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[Risil]

Simple one: today's backmarker Esteban Ocon was due to make a pitstop at the beginning of his last lap but encountered all the FIA's post-race hoopla already laid out. All the signage and railings were laid out correctly but the photographers were standing pretty much wherever. Everyone scrambled out the way and no one was hurt and no cardboard signs were damaged.
 

 
However, wtf. Didn't help that it took place on the broadcast feed either:
 
https://twitter.com/...653955627855874

[Massa]

Unbelievable.

[Disgrace]

This one looks to be on F1 themselves than the circuit.

[TennisUK]

Is there an onboard from Ocon? Might not be in Liberty’s interest to release jt I guess..

[Clatter]

Is there an onboard from Ocon? Might not be in Liberty’s interest to release jt I guess..

 

Why? What could anyone do to Liberty if they do release it?

[SophieB]

It’s especially concerning as something very similar happened just a few weeks ago in Melbourne when Albon pitted on the last lap.

[LolaB0860]

Somehow I have a feeling that this embarrassing and dangerous mess won't get clickbait video on F1's Youtube page, as did the 'heated debacle' between whoever last night

[kumo7]

Do photographer gets earlier allowance to stroll around the race track from the ew owner? Look like it.

[NickeyF1]

This should never happened. No excuses.

[LolaB0860]

Since the twitter vid seems geoblocked for non-UK:

 

 

The last person in that crowd seems to be caught most unaware and makes the quickest jump

Edited by LolaB0860, 30 April 2023 - 12:59.

[PayasYouRace]

Simple one: today's backmarker Esteban Ocon was due to make a pitstop at the beginning of his last lap but encountered all the FIA's post-race hoopla already laid out. All the signage and railings were laid out correctly but the photographers were standing pretty much wherever. Everyone scrambled out the way and no one was hurt and no cardboard signs were damaged.
 

 
However, wtf. Didn't help that it took place on the broadcast feed either:
 
https://twitter.com/...653955627855874

 

Worth pointing out that Ted Kravitz was going ballistic on SSF1 comms before the world feed cut to the scene. 

[BleuMurmure]

This should never happened. No excuses.

Yeah. Those people on the pit lane should be banned. And whoever allows all of these people there during the race should be fired.

 

Ultimately the responsibility for this lies with the race director.

[NickeyF1]

Is there an onboard from Ocon? Might not be in Liberty’s interest to release jt I guess..

 

Onboard is here:

https://twitter.com/...659010338803714

 

Now imagine this at a different pit lane entry, where they brake harder than here.

Edited by NickeyF1, 30 April 2023 - 13:03.

[FLB]

FIA. Podium ceremonies are the Race Director's responsabilities:

 

 

APPENDIX 5

PODIUM CEREMONY

At each Closed Event as defined in Article 21.6 of the Sporting Regulations, the procedure for the Podium Ceremony will be detailed in Competition Notes issued by the Race Director

 

 

Source: https://www.fia.com/...023-04-25_0.pdf

[SilverArrow31]

Worth pointing out that Ted Kravitz was going ballistic on SSF1 comms before the world feed cut to the scene.

Yeah I thought it was a replay on the world feed?

[Coral]

That was really scary! Ted Kravitz shouted that there were people in the pitlane then Ocon came into the pits...wow. Totally unacceptable. F1 is lucky that it did not end in a tragedy.

[kumo7]

That was really scary! Ted Kravitz shouted that there were people in the pitlane then Ocon came into the pits...wow. Totally unacceptable. F1 is lucky that it did not end in a tragedy.

But they are still on there, massive amount, even with no idea on how dangerous and terrible that is. 

Who is giving the permission! if it is FOM, then they earned the yellow cards!

[B Squared]

With no pit lane speed limits in 1974 at the British Grand Prix, Niki Lauda was blocked from exiting the pits in a late race situation, nobody was hurt then either, but one would think that they could learn from the past.

Edited by B Squared, 30 April 2023 - 13:12.

[AncientLurker]

My recap from the race thread;
- How much did the RB team going to the wall, which is banned, trigger/influence this ’pit lane invasion’?
- Why is parc ferme being setup before the chequered flag?
- lucky that blind chicane opens up a bit before the pit entry line where the people were. Ocon was expecting to slow to 100, not brake and avoid people.
- The last unaware person got lucky. Had they gone the other way they would have broken ankles at the least from the front wing.
- it will be interesting to see the FIA’s response. They were harsh recently on organizers about an early track invasion elsewhere, will they own up here or pass it to someone else?

