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[jimjimjeroo]

Begins with

Ferrari - February 13th

https://www.motorspo...fstehO1uF7uIdQc

Edited by jimjimjeroo, 17 December 2023 - 09:12.

[Stephane]

So, that will be the week for everyone if we follow the trend of the last few years

[sportyskells]

Thank you for starting this thread as I was just wondering when the teams will say the livery launch dates

[FirstnameLastname]

Livery launches with the actual cars unveiled in the pitlane the week before the first race.

[mclarensmps]

It's crazy that we're less than 2 months away from this!

[ARTGP]

So, that will be the week for everyone if we follow the trend of the last few years

 

Correct. Vasseur claims that there will be multiple launches on the 14th which is why Ferrari selected the 13th instead. 

Edited by ARTGP, 17 December 2023 - 14:55.

[jcbc3]

Red Bull - tbd

Mercedes - tbd

Ferrari - 13th February

McLaren - tbd

Aston Martin - tbd

Alpine - tbd

Williams - 5th February

Alpha Tauri - tbd

Sauber - 5th February

Haas - tbd

[pdac]

Livery launches with the actual cars unveiled in the pitlane the week before the first race.

 

Probably some will change their livery before the first race but, yes, none of next seasons cars will be at these 'launches'.

[FLB]

Probably some will change their livery before the first race but, yes, none of next seasons cars will be at these 'launches'.

Yeah. We're getting close to having special liveries for the livery launch... that end up never being actually raced.

[JimmyClark]

No point getting excited about liveries anymore, given they have so many variations and changes in the season now.

And there's no point getting excited about seeing the launch car, as it's not the model they will start the season with.

And the launches themselves are boring corporate affairs now, without the razzmatzz of the glory days of the 90s, so I can't even get excited about that side of it.

[Stephane]

yep, that's just basically hype for the sake of it.

[ARTGP]

I think that Ferrari's launch car last year was genuinely the car they went and tested with (with only minor differences as they continued to develop). For the rest, it was either show cars or decoy renderings. 

Edited by ARTGP, 22 December 2023 - 21:07.

[Organic]

I think that Ferrari's launch car last year was genuinely the car they went and tested with (with only minor differences as they continued to develop). For the rest, it was either show cars or decoy renderings.

Pretty sure Merc showed their real car and photos were uploaded from their live event as well as Ferrari

But yes I'm expecting a lot of livery launches.

Edited by Organic, 24 December 2023 - 04:02.

[mstar]

I dont know why we bother with Redbull launch they take the piss out of the fans and fans by doing a cheap imitation which is nothing like the car when it goes to testing.  And we hear Horner telling the press how the suspension/aero (pointing at the car) has been redesigned when they really just tweaked parts done in 5 mins for the launch only.  Then we had Newey lying about the car while pointing at the car saying how they did the floor and wings etc.  I will give that launch a miss.  

Edited by mstar, 24 December 2023 - 12:53.

[Beri]

Can we please put a disclaimer to the "Launch Season" part? One that states that there is a high probability that the 2024 cars won't be shown, but rather it being a livery presentation.

This to prevent people asking why the car looks the same.

[southernstars]

I dont know why we bother with Redbull launch they take the piss out of the fans and fans by doing a cheap imitation which is nothing like the car when it goes to testing. And we hear Horner telling the press how the suspension/aero (pointing at the car) has been redesigned when they really just tweaked parts done in 5 mins for the launch only. Then we had Newey lying about the car while pointing at the car saying how they did the floor and wings etc. I will give that launch a miss.

As long as they don't put on a stupid hour-long thing with celebs and all the focus NOT on the F1 team this time. They really had the worst launch.

[Beri]

The launches are not so much about the cars these days as presenting the new team identity of that season and share the teams thoughts and expectations. Oh, and a livery on an older car.

[mstar]

As long as they don't put on a stupid hour-long thing with celebs and all the focus NOT on the F1 team this time. They really had the worst launch.

