otherwise, now I'm skeptical.

He’s likely referring to so called white label ATMs that are operated by private parties not financial institutions.  I'd reckon he’s referring to Russian Canadians being immigrants or those with Russia heritage not so much Russian nationals. To operate a white label ATM in Canada you have to be a Canadian business.

[Pete_f1]

It's not always easy to know where your goods end up. Look at all the then new Toyota Hilux's ISIS used.

Heck, I even have a digital communication radio as used by them.

[Zmeej]

[1] He’s likely referring to so called white label ATMs that are operated by private parties not financial institutions.  

 

[2] I'd reckon he’s referring to Russian Canadians being immigrants or those with Russia heritage not so much Russian nationals.

 

[3] To operate a white label ATM in Canada you have to be a Canadian business.

 

Replies slightly out of order...

 

Re 1 - Yes, understood that.

 

Re 3 - Wasn't sure if that was the case, but it makes sense.

 

Re 2 - At this point, there is a mix of those who are still RussFed citizens but not yet landed immigrants in Canada, and/or would return once Vladolf is gone. And yet, there is also a fair number of Russians who have come to Canada since 1989.

 

As such, there certainly are ATMs in Canada owned by businesses run by folks of Russian background, but the statement "If you are Canadian, high chance non-institutional ATMs you may use are Russian owned" is not accurate. That is, it's possible for a Canadian to encounter an ATM owned by Russian Canadian citizens or by citizens of the RussFed who have set up a business in Canada, but the chances are not high across the country.

 

Furthermore, pursuant to loki's point 3 (as identified by my interpolation), it would be accurate to counter with "There is no chance that a non-institutional ATM in Canada would be owned by a RussFed-based business."

Edited by Zmeej, 20 March 2023 - 23:01.

[pdac]

Ah.

 

So, not “we,” but companies etc.

 

I think it's "we" as in "every individual in the developed world".

[Zmeej]

Possibly.

 

And yet, “every individual in the developed world” has a more developed (no need to pardon the expression) sense of individual agency and identity.

 

Specifically to the topic under discussion, despite Kwissen’s clarification, I’m quite happy to refuse inclusion in such uses of the first person plural, and so are many others, particularly those who respect the rule of law, and are not principally guided by the yen for commerce.

 

Speaking for myself, that is, when I'm in a good mood, as I am now. When I'm not, my interlocutors (as Kwissen can attest, and has already been manifested in this thread) I can become more aggressively muscular in this respect.

 

After all, arguably, major swaths of PRChina and the RussFed can be considered part of the "developed world" at this point in the 21st century.

 

At any rate, in many ways, this is a very broad topic best addressed in the Paddock Club, where discussions of these concepts has been and is being examined.

 

See you there, should you care to join in.

Edited by Zmeej, 23 March 2023 - 01:40.

[KWSN - DSM]

I think it's "we" as in "every individual in the developed world".

 

We = all countries in the world have governments and or companies dealing commercially with Russian companies and or government.

[Laniakea]

All Haas CNC sale is pre 3-march 2022 and where reg-rules took effect.

If you wanna point fingers.. then point fingers at countries, weaponizing Putins war & invasion against Ukraine, like Germany

Putins closest alley Angela Merkel kept selling weapons, missiles, bombs etc to Putin. from 2014 to 2020 even though there were a strict EU weaponembargo in play that made weaponizing Russia with western weapons, forbidden.

https://www.aa.com.t...-report/2539421

Merkel is one of Putins closest alley, and its a weird relationship.. Merkel is also from the iron curtain and speak fluently russian as it was mandatory in the iron curtain of East Germany.

Merkels regime sadly been the  main financier behind Putins-regime for almost two decades.. and something Ukraine clearly also knows, and the fact that its sadly german weapons doing some of the horrors to Ukrainian people, and german wespons that were sold to Putin under an EU weapon'embargo..

