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2024 Pecking order prediction (Way too early version!)


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Poll: The fastest team in 2024 season? (53 member(s) have cast votes)

The fastest team in 2024 season?

  1. RedBull (46 votes [86.79%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 86.79%

  2. Mercedes (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Ferrari (1 votes [1.89%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.89%

  4. McLaren (2 votes [3.77%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.77%

  5. AstonMartin (2 votes [3.77%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.77%

  6. Alpine (1 votes [1.89%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.89%

  7. Williams (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. AlphaTauri (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. Sauber (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  10. HAAS (1 votes [1.89%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.89%

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#1 RainyAfterlifeDaylight

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Posted 29 November 2023 - 13:20

I really think we could have a competitive and closer racing in 2024 . . .

 

RedBull and Ferrari

AstonMartin and Mercedes

McLaren

Alpine and Sauber

AlphaTauri

Williams

HAAS

 

I really Think Ferrari might surprise us by taking the fight to RedBull and AstonMartin together with Mercedes could be closer to the front.


Edited by RainyAfterlifeDaylight, 29 November 2023 - 13:25.


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#2 DW46

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Posted 29 November 2023 - 13:23

Largely unchanged;

Red Bull

Ferrari

McLaren
Mercedes
Aston Martin

Alpine
Williams

Red Bull part deaux






















Sauber
Haas

#3 sladealonso

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Posted 29 November 2023 - 13:28

Red Bull

 

Ferrari/McLaren

Mercedes

Aston

 

Racing Bulls

Alpine

 

Williams/Sauber

Haas


Edited by sladealonso, 29 November 2023 - 13:29.


#4 Jops14

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Posted 29 November 2023 - 13:31

Largely unchanged;

Red Bull

Ferrari

McLaren
Mercedes
Aston Martin

Alpine
Williams

Red Bull part deaux






















Sauber
Haas


Yup, cant see anything different either

#5 1player

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Posted 29 November 2023 - 13:46

Daring predictions I see :p

#6 cbo

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Posted 29 November 2023 - 13:50

One can dream...

McLaren, Red Bull, Ferrari
Mercedes, Aston Martin

Alpine, Williams, Alpha RB2 Tauri

Sauber, Haas

#7 Timothy

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Posted 29 November 2023 - 13:53

Ferrari/Red Bull

 

Mercedes

Racing Bulls/Mclaren

Aston Martin/Alpine

Williams

Sauber/Hass



#8 Acathla

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Posted 29 November 2023 - 14:00

Am afraid that Red Bull isn't stoppable, and would love to see a lot of teams in the mix. Except Mercedes. 



#9 BertoC

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Posted 29 November 2023 - 14:21

RBR
Still dominant.

Ferrari
Mclaren
Both these teams improved a lot during season and seem to understand these rules. By contrast the following two teams dont really inspire me much confidence.

Meecedes
Aston Martin

Alpine
RBR 2
Alpine will remain in a no mans land but will be joined by RBR 2 with their RBR1 parts.

The rest is a bit tricky.

Edited by BertoC, 29 November 2023 - 14:21.


#10 messy

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Posted 29 November 2023 - 14:21

I mean the fact that Ferrari and Mercedes are debuting supposedly all new cars with no carry over and a different underlying concept gives me a glimmer of hope that by thr time pre season testing comes around there might be a surprise and one or both of them are right back in the game. They just have to get it right. Red Bull will be basically into the third year of perfecting the same underlying concept, if one of the others comes up with something that is just right from the moment of conception then it's not impossible that 2024 might look very different. If that happens, I will be doing backflips 24 hours straight, fantastic.

Then there's the more likely scenario that we get to pre season testing and nothing has significantly changed in the pecking order. At that realisation I think I'll probably just go and join a commune or something where I never have to hear about F1 ever again. With things potentially static and no driver changes or anything to drum up intrigue the potential for '24 to just be a straight up continuation of this year is unfortunately quite high.

Red Bull

Ferrari
Mercedes
McLaren

Alpine
Aston Martin
Red Bull Jr

Sauber
Williams
Haas

Edited by messy, 29 November 2023 - 14:52.