 

I agree they really had the most ridiculous launch last season and this season going.  Lying to the fans how the (launch) car was a great car of innovation etc etc.  THey tried to cover up a non-launch car having all these celebs and things masking the silly launch of a non-existent new car.  

[Beri]

I agree they really had the most ridiculous launch last season and this season going. Lying to the fans how the (launch) car was a great car of innovation etc etc. THey tried to cover up a non-launch car having all these celebs and things masking the silly launch of a non-existent new car.

It's even more ridiculous that fans actually believe such nonsense and go and watch a launch event thinking they will see the actual new car.

[southernstars]

It's even more ridiculous that fans actually believe such nonsense and go and watch a launch event thinking they will see the actual new car.

 

Usually it's a bit of fun to watch, see the new livery, see the new suits, see what the jokes are and how the drivers look. A few morsels for the fans, to get them through the off-season.

[DogEarred]

I know of one Formula 1 team that are struggling to have their tub ready for the first race, let alone the first first test session in late Feb.

Their car will look silly without a tub, on their early February launch day…

[Organic]

I know of one Formula 1 team that are struggling to have their tub ready for the first race, let alone the first first test session in late Feb.

Their car will look silly without a tub, on their early February launch day…

Let's get our bets in. I'm going with Alpine

[PayasYouRace]

I know of one Formula 1 team that are struggling to have their tub ready for the first race, let alone the first first test session in late Feb.

Their car will look silly without a tub, on their early February launch day…

That’s very surprising to the read. There are no major regulation changes. Something must have really gone wrong for them to have dropped back like that.

[Beri]

Let's get our bets in. I'm going with Alpine

 

Early February means either Williams or Sauber. If we go by the announced launch dates.

[Sterzo]

Let's get our bets in. I'm going with Alpine

Sounds plausible.

"Hang on - who was supposed to design our tub?"

"Dunno. Was it one of the guys we sacked?"

[Viryfan]

That’s very surprising to the read. There are no major regulation changes. Something must have really gone wrong for them to have dropped back like that.

If a team got aware that their aero concept was useless in terms of potential for further developement pretty late into the 2023 season due to the structural nature of the chassis then they would be running late in order to get their tub sorted...

And get more real estate for further aero developement which would translate for both 2024 and 2025.

Edited by Viryfan, 28 December 2023 - 12:43.

[PayasYouRace]

Well it’s definitely Alpine then because ViryFan doesn’t comment on any other teams.

[Viryfan]

Well it’s definitely Alpine then because ViryFan doesn’t comment on any other teams.

Alpine is probably the safest bet on that topic but i've got no nuggets on that matter.

if you were to have one team running dramatically late schedule it would be Alpine because up until july they thought that they had a Ferrari/Mercedes beater aero wise under their hands.

Until they saw that they were getting spanked at Silverstone or Hungaroring aero wise.

https://www.google.c...end,181866.html

https://www.google.c...nstructeur.html


The fact that Gasly asked for a slimmer tub in suzuka for 2024 seems to suggest that things were still quite fluid on the tub topic while they should'nt have been.

Edited by Viryfan, 28 December 2023 - 13:29.

[Beri]

If a team got aware that their aero concept was useless in terms of potential for further developement pretty late into the 2023 season due to the structural nature of the chassis then they would be running late in order to get their tub sorted...

And get more real estate for further aero developement which would translate for both 2024 and 2025.

 

Even if it was a flawed design, and not so much for structural needs that the car or tub needed rework, one can still turn the season around if that happens. Look at McLaren in 2023.

[JL14]

I know of one Formula 1 team that are struggling to have their tub ready for the first race, let alone the first first test session in late Feb.

Their car will look silly without a tub, on their early February launch day…

 

Well. Red Bull failed one of their crash tests (frontal) according to Motorsport.com so will be doing some redesigning/strenghtening which might put them on a tight schedule to get the tub homologated and ready....

[Stephane]

Happens eery year, it's part of the process

[noikeee]

Happens eery year, it's part of the process

Yeah this sounds like the 4th or 5th year I've read about Red Bull failing crash tests before the season

They must going to the absolute limit on all angles

[Organic]

I know of one Formula 1 team that are struggling to have their tub ready for the first race, let alone the first first test session in late Feb.