[KWSN - DSM]

With no pit lane speed limits in 1974 at the British Grand Prix, Niki Lauda was blocked from exiting the pits in a late race situation, nobody was hurt then either, but one would think that they could learn from the past.

 

They did not remember porpoising, what would make them remember something 15 years before that?

[KWSN - DSM]

What is the penalty they decided on for crawling the wall? For the record I find the ban dumb, but as it being the rule, there should be a fiscal penalty against the budget.

[kumo7]

FIA. Podium ceremonies are the Race Director's responsabilities:

 

 

 

Source: https://www.fia.com/...023-04-25_0.pdf

 

But they are still on there, massive amount, even with no idea on how dangerous and terrible that is. 

Who is giving the permission! if it is FOM, then they earned the yellow cards!

 

（I quoted incorrectly with my previous post, sorry guys)

[SilverArrow31]

With no pit lane speed limits in 1974 at the British Grand Prix, Niki Lauda was blocked from exiting the pits in a late race situation, nobody was hurt then either, but one would think that they could learn from the past.

I was watching some old Le Mans footage the other day when there was no pit speed limit... it was crazy!

[kumo7]

What is the penalty they decided on for crawling the wall? For the record I find the ban dumb, but as it being the rule, there should be a fiscal penalty against the budget.

 

I have not checked the rul ebook that FLB has posted. I hope there is a good punishments written. 

It must be controlled before someone dies.

[Ruusperi]

FIA. Podium ceremonies are the Race Director's responsabilities:

 

 

 

Source: https://www.fia.com/...023-04-25_0.pdf

So another nice mess by Wittich. And he was chosen over Freitas?   

[P123]

Kravitz was incredulous about it.  I'm surprised none of the other bib-wearers who were welcomed into the pitlane ever thought to query it.  Unforgivable from whoever gave the go ahead for that.  Teams can't climb the fences anymore.... and yet their organisation is that unsafe. 

[PayasYouRace]

A paragraph from a book written in 1987 that is etched in my mind, and I think everyone who works in motor racing should know.

 

[ensign14]

With no pit lane speed limits in 1974 at the British Grand Prix, Niki Lauda was blocked from exiting the pits in a late race situation, nobody was hurt then either, but one would think that they could learn from the past.

Well of course they did.  It seems that the latest iteration of the FIA though is channelling the spirit of Barry Chuckle.

[Ruusperi]

Reminiscence of last year's Australian GP (yes, they again) incident, when there were some VIP guests on the pitlane during Albon's pit stop. At least there the people were kept at the side of the road.

[kumo7]

Reminiscence of last year's Australian GP (yes, they again) incident, when there were some VIP guests on the pitlane during Albon's pit stop. At least there the people were kept at the side of the road.

 

Why there are these two road going cars on the track, yes this green and that red?

[KWSN - DSM]

Why there are these two road going cars on the track, yes this green and that red?

 

Medical and safety car?

[Clatter]

With no pit lane speed limits in 1974 at the British Grand Prix, Niki Lauda was blocked from exiting the pits in a late race situation, nobody was hurt then either, but one would think that they could learn from the past.

 

There's the problem, no one was hurt. It always seems that F1 only reacts when someone gets badly injured or killed.

[kumo7]

Medical and safety car?

 

The green may be, that could be the medical car, but is this the right position. How about the red? Aston gives green SUV I thought, but the red is lower and saloon...

Edited by kumo7, 30 April 2023 - 13:26.

[KWSN - DSM]

The green may be, that could be the medical car, but is this the right position. How about the red? Aston gives green SUV I thought, but the red is lower and saloon...

 

I may be wrong, and memory not what it used to be - Is the medical car not always red?

[kumo7]

I may be wrong, and memory not what it used to be - Is the medical car not always red?

My memory is not too sharp neither! I was looking it up ,... Safety car is Red and it was Merc Coupe. so it is not a saloon four door.

 

Medical car is Aston SUV, Green, as according to this article on AutoSport. It is about 2023 medical car.

 

https://www.autospor...l-car/10438087/

 

So the Red Saloon is no use at al on the track if I am correct... 

 

 

Whoops sorry, I must be incorrectly sighting the info.

I found this... Red Mercury four door saloon...

 

https://www.imago-im...e/sp/1026770963

 

It says 2023 medical car in AUS GP... So both of them are Medical car,... shame.. 

Edited by kumo7, 30 April 2023 - 13:41.

[sportyskells]

So what f1 could do here to prevent a repeat? By the way the naughty people have just been called to the fia

Edited by sportyskells, 30 April 2023 - 13:39.

[ANF]

There's the problem, no one was hurt. It always seems that F1 only reacts when someone gets badly injured or killed.

