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[GiuseppeF1]

Anyone know what time the FIA will be publishing the new 2024 F1 Entry List today, along with the new official team names for Sauber and Alpha Tauri?

[FirstnameLastname]

I believe it’s tomorrow, although I could have sworn they originally had today as the date.

Suprised Sauber and RedBu22 haven’t taken the chance to get a days press out of unveiling their new identities rather than waiting for an FIA release.

[onewingedangel]

With McLaren having announced Monster Energy as a sponsor before the start of the new year, part of me wonders if they were announced early as they will show up on the entry list as a title sponsor.

But were that the case surely they would have been announced as title sponsor rather than just a sponsor - unless, following the Aston Martin model you were to have more than one title sponsor - so logic suggests we'll see the 3M Monster Energy McLaren Mercedes team when the entry list is released.

/Joke

[Myrvold]

With McLaren having announced Monster Energy as a sponsor before the start of the new year, part of me wonders if they were announced early as they will show up on the entry list as a title sponsor.

They just replaced Coca Cola. Coca Cola part-owns Monster.

[PayasYouRace]

I believe it’s tomorrow, although I could have sworn they originally had today as the date.

Suprised Sauber and RedBu22 haven’t taken the chance to get a days press out of unveiling their new identities rather than waiting for an FIA release.

Wouldn’t be the first time the entry list is released with TBAs on it.

[loki]

Give them a bit.   They’re still figuring out how to spell Andretti/Cadillac…

[FirstnameLastname]

Did this happen?

[JRodrigues]

Not yet.

[AustinF1]

Give them a bit.   They’re still figuring out how to spell Andretti/Cadillac…

IIRC, it's spelled "$$$$$$$$ / $$$$$$$$".

[JRodrigues]

Late minute issue?

[jensfan09]

Late minute issue?

Looks like it!

[AustinF1]

When was it supposed to be released?

[SparkPlug86]

FiA has other issues right now... 

[loki]

Looks like the issue is..

 

”C’mon Christian, what is your junior team’s name?”…

[jensfan09]

When was it supposed to be released?

Yesterday I thought? The 11th?

[JRodrigues]

Yesterday I thought? The 11th?

 

10th

[Ferrim]

Hinwil-Ferrari
Faenza-Honda RBPT

[FirstnameLastname]

sAUDI F1

[STIGG]

sAUDI F1

 

Couldn't resist 

[kumo7]

Couldn't resist

I could not see this coming before Christmas Boxing day.
I guess FIA is asking Sauber to make the name clear…!

[onewingedangel]

Is someone behind on paying their entry fee? 😁

[Stephane]

Was there really a date promised somewhere ?

[JRodrigues]

Was there really a date promised somewhere ?

 

https://www.reuters....oss-2023-12-04/

 

 

 

"On the 10th of December, as soon as the FIA will publish the entry list we will of course announce a new team name. I think it will be a surprise."

[jonpollak]

……the entry list is released with TBAs on it.

WHAT?… Coyne is entering F1??

Jp

[Anja]

Apparently it should happen no later than December 15th as per the regulations: https://twitter.com/...007530349551784

Edited by Anja, 13 December 2023 - 11:04.

[pdac]

Apparently it should happen no later than December 15th as per the regulations: https://twitter.com/...007530349551784

 

So I expect a revision to the regulations to be published in the next couple of days.

[Stephane]

We've seen tba's on this list every year

[Beri]

Yet both Sauber and Alpha Tauri have stated the name of the team first will be announced on this list. So hence the anticipation.

[GlenWatkins]

Yet both Sauber and Alpha Tauri have stated the name of the team first will be announced on this list. So hence the anticipation.

And to see if Andretti is on FIA's list.

[Stephane]

Not for 24, that's sure.

[Stephane]

Yet both Sauber and Alpha Tauri have stated the name of the team first will be announced on this list. So hence the anticipation.

I underrated the importance of it apparently.

[kumo7]

Saudi to go racing with Alfa Tauri, me thinks... 

[r4mses]

Yet both Sauber and Alpha Tauri have stated the name of the team first will be announced on this list. So hence the anticipation.

 

AT dude (was it Peter Bayer?) said on ServusTV's Hangar 7 Talk (or whatever the show is called) a few days ago, their new name will be announced in January. ServusTV is Redbull's very own TV station.

Edited by r4mses, 13 December 2023 - 18:15.

[Spillage]

I have always quierlt resented Sauber being called anything other than Sauber. Hopefully they'll just go back to it. If AT can be rebranded 'Mianrdi' then this will ne a Merry Christmas indeed.

Edited by Spillage, 13 December 2023 - 18:32.

[William Hunt]

I always kept calling them Sauber because... they still were Sauber.   Alfa Romeo was just a sponsor and nothing more and they actually paid not much to get the team named after them for a couple of years, it's even baffling they didn't have to pay more for it. But the team always still was Sauber. A sponsor is just a sponsor and not the owner of the team.

[Stephane]

Company is still Sauber but Sauber is not an owner anymore.

