OK, this can become a heated debate.
edit: in bold italics edits made in reaction on valid comment in post 3
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All year long we have read comments about the RedBull RB19 being the most dominant F1 car in recent F1 history, either to praise RedBull for a good job or to downplay the driving of Verstappen, or to praise another car over the RB19.
I kinda like make such comparisons and provide statistical or factual ammunition to see such debates going on. So, using previous experiences I looked into a decent comparison of the RB19 against the acknowledged ultimate dominators. But I soon realized that there were a few candidates I did not have data of and probably would not match those of the cars if which I do have data:
The one stat that had most people talking was if the RedBull would do the unthinkable: the clean sweep of a season. Till date only one car ever achieved that: the McLaren-Honda mP4/4 with 15 out of 16. It can be argued that the Ferrari F2002 did the same in the time period within 2002 that the car was used. But the complication is that in 2002 the F2002 wasn’t used in the first two races of the season and its debut race was with only a single car. Nevertheless, at least on F2002 was represented in 15 races and 14 of these races were won by the lone or one of the two F2002’s.
But let’s not make it more complicated than it can be, the most comparisons were made between the MP4/4 and the RB19 because of their achievement of doing a full season and being beaten only once. But which of the two was the more dominant and/or did even better than the other car had done already and why? Can they be compared to begin with?
Biggest difference is that the MP4/4 had `only` 16 races to contest, the RB19 eventually 22 from a planned 23 (Imola was cancelled remember?)
When we look to point scores, the MP4/4 raced in a season with the 9-6-4-3-2-1 points for the first 6 cars, the RB19 raced in a season with points for the first 10 cars, but also with points for fastest lap as long as the driver with fastest lap scored a top 10. And we had the Sprint races…..
To make a comparison between MP4/4 and RB19 as objective and equal as possible, let’s exclude the sprint races and fastest lap points. And to start very equal to begin with, let’s first look into the RB19’s first 16 races of the season, equaling the full season for the MP4/4. And let’s use the point score system for both seasons for the results. How does that look?
Looking at the finish results we see that the MP4/4 scored 10 2nd placed against only 6 for the RB19. Even more painful: 4 of those 6 2nd places were won in the first 5 races of the season)
On the other hand, the MP4/4 has 5 DNF’s and/or DQ’s but every other of the 27 finish results were in the point scoring top 6. The RB19 had only one retirements in its first 16 races and two more results outside the top 6. And all of this leads to a surprising results when we use the two point scoring results methods.
Finish MP4/4 RB19
1 15 15
2 10 6
3 2
4 1 3
5 1
6 1 2
7 0
8 1
9 0
10 0
11&up 1
Retired 5 1
Total results 32 32
Points first6 199 190 (using 9-6-4-3-2-1 points for first 6)
% max (=240) 82.9% 79.2%
Points first10 576 581 (using 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1 for first 10)
% max (=688) 83.7% 84.4%
Using the 1988 point scores, the MP4/4 outscores the RB19 with what is still a respectable margin. However, when using the 2023 points for the finishing results then the RB19 narrowly beats the MP4/4!
Then: how do things look over a full season for the RB19?
The RB19 did less good in its last 6 races compared with the first 16. Not a single 2nd place and primarily 3rd or 4th places, reducing the averages.
For both cars their full season results look like this.
Finish MP4/4 RB19
1 15 21
2 10 6
3 3
4 1 6
5 1
6 1 2
7 0
8 1
9 0
10 1
11&up 1
Retired 5 2
Total results 32 44
Points first6 199 256 (using 9-6-4-3-2-1 points for first 6)
% max (=240) 82.9%
% max (=330) 77.6%
Points first10 576 581 (using 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1 for first 10)
% max (=688) 83.7%
% max (=946) 82.8%
As can be seen, no matter the used point score system, the MP4/4 outscores the RB19 by now.
So, did I provide the evidence that the MP4/4 is a more dominating car in its season than the RB19 was in its season?
Well, here is a list of arguments I can think of to discuss.
- Given the fact that something beyond your control may affect the race results enhances the more races you race, it is easier to win 15/16 than 21/22. (Pro RB19)
- The MP4/4 was in its season the only dedicated, bespoke, non-compromise designed according 1988 rules in a field that consisted of primarily sot gaps cars used to `bridge` the last season before entirely new cars and engines were mandatory. The RB19 faced opposition that was designed according the very same rules and specs as the RB19 was, thus in theory, faced more equal opponents (Pro RB19)
- Given the limits on allowable number of parts like engines etc, reliability had to be much more a part of the RB19 then in 1988 for the MP4/4 and thus that suffered potentially from less reliability (Pro MP4/4)
- When excluding the highest finishing car, the second MP4/4 scored way better results than the second RB19. Suggesting that the MP4/4 had a larger performance advantage over its opponents tan the RB19 that enabled both MP4/4 drivers to extract much better results from their cars as combined team effort than the two RB19 drivers could. (Pro MP4/4)
- The lone defeat for the MP4/4 was due to a mechanical failure and a driver error in the very same race in which the MP4/4 still had remained competitive as long as it was represented and it had been in a position to win that race after all. The lone defeat for the RB19 was in a race in which it rarely made the impression that it could have won the race on its own capabilities after all. (Pro MP4/4)
Everyone has his own opinions, everyone may have his own reasons to rate one of the cars over the other, be it to promote one of them for whatever reasons or to downrate it for whatever reasons, including the love or dislike for the drivers of a particular car.
Anyway, here is some ammo. Any other argument or stat to put up in the discussion about which was the most dominant F1 car ever in recent F1 history ?
For me it is a close call but most of all because of the considerable larger number of races the RB19 had to contest all season long, that makes up for the arguably lesser results for the team in those 22 events versus the team results of the MP4/4 drivers in `only` 16 races.
But for me, resultswise, supported by point scores, the MP4/4 still remains the most dominant car in recent F1 history when any challenger is compared with it on equal terms and conditions as valid for the MP4/4.
Edited by Henri Greuter, 08 December 2023 - 13:51.