Their car will look silly without a tub, on their early February launch day…

Info from formu1a.uno that alpine still hasn't passed some chassis crash tests..

https://twitter.com/...hsi08PxXEQ&s=19

Seems like that alpine guess may have been correct

[Viryfan]

Info from formu1a.uno that alpine still hasn't passed some chassis crash tests..

https://twitter.com/...hsi08PxXEQ&s=19

Seems like that alpine guess may have been correct

But it does not say that Alpine is fighting to make the first race.

[JL14]

But it does not say that Alpine is fighting to make the first race.

No, it's actually about the opposite: why it's a good thing to not have passed those tests yet.

[ARTGP]

Amus previously reported that Alpine was designing a near brand new car so I don't think it's strange. The work they needed was comprehensive. 
 
Alpine Selbstkritik: Gründe für das Mittelmaß 2023 | AUTO MOTOR UND SPORT (auto-motor-und-sport.de)
 

There should therefore be a new start in 2024. With a new chassis, new gearbox and modified suspension.

 

I doubt that any team is struggling to make the first race. Everyone is "Struggling" but teams are too well structured to miss the first race. 

Edited by ARTGP, 29 December 2023 - 23:12.

[ConsiderAndGo]

Yeah, this isn’t HRT. Everyone will be at the test on time and ready to go.

[DogEarred]

I know of one Formula 1 team that are struggling to have their tub ready for the first race, let alone the first first test session in late Feb.

Their car will look silly without a tub, on their early February launch day…

 

It seems that recuperative progress has been made recently & there's chance they will have some VTT time, too.

[Beri]

Yeah, this isn’t HRT. Everyone will be at the test on time and ready to go.

 

Well, HRT was already sleeping with the fishes when Williams showed how even they could mess things up in 2019.

[jcbc3]

Red Bull - tbd
Mercedes - tbd
Ferrari - 13th February
McLaren - tbd
Aston Martin - 12th February
Alpine - tbd
Williams - 5th February
Alpha Tauri - tbd
Sauber - 5th February
Haas - tbd

[Beri]

Only a month away and it seems like last week that the season ended.

[Clatter]

I know of one Formula 1 team that are struggling to have their tub ready for the first race, let alone the first first test session in late Feb.

Their car will look silly without a tub, on their early February launch day…

Launch day is normally just a livery reveal using an old car.

[mclarensmps]

Ferrari revealed basically the whole new car at launch last year, so we'll see some new stuff. 

[ConsiderAndGo]

Ferrari revealed basically the whole new car at launch last year, so we'll see some new stuff.

Yeah, Ferrari have never done anything other than full car reveal. Only team to really do so these days.

[JL14]

Yeah, Ferrari have never done anything other than full car reveal. Only team to really do so these days.

 

Aston Martin as well. 

Last year the first one to do so, this year as well so far it seems (to launch the real car).

[ConsiderAndGo]

Aston Martin as well.
Last year the first one to do so, this year as well so far it seems (to launch the real car).

Did they? Thought they did renders. Fair enough.

[Organic]

Did they? Thought they did renders. Fair enough.

Yeah in '22 and '23 AMR launched with the proper car, however for 2023 they were careful to show only specific angles that didn't reveal all immediately

Edited by Organic, 07 January 2024 - 08:28.

[sportyskells]

 Mercedes 14 February (just saw the news on X)

Alpine has a date as well 7 February 

Edited by sportyskells, 15 January 2024 - 09:19.

[jcbc3]

 

Red Bull - tbd

Mercedes - 14th February

Ferrari - 13th February

McLaren - tbd

Aston Martin - 12th February

Alpine - 7th February

Williams - 5th February

Alpha Tauri - tbd

Sauber - 5th February

Haas - tbd

[southernstars]

Haas will probably go early like they did last year. I'm guessing AT will go after RB. And my only hope for the McLaren launch is that this year they remember they have an Australian driver with Australian fans so not god damn 3am please