[Beri]

I always kept calling them Sauber because... they still were Sauber.   Alfa Romeo was just a sponsor and nothing more and they actually paid not much to get the team named after them for a couple of years, it's even baffling they didn't have to pay more for it. But the team always still was Sauber. A sponsor is just a sponsor and not the owner of the team.

The Alfa Romeo deal was a bit more than just a (title)sponsor deal. But the constructor, indeed, has always remained to be Sauber.

[JRodrigues]

[Beri]

As Anja already posted; I expect the list to be published sometime tomorrow. Simply because the rules state so. It appears DecalSpotters havent got this memo yet.

Apparently it should happen no later than December 15th as per the regulations: https://twitter.com/...007530349551784

[Sterzo]

The Alfa Romeo deal was a bit more than just a (title)sponsor deal. But the constructor, indeed, has always remained to be Sauber.

True, but the deal was also so much less than the once-great Alfa Romeo make deserves. Speaking as one who drives around in an Alfa pretending to be Nuvolari, I found the half-hearted splatting of Alfa red on parts of a Sauber rather embarrassing.

 

Sauber also has some reason to be proud of its history, and it's a shame when the owners of a make abandon its original identity for no good reason. (Come back, Minardi). All credit to Ron Dennis and Zak Brown for perpetuating the real name of their racing team. On the other hand, I understand why Wolff & co don't call theirs Honda or BAR. And obviously Audi are going to use their own name; that would make sense.

[Beri]

True, but the deal was also so much less than the once-great Alfa Romeo make deserves. Speaking as one who drives around in an Alfa pretending to be Nuvolari, I found the half-hearted splatting of Alfa red on parts of a Sauber rather embarrassing.

 

Sauber also has some reason to be proud of its history, and it's a shame when the owners of a make abandon its original identity for no good reason. (Come back, Minardi). All credit to Ron Dennis and Zak Brown for perpetuating the real name of their racing team. On the other hand, I understand why Wolff & co don't call theirs Honda or BAR. And obviously Audi are going to use their own name; that would make sense.

 

I think no one will ever argue with how perfectly you described this.

 

The Alfa of the golden years was really something. The best engineers in the business, who designed a car which was driven by the best drivers in the business, which was propelled by an engine that was the best in the business because it was engineered by the best in the business. The Sauber escapade was a bit more than a simple title sponsorship. But in the end it also was just a naming convention in essence. 

[Stephane]

79 looked more like Alfa Romeo was in it. Not good results, sadly

[Beri]

So Cognizant to be dropped from the team name at Aston Martin.

 

Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant F1 Team op X: 'We're pleased to announce an extended partnership with @aramco, to become the team's title partner. From 1 January 2024, the team will be known as the Aston Martin Aramco Formula One® Team.' / X (twitter.com)

[Francesc]

So Cognizant to be dropped from the team name at Aston Martin.

Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant F1 Team op X: 'We're pleased to announce an extended partnership with @aramco, to become the team's title partner. From 1 January 2024, the team will be known as the Aston Martin Aramco Formula One® Team.' / X (twitter.com)

And probably they don't sponsor the team anymore neither.

[Beri]

Likely they are "just" a partner/sponsor from now on but no title sponsor.

[RedRabbit]

So Cognizant to be dropped from the team name at Aston Martin.

Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant F1 Team op X: 'We're pleased to announce an extended partnership with @aramco, to become the team's title partner. From 1 January 2024, the team will be known as the Aston Martin Aramco Formula One® Team.' / X (twitter.com)

I think it was already announced earlier in the year that Cognizant were not going to be in the title from next year, but they're still involved as a partner.

[lustigson]

Interestingly, the Jordan cars are officially entered as "Aston Martin Aramco – Mercedes", but there was never any fuss about the team adopting that name for 2022, after having entered as "Aston Martin – Mercedes" before. I thought that changes to constructor names were subject to unanimous approval by the other entrants?

[Sterzo]

"From 1 January 2024, the team will be known as the Aston Martin Aramco Formula One® Team."

 

Not by me they won't. "Sterzo-powered-by-Nescafe with Marks and Spencer fashion brands®" is excited to announce going forward he'll be delighted to call Aston Martins "Aston Martins".
 

[loki]

Interestingly, the Jordan cars are officially entered as "Aston Martin Aramco – Mercedes", but there was never any fuss about the team adopting that name for 2022, after having entered as "Aston Martin – Mercedes" before. I thought that changes to constructor names were subject to unanimous approval by the other entrants?

 

AFAIK that’s only mid season.

[Beri]

Interestingly, the Jordan cars are officially entered as "Aston Martin Aramco – Mercedes", but there was never any fuss about the team adopting that name for 2022, after having entered as "Aston Martin – Mercedes" before. I thought that changes to constructor names were subject to unanimous approval by the other entrants?

You are mistaken. The constructor is Midland. Or was it Spyker? Farce India? Racing for Points?

But on a serious note, Aston Martin has always had a sponsor name in its name.