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[PlatenGlass]

But Newey has not had success in one team but several teams. I find it weird that you say that he was not a dominant factor in the noughties.

 

Does anyone know why he was not winning in the first decade of the 21 century?

 

The noughties is the first decade of the 21st century btw. So you acknowledge that he wasn't dominant then?

[Bliman]

The noughties is the first decade of the 21st century btw. So you acknowledge that he wasn't dominant then?

 

Oh that is funny. I thought that meant the nineties . Learned something today. I don't know if he wasn't dominant then. Maybe something was preventing him to shine. Like when Mercedes was dominant Newey couldn't shine because the engine dominance was too much. Sometimes other factors are to great to fight against.

[flyboym3]

Ive lost the track of time which weekend it was but in one of the sky UK shows a commentator had said when he was speaking to Horner he suggested that Newey should be paid more than the drivers in Neweys contract renewal and that Horner told him to stay quiet.

I think he can only be beaten by brute force and that isn't happening in a budget cap environment.

[PayasYouRace]

I am not surprised that he is still at the top. I am surprised that after all this time there isn't someone that has come along that can challenge him or is on his level or even above him. You would think that in this ultra-competitive world and where everybody is trying to improve that there would be viable challengers in this field.

It is this competive nature of the competiton that I find it weird that none can challenge him or there isn't new blood that can compete with him. After all he has been the top after all these decades in an ultra-competitive world.

Is he such a genius that after all this time there hasn't risen one somebody that can challenge him?

 

This is because it's not about skills. It's about knowledge and experience, and you can guarantee that Adrian stays fully up to date with all the latest developments.

[kumo7]

Those Mercedes had a huge engine advantage.

As for Ross and Rory.... Michael Schumacher was the x Factor. Adrian often made a better chassis but the drivers were not at Michael's level.

Ross and Mattia both made own ICU, Newey not, so far.

[MasterOfCoin]

It's not just Newey it's the whole team engine and all.....Put Newey on Ferrari or Mercedes, they still will not win races straight away if ever.....

[Bliman]

It's not just Newey it's the whole team engine and all.....Put Newey on Ferrari or Mercedes, they still will not win races straight away if ever.....

 

That to me would be nice to see actually. Let's say if he got 5 years or so , where would Mercedes stand with Newey? Sadly he will not switch to another team but I am curious how he would do in a top team that has enough money.

[kumo7]

That to me would be nice to see actually. Let's say if he got 5 years or so , where would Mercedes stand with Newey? Sadly he will not switch to another team but I am curious how he would do in a top team that has enough money.

 

Well, Marc has Allison+Wolf. Why do Mercedes needs Newey? Newey needs his competitor beating him to prove his worth.

I say the next year Marc will beat Red Bull fair and Square. It is Newey to prove his worth.

[Bloggsworth]

Genius rarely arrives in pairs - Newton and Leibniz; Einstein and Planck; Shakespeare and Ben Johnson maybe...

Edited by Bloggsworth, 10 June 2023 - 12:30.

[Rumblestrip]

That to me would be nice to see actually. Let's say if he got 5 years or so , where would Mercedes stand with Newey? Sadly he will not switch to another team but I am curious how he would do in a top team that has enough money.

 

I find it interesting how happy he's been at RB, compared to his times at Williams and McLaren. Clearly they've given him an environment he can be comfortable in and flourish. I don't think it's a certainty that if he switched to another team he'd be as prolific.

[Reinmuster]

'Adrian has a unique gift for understanding drivers and racing cars. He is ultra competitive but never forgets to have fun. An immensely likeable man.'

 

- Damon Hill

[PayasYouRace]

That Adrian races himself no doubt gives him a very holistic view of car design. Not that he’s the only one to do it, but he races quite high level history machinery. He’s no clubby in a Clio.

Willem Toet does hill climbs. He’s a pretty highly regarded aero man too. Not sure what he’s up to at the moment.

[Spillage]

The whole team is scarily well-drilled at the moment. Not only is the car dominant but Verstappen is at the top of his game and they rarely make a strategy mistake. In Barcelona last week they had a huge lead and still banged in a 2.2 second pitstop for Verstappen - some eight tenths quicker than Mercedes could manage. Everything about Red Bull is drilled down to a fine art.

[Hank]

Yep. Even when Merc had an engine advantage or the faster car, RB was right there to challenge them cause they were better in many other areas. Better pit stops, better strategies, better car set up (in 2021 it felt like Merc had to figure out their car every weekend, whereas RB looked on rails from Friday itself). 

[Hati]

You could say that the two geniuses, Newey and Brawn have ruined the F1, It's a stretch to say that every championship apart from three years since -92 has gone to cars made by them but until 2013 or -14 it was more or less a fact. I don't know what's behind Brawns geniusness, skill to find loopholes in rule book and ability to find right people?, but it's not a conincidence that teams where he went started to win.

[George Costanza]

You could say that the two geniuses, Newey and Brawn have ruined the F1, It's a stretch to say that every championship apart from three years since -92 has gone to cars made by them but until 2013 or -14 it was more or less a fact. I don't know what's behind Brawns geniusness, skill to find loopholes in rule book and ability to find right people?, but it's not a conincidence that teams where he went started to win.

Ross's genius is in management. And yes, from 1992-2014, Ross and Adrian have been the best at what they do.

Edited by George Costanza, 14 June 2023 - 01:51.

[kumo7]

Ross's genius is in management. And yes, from 1992-2014, Ross and Adrian have been the best at what they do.

 

Ross Brawn had his issues when his partners, such as Michael Schumacher have not performed well, on the contrary, Newey continues to find his partner, which is remarkable.

[George Costanza]

Ross Brawn had his issues when his partners, such as Michael Schumacher have not performed well, on the contrary, Newey continues to find his partner, which is remarkable.

Michael always got along great with Ross. Always.

[kumo7]

Michael always got along great with Ross. Always.

 

Totally agreed. Ross was always royal to him, also. 

 

Like I said before, Ross Brawn found his new passion after he won titles with Michael, whereas Newey continue to pursue his trade in making the championship-winning car, which is the greatest difference.

Ross not finding two or more champions with his cars, are not because he is a weak engineer, but because he decided to go for the bigger picture.

[George Costanza]

Totally agreed. Ross was always royal to him, also.

Like I said before, Ross Brawn found his new passion after he won titles with Michael, whereas Newey continue to pursue his trade in making the championship-winning car, which is the greatest difference.
Ross not finding two or more champions with his cars, are not because he is a weak engineer, but because he decided to go for the bigger picture.

That's correct. Ross won as team owner too so that's quite awesome too.

[kumo7]

Ross bought one entire F1 team rebadged it, found new motor, raced and won the title with that secret innovation . It was awesome.

Edited by kumo7, 14 June 2023 - 18:21.