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[SenorSjon]

Other sports have training. F1 doesn't even have proper testing if you want to keep comparing. They are going full nascar on F1 (too many races, events and other stuff) which devalues the Grand of Grand Prix. 1/30 events is more missable than 1/16.

[IrvTheSwerve]

Quantity not quality.

[KWSN - DSM]

A top of the line Football player participate in +50 games over a season, with their leagues (Grand Prix) being 36 - 38 of them - Stefano has a point.

[Ali623]

A top of the line Football player participate in +50 games over a season, with their leagues (Grand Prix) being 36 - 38 of them - Stefano has a point.

 

Not really, for a start league games are all played in the same country, with half of them being home games that require no travelling etc.

 

The logistics/travel for a single GP is probably the equivalent to 10 football matches, there's no comparison. Engineers/mechanics have to spend the best part of a week away (several weeks if it's a double/triple header).

[Stephane]

Stefano still thinks there's no racing on nonf1 weekends...

[Stoffel]

Stefano is opening his mouth again... he wants more Sprint races.. he is comparing F1 with football and Basketball 

When he is getting asked about the numbers and their source, no comment. 

 

 

 

 

Source: https://formu1a.uno/...e-sprint-races/

 

Why did they ever put this man in charge...

[LolaB0860]

Stefano still thinks there's no racing on nonf1 weekends...

Well, those weekends ain't making cash for Liberty executives

[TauriJ]

Reverse grids are awful but why not a mixed one?

 

I cant really remember who, but one user mentioned it here. Run sprint qualifying with one lap shootout like in 2003-05. 

[SenorSjon]

Because what we learned of the past, those 03-05 qualy sessions are usually not worth the watch. 

Edited by SenorSjon, 21 June 2024 - 11:30.

[JimmyClark]

Reverse grids are awful but why not a mixed one?

I cant really remember who, but one user mentioned it here. Run sprint qualifying with one lap shootout like in 2003-05.

Might have been me, as I'm a proponent of doing qualifying completely differently for the sprint, as right now it's just too similar. One lap qualifying seems a perfect solution for a bit of variety for fans.

[LolaB0860]

Friday qualifying session was not worth the watch (just as Sprint Qualifying currently isn't) but the Saturday one-shot definitely was. But I know I'm in a minority of preferring that format over the current one

[Grippy]

I'd like to see sprint grid line up in WDC order, that way the generally faster drivers are still at the front, but not necessarily fastest on that circuit under those conditions. I feel that is "purer" than gimmicky reverse or lottery grids. Normal qually for the main race.

 

We are retired so can spend weekends watching F1, but I wonder how many younger new viewers will invest so many weekends on F1.

[Clatter]

Friday qualifying session was not worth the watch (just as Sprint Qualifying currently isn't) but the Saturday one-shot definitely was. But I know I'm in a minority of preferring that format over the current one

 

For me it was a totally boring format, and especially so when trackside. I suspect that the majority who say they liked it, have only ever watched it on TV.

[Grippy]

I liked one-shot for the opportunity to see each driver and their driving style (my main memory is Ralph Firman driving his Jordan like a go-kart).

I disliked it for changing conditions making it unfair if your driving slot didn't coincide with best conditions.

[Collombin]

As an observation, nobody ever complains about the one at a time format in relation to Indy.

[Stephane]

Oval, draft, ....

[Tiakumosan]

Soon he’ll get his eyes to baseball …

[SenorSjon]

As an observation, nobody ever complains about the one at a time format in relation to Indy.

 

You've got 8 hours to set a time vs single lap in F1. And Indycar also has segmented Q's for Road and Street courses.

Edited by SenorSjon, 21 June 2024 - 13:54.

[Collombin]

Oval, draft, ....

Not in the loop any more, but is drafting not an issue with any current F1 tracks? Pity. One of my favourite stories is of the Ferrari drivers being ordered into the pits at Reims any time a British car appeared behind them during practice.

[LolaB0860]

I suggested this couple of years ago

https://forums.autos...rged/?p=9903623

 

Interesting solution might be to have one run for each car, and then after that there could be optional "fast lane" (to borrow Indycar term) opportunity for the 10 fastest cars in the last 30 minutes where you could re-attempt to qualify. But if you do so, you withdraw your earlier time. There would also be non-priority "slow lane" for all 20 cars where you can also try to better your time but don't have to withdraw your earlier grid slot, just to make sure there is at least some track action until the end of the said 30 minutes

[F1Frog]

Not in the loop any more, but is drafting not an issue with any current F1 tracks? Pity. One of my favourite stories is of the Ferrari drivers being ordered into the pits at Reims any time a British car appeared behind them during practice.

Yes it is still used often. In Monza 2019 they all drove so slowly to not be at the front of the queue that everyone missed the line for their final laps.

What year was the Reims example? I recall reading something in 1961 about Moss following von Trips for several laps in the draft and getting a good grid position as a result.

[Collombin]

What year was the Reims example? I recall reading something in 1961 about Moss following von Trips for several laps in the draft and getting a good grid position as a result.

Yes, they cottoned on in the end!

[ANF]

Stefano is opening his mouth again... he wants more Sprint races.. he is comparing F1 with football and Basketball 
When he is getting asked about the numbers and their source, no comment. 

“That is the goal[to have more Sprints. The numbers show us there is interest in this.

“Look at other sports. Football and basketball are played every other day. They entertain much more intensely.

“In terms of quantity, we have much less to offer. Yet, compared to other sports, we are doing very well and continue to grow.

“Every involved in our sport, in any way, should be happy with the situation.”

Source: https://formu1a.uno/...e-sprint-races/

 

If F1 is doing well compared to other sports and everyone should be happy with the situation, then there really shouldn't be any need for more sprints?

(By the way, the Premier League has 38 rounds a year with a total of 380 matches; the NBA has more than twice as many rounds, 82, in the regular season, with a total of 1230 matches – and the playoffs can have another 111 matches. I don't know which number Stefano and Liberty want us to look at: 38 or 1341?)

[Brawn BGP 001]

This was rather interesting, the Canadian GP promoter actually saying that the traditional format means more on track action so he's against them also FOM charge promoters $4 million to have a sprint round 

 

RaceFans Round-up: Canadian GP promoter doesn't want sprint race

Edited by Brawn BGP 001, 21 June 2024 - 17:07.

[SenorSjon]

Belgium, China, Miami, Austin, Brazil and Qatar will host sprints next year.

 

Spa as sprint? That is only 15 laps or so.

[Stephane]

It's already been done, yes.

 

 

11 laps it wa

Edited by Stephane, 11 July 2024 - 12:42.

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