Significant bomb & missile-sale to Putin from +2014 all the way to late 2020, and AFTER Putin invaded Crimea & kept weaponizing radical groups in east ukraine, and where Putin & co even shot down a plane with 300 civilian people.. - even after all that horror & the loss of innocent life' Germany under Merkel kept selling weapons to Putins regime. 

Daily mail:

France and Germany 'sold £230million of military hardware including bombs, missiles, weapons and firearms to Putin between 2014 to 2020' - likely used in Russia's invasion of Ukraine - despite EU-wide arms embargo in wake of 2014 annexation of Crimea

source:

https://www.dailymai...les-Moscow.html

 

Likely also why.. Germany as the only western nation, were not welcome in Kyiv when all the other head-of-states visited' as it would simply be to provocative to the ukranian people that were being raped & killed in their own homes by german weapons & bombs that were sold under an EU-weaponembargo. / mindbending.

German president not welcome in Kyiv.https://www.reuters....sit-2022-04-12/

 

Hardward Professor "Joseph S Nye" have written quite a few articles about how fundamental Angela Merkel have been in both greenlighting Putins extremely corrupt regime, and how it were Merkel (Germany) that kept puttin "veto" down, everytime the western community tried to put potent sanctions on Putin and how Merkel bullied and greased other countries to push forward for Northstream2 pipeline and so the imperialistic driven Putin could be even more dangerous... when you reading those articles.. you wonder why Merkel havent seen the insight of a courtroom, but it looks like a lot of the german political system are in many ways greased by Kreml and the sovjet-ties from the iron curtain days are to an extent, stil there.

but also a big thumps up to Germany, that they finally took a stand with the rest of the western societies, and we need to stand together and be united in stopping Putins invasion of Europe.

 

I reckon Haas F1 were impressive on how fast they ditched that corrupt oliegark, and it offended a lot of russians by doing it... kudos for that Haas, a shame you turned to that backland for funds, but it was clearly to stay alive on top of the financiel trouble hence Covid and why they turned for two paying drivers in MSC and Marzepin.

The fact that Haas CNC (like many other western companies) were selling products to Russia until Putin went berserk and invaded Europe/Ukraine..is what it is... Russia uses tons of daugthter-companies in Europe, USA, Asia, China etc, and you need to have legal guidelines, before you actually can stop such transations...You can see the same with Russian missiles that landed unexploded on Ukranian soil, and how they contained tons of western electronic happengut from some of the biggest western-tech companies, like adv. chips, & cirquitry from the west.

Quite a wakeup call for the west to realize the extent.. but again.. Russia do use a lot of daughter-companies abroad and will gladly overpay, and its close to impossible to decipher & restrict those, if you aint having actually legal restrictions in play.. - also why its mindbending for me that Nato-member states (under the table) actually have weaponized Putins war against Ukraine  - and clearly did not care what horrors Putin did with those western weapons, and how Nato western countries couldnt care less about the +2014 weaponembargo that were in play.. - and when Germany dont honor their own EU-weaponembargo, then who will..

Edited by Laniakea, 21 March 2023 - 15:17.

[404KF2]

If you are Canadian, high chance non-institutional ATMs you may use are Russian owned.

I never use those. LOL

[Zmeej]

We = all countries in the world have governments and or companies dealing commercially with Russian companies and or government.

 

False.

[KWSN - DSM]

False.

 

Fine, lets disagree on facts.

[ANF]

https://www.aa.com.t...-report/2539421
https://www.dailymai...les-Moscow.html

Here's a link to the original report: https://www.investig...pons-to-russia/

[Zmeej]

Fine, lets disagree on facts.

 

We disagree on the use of the pronoun. 

 

We also disagree on the facts.

Edited by Zmeej, 21 March 2023 - 12:46.

[KWSN - DSM]

We disagree on the use of the pronoun. 

 

We also disagree on the facts.

 

You are much smarter than you pretend to be in this thread.

[Zmeej]

Interesting pretzel of a sentence.