#11 Alfisti

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Posted 29 November 2023 - 14:36

It is VERY early but let's play the game......

 

Red Bull

Ferrari

McLaren/Mercedes

Red Bull 2/Alpine

Aston

Williams

Sauber

Haas

 

I do think the second Red Bull team will make the biggest gains. 



#12 ANF

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Posted 29 November 2023 - 14:46

McLaren
Red Bull
Williams
[Faenza]
Ferrari
Alpine
[Hinwil]
Mercedes
Haas
Aston Martin



#13 Garagista

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Posted 29 November 2023 - 16:39

My fear with Mclaren is that they could hit that plateau that Ferrari and Aston Martin in way hit previously. Having a fast car but really difficult to burst the bubble to reach Red Bull, without unexpected consequences.

 

With this in Mind:

 

Red Bull

 

Ferrari winning some races on merit (no more than 2 or 3)

 

Mclaren/Mercedes/Aston Martin

 

Alpine/Williams/Racing Bulls

 

Sauber

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Haas looks completely lost, and Guenther is funny bloke but seems to have the easiest job in the world, without any pressure. Hulk was faster in the old spec than Magnussen in the new in this last race, so we have to assume they are completely lost and from a really low baseline.



#14 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 29 November 2023 - 16:48

I always get this hopelessly wrong but hope to learn from past mistakes !

1) RB (by miles)
2) Ferrari
3) McLaren
4) Mercedes
5) Aston
6) Alpine
7) RacingBull or whatever the hell they’re gonna be called
8) Williams
9) Haas
10) Sauber

#15 ForzaFormula

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Posted 29 November 2023 - 17:35

I really think we could have a competitive and closer racing in 2024 . . .

 

RedBull and Ferrari

AstonMartin and Mercedes

McLaren

Alpine and Sauber

AlphaTauri

Williams

HAAS

 

I really Think Ferrari might surprise us by taking the fight to RedBull and AstonMartin together with Mercedes could be closer to the front.

No Chance.

 

RedBull are light years ahead having already focused on 2024 a long while ago and already have a rocket ship, it will be total domination maybe even more so if Perez decides to start to perform.

 

The Rest is a lottery but we could potentially see a big fight between Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes for best of the rest.
 



#16 LolaB0860

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Posted 29 November 2023 - 19:30

Red Bull

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mercedes / Ferrari

 

 

McLaren

 

 

 

Renault

Force Martin / Red Bull Satellite / Williams

Sauber / Haas


Edited by LolaB0860, 29 November 2023 - 19:31.


#17 Spillage

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Posted 29 November 2023 - 19:40

At this tage it seems churlish to assume it won't be Red Bull. I'm hopimg its a bit closer though.

 

At a guess:
Red Bull

Mclaren

Ferrari

Mercedes

Alpine

Aston Martin

Racing Bull

Sauber

Williams

Haas



#18 Dan333SP

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Posted 29 November 2023 - 21:15

Mostly static rules, the best driver is in by far the best car... I'd put most of my retirement on RBR easily winning both titles again. Barring a major rule change, have we ever seen a dominant team lose the WCC title the following year in recent memory? I ask about WCC only because WDC opens the Abu Dhabi 2021 can of worms.

 

I don't think we have, only examples I'm coming up with were big rule changes like 2004-2005 or 1997-1998. Obviously there are examples of where a previously dominant team is heavily challenged like 2002-2003 and still holds on, and I hope that happens next year, but no chance RBR lets the title slip away. 



#19 DS27

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Posted 29 November 2023 - 22:08

One can dream...

McLaren, Red Bull, Ferrari
Mercedes, Aston Martin

Alpine, Williams, Alpha RB2 Tauri

Sauber, Haas

 

 

Oh, if we're allowed to dream...

 

Ferrari, Aston, McLaren, Alpine, Williams, Sauber, Haas, AT

 

Red Bull  (because Max will still make the difference and compete)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mercedes  


Edited by DS27, 29 November 2023 - 22:10.


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#20 IrvTheSwerve

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Posted 30 November 2023 - 09:13

Can’t see anything other than a RedBull WCC and Max WDC again.