Yeah, that's why several pit lane rules were tightened after Imola 1994 when Alboreto lost a wheel and injured a bunch of mechanics.

[ANF]

So what f1 could do here to prevent a repeat? By the way the naughty people have just been called to the fia

Make sure that every car is on the final lap before they do whatever they were doing. This is a bit like waving the chequered flag one lap too early.

[Clatter]

Make sure that every car is on the final lap before they do whatever they were doing. This is a bit like waving the chequered flag one lap too early.

 

Cars will still be returning to the pits after the chequered flag. Pitlane should be kept clear until they are all back.

[ANF]

Cars will still be returning to the pits after the chequered flag. Pitlane should be kept clear until they are all back.

True. And on second thought, cars may actually pit on their final lap too if they have a terminal problem.

[ANF]

Representatives of the FIA responsible for the Parc Fermé area at pit entry are required to report to the Stewards at 17:30, in relation to the incident below:

Personnel blocking the fast lane in the pit lane on the final lap of the 2023 Azerbaijan Grand Prix while the pit lane remained open

[cbo]

FIA will initiate the development of an aerodynamic claxhorn for F1.......

[kumo7]

It appears to me that FOM is over ruling the FIA reg for the sake of exceptional promotion activities.

 

And even if it were the case, the pit lane walk before the end of the race should be prevented to save lives from possible accidents... 

Edited by kumo7, 30 April 2023 - 13:52.

[Spillage]

Pretty poor to be honest. He's well within his rights to pit on the final lap if he wants to. F1 needs to stop the Portland flooding with hangers-on until after the flag falls. You'd think that would have been obvious ever since Niki Lauda couldn't leave the pits at Brands Hatch in 1974.

Edited by Spillage, 30 April 2023 - 13:57.

[jradicals]

Given the FIA staff at the front there in white shirts putting pylons out and most of the photographers would be regulars at most/all of the grands prix, they all seemed very comfortable there setting up...which makes it look like it was 'business as usual' getting ready that early and it is just not caught out by someone pitting so close to the leader taking the chequered flag. 

Albon's situation last year would have been more easily avoided because the podium set up is at the end of the pitlane in Melbourne. The marshal whistles/alert sounds for a car in the pitlane would have been going the whole time for Albon from the moment he entered the lane, made a stop and continued to the end. If more people were around they would have plenty of time to react. Ocon came across everyone immediately in Baku.

[Ruusperi]

True. And on second thought, cars may actually pit on their final lap too if they have a terminal problem.

Or if they do a Schumi á la Silverstone '98 to serve a penalty on their final lap. (Ok, wouldn't happen today).

 

I sometimes wonder how long it would have taken pitlane speed limit to arrive if Imola 1994 hadn't happened. Maybe it would have eventually been implemented by 1995 or 1996.

[kumo7]

Or if they do a Schumi á la Silverstone '98 to serve a penalty on their final lap. (Ok, wouldn't happen today).

 

I sometimes wonder how long it would have taken pitlane speed limit to arrive if Imola 1994 hadn't happened. Maybe it would have eventually been implemented by 1995 or 1996.

 

Since there are only twenty of them taking pictures every other weeks, These twenty would want to shoot pictures and earn money than to be restricted due "minor" accidents. I can see the point.

Group-B was like that and many others, indeed until something happens. 

[SophieB]

[Risil]

Enrique Bernoldi is thinking "I raced for Arrows! I don't need this ****"

[Mosrite]

like someone already posted, since it didn't end in tragedy, it's just a discussion topic and the FIA have reacted with a summons for the stewards - all good, and done & dusted.
It certainly can happen again, and I wonder what is the ettiquete? Let's say they didn't move out of the way, will Ocon be blamed for running one of them over and breaking their legs? Is it their own fault for being where they are not suppposed to be? And if Ocon does have to slow down so not to hurt anyone, do they get that time back? Or maybe Ocon could have stopped completely before hurting anyone. Sometimes those cars can't just stop in the space of a couple of meters so it really is a dangerous game to be playing without setting some rules, as lives could be changed by such incidents, and then the lawsuits will come....

Absolute shambles, what they did to this sport, I have never been as confused as this weekend as to the starting grid for the race, and I had friends watching F1 on saturday calling me to explain the format as it wasn't qualifying, and they kept on asking what is the point of the Saturday sprint, i told them 'money' It's still racing but not having just a single race for the weekend makes it seem less like a sport and more like a mario kart tournament, getting points for various events. They could even spice up Monaco GP with a pool jumping competition for some extra points and give the media something to talk about.