 

My hopes are pinned on the memories of 2003 following that 2002 season and 2005 following that 2004 season…different rules, cost caps, etc., etc…but one can hope. At the very least it would be nice to see 5+ non-RedBull wins…



#21 PayasYouRace

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Posted 30 November 2023 - 09:22

Mostly static rules, the best driver is in by far the best car... I'd put most of my retirement on RBR easily winning both titles again. Barring a major rule change, have we ever seen a dominant team lose the WCC title the following year in recent memory? I ask about WCC only because WDC opens the Abu Dhabi 2021 can of worms.

I don't think we have, only examples I'm coming up with were big rule changes like 2004-2005 or 1997-1998. Obviously there are examples of where a previously dominant team is heavily challenged like 2002-2003 and still holds on, and I hope that happens next year, but no chance RBR lets the title slip away.

Aren’t static rules what helps the field close up? Looking at how everyone closed up this year, I expect a slightly broader spread in Bahrain than now, as the trams figure out their new cars, but then even closer than now by Abu Dhabi.

I’d expect Max and RBR to win each title, but many more winners through the season. Going by recent form, I’m going to stick my neck out and say McLaren will be fastest be season’s end.

#22 LolaB0860

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Posted 30 November 2023 - 10:54

https://www.motorspo...-year/10553605/

When asked why he thinks anyone can catch Red Bull next year, Horner replied: "We saw that in 2020 with Mercedes. If you remember, that was their most dominant year ever and yet, we were able to beat them in '21.

By also breaching the cost cap

#23 DW46

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Posted 30 November 2023 - 13:41

https://www.motorspo...-year/10553605/

When asked why he thinks anyone can catch Red Bull next year, Horner replied: "We saw that in 2020 with Mercedes. If you remember, that was their most dominant year ever and yet, we were able to beat them in '21.

By also breaching the cost cap


Horner missing a few *’s there. Massive wind up merchant 😂

#24 eibyyz

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Posted 30 November 2023 - 17:07

RB stopped working on their 23 car in August, and their penalty restricting wind tunnel time is no longer.  Render unto Caesar.


Edited by eibyyz, 30 November 2023 - 17:08.


#25 Anderis

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Posted 30 November 2023 - 17:37

2023 is one of the few seasons I've seen when you can't just point out any obvious underperformers among teams, so it's difficult to make any sensible predictions for 2024 other than stating that not much will change. It doesn't mean that not much will change, but if it does, most likely it will be a thing you wouldn't be able to predict anyway.

 

My best guess would be:
Red Bull

Ferrari/Mercedes

McLaren

Aston Martin/Alpine/Alpha Tauri

Williams/Sauber

Haas

 

So basically I just expect Alpha Tauri to be a little bit more competitive and perhaps I expect Red Bull to be a little bit less dominant, but other than that I'm unable to foresee any major changes compared to late 2023.


Edited by Anderis, 30 November 2023 - 17:53.


#26 lukestanton91

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Posted 30 November 2023 - 18:16

Red Bull

 

Ferrari

McLaren 

 

Mercedes/Aston Martin

 

Minardi 

Alpine 

 

 

Williams

Sauber 

 

 

Haas 



#27 dia6olo

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Posted 30 November 2023 - 19:01

Red Bull

Ferrari

 

McLaren/Mercedes

 

Austin Martin

 

The rest...

 

I think over the season no one is going to trouble Red Bull and Max but I do think Ferrari will be a lot closer.

I think Mercedes could struggle, I feel that while both Ferrari and Mercedes have underperformed, Ferrari seem to have a much better grasp of their issues and Mercedes not so much, that and when things have worked on the Ferrari it's proved to be a much quicker car than the Mercedes.

I think McLaren will not make the jump and remain fourth best, possibly third best if Mercedes fail to show up.


Edited by dia6olo, 30 November 2023 - 23:58.


#28 RedRabbit

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Posted 30 November 2023 - 19:38

One can dream...

McLaren, Red Bull, Ferrari
Mercedes, Aston Martin

Alpine, Williams, Alpha RB2 Tauri

Sauber, Haas


This isn't entirely unrealistic, as far as teams go.

#29 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 30 November 2023 - 19:47

Mostly based on the momentum of the end of 2023 carrying to 2024 and stable regulations:

 

1. Red Bull - Hard to look past them. Their race pace is so strong, I don’t think any team will catch up that much to beat them on a regular basis.

2. Ferrari - One lap pace is closest to Red Bull (sometimes faster). If they get the race pace sorted, P2 is theirs.

3. McLaren - Let’s hope they don’t botch up their car again at the start and carry the momentum of 2023 into 2024.

4. Mercedes - I just don’t see any signs they’ll gain so much that they become championship contenders next season.

5. Aston Martin - 2023 was so good because they switch focus early in 2022. I don’t believe that’s the case right now, so 5th is the max.

6. Alpine - Should basically stay where they are. Best of the midfield, sometimes challenging Aston Martin.

7. Alpha Tauri/Racing Bulls - Pretty much the same story as McLaren. They have the momentum going into 2024 by their strong end to the season.

8. Williams - Will pretty much stay where they are. On low downforce tracks Albon will do nice things again.

9. Sauber - Really want it to be 2026. I think next season and 2025 will just be about finishing those seasons.

10. Haas - Will pretty much stay as they are. Strong one lap pace, going backwards again on Sunday because they still can’t fix their tyre issues.

 



#30 cbo

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Posted 01 December 2023 - 09:05

This isn't entirely unrealistic, as far as teams go.

🙂

Red Bull is so good, that you would expect them to have to spend a lot for limited gains.
Ferrari have issues, but it is a fast car and they seem to be on the ball.
McLaren is on an upward trajectory and will be using their new wind tunnel.
Aston Martin have shown some capabilities in 2023 and may be able to move forward again.
Hopefully, Mercedes will get it right this time and bring a new front-running car.


The dream would be a season-long 5-team race for WCC and podiums, including the top step. Alonso, Hamilton, Verstappen, Leclerc and Norris fighting for WDC...

Could be best season ever...

..and then I fell out of my bed and woke up 😄

Edited by cbo, 01 December 2023 - 14:13.


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Posted 01 December 2023 - 09:43


Red Bull is so god, that you would expect them to have to spend a lot for limited gains.
Ferrari have issues, but it is a fast car and they seem to be on the ball.
McLaren is on an upward trajectory and will be using their new wind tunnel.
Aston Martin have shown some capabilities in 2023 and may be able to move forward again.
Hopefully, Mercedes will get it right this time and bring a new front-running car.


The dream would be a season-long 5-team race for WCC and podiums, including the top step. Alonso, Hamilton, Verstappen, Leclerc and Norris fighting for WDC...

Could be best season ever...

..and then I fell out of my bed and woke up

 

pun intended?



#32 Benchulo

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Posted 01 December 2023 - 10:29

Aston Martin

Ferrari/McLaren/Mercedes

Red Bull

Williams/Alpine/Alpha Tauri

Sauber/Haas

#33 cbo

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Posted 01 December 2023 - 14:13

pun intended?


Nah, my keypad set to Danish and my brain befuddled language-wise 😄

#34 aportinga

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Posted 01 December 2023 - 17:03

RedBull

Ferrari

McLaren

Alpine

Aston

Mercedes

Williams

HAAS

AT

Sauber



#35 Brian60

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Posted 01 December 2023 - 17:38

I'd dearly love to see Merc turn out another rocketship to beat the RB, give Ham his 8th title and then watch him retire gracefully.

 

 

 

But as we all know, pipe dreams never happen do they.



#36 Rediscoveryx

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Posted 01 December 2023 - 18:11

I predict small changes from the current pecking order.

So essentially:

1) Red Bull
2-4) Ferrari, Merc, McLaren
5-6) Alpine, Aston Martin
7-8) Williams, Alpha Tauri
9) Haas
10) Sauber Romeo

#37 RainyAfterlifeDaylight

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Posted 01 December 2023 - 18:55

When we are in Bahrain and RedBull struggles to enter Q3 . . .

 

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