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#1 Okyo

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Posted 01 January 2024 - 13:51

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The Ferrari team thread for discussing driver and team related topics. 



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#2 Okyo

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Posted 01 January 2024 - 13:52

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#3 Okyo

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Posted 01 January 2024 - 13:54

Seeing that we somehow missed the timing to create a threat last year, starting this one early as some other team threads are doing an early start as well  :stoned:

 

Likely we'll probably start hearing about new driver deals in the upcoming weeks as i doubt either driver will start testing without a contract. 


Edited by Okyo, 01 January 2024 - 13:57.


#4 vlado

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Posted 01 January 2024 - 15:08

“The feedback from the drivers is similar, we have to give it a solid aerodynamic platform and both will be fine” they say in Maranello.

https://x.com/ferrar...zg-bv2n8am2mMAg

#5 Muppetmad

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Posted 01 January 2024 - 15:16

These are good signs; a good, reliable car in which the drivers can have confidence would be a great platform on which to build throughout the year.



#6 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 01 January 2024 - 17:29

These are good signs; a good, reliable car in which the drivers can have confidence would be a great platform on which to build throughout the year.


Same is said year after year. I’ve zoned out from all Ferrari rumours these days.

#7 vlado

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Posted 01 January 2024 - 17:39

Same is said year after year. I’ve zoned out from all Ferrari rumours these days.


That’s the healthy approach…

#8 dia6olo

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Posted 01 January 2024 - 18:09

When it comes down to it the reassuring thing for me is that in 2022 the car was quick even if in the end the goalposts were moved and it had reliability issues, even in 2023 were the car was overall dreadful it still had moments were it displayed genuine pace.

I feel that underneath all the crap there's a quick car in there somewhere and it's that, that gives me hope...



#9 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 01 January 2024 - 18:28

When it comes down to it the reassuring thing for me is that in 2022 the car was quick even if in the end the goalposts were moved and it had reliability issues, even in 2023 were the car was overall dreadful it still had moments were it displayed genuine pace.
I feel that underneath all the crap there's a quick car in there somewhere and it's that, that gives me hope...


It’s the hope that kills…

#10 Okyo

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Posted 01 January 2024 - 18:32

When it comes down to it the reassuring thing for me is that in 2022 the car was quick even if in the end the goalposts were moved and it had reliability issues, even in 2023 were the car was overall dreadful it still had moments were it displayed genuine pace.

I feel that underneath all the crap there's a quick car in there somewhere and it's that, that gives me hope...

Having ventured deep in to an aero concept very different to the one of RedBull, we can only hope that Ferrari is in a unique position to understand more than most of what can be achieved with a different path to a quick car. I do genuinely hope that when we have the new pics of our car launch that the car will have clear differences to the RedBull approach. If we see a copy cat of the RedBull as we did with Aston and McLaren (in the places that matter), it's really hope lost till the next reg reshuffle. 


Edited by Okyo, 01 January 2024 - 18:34.


#11 vlado

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Posted 05 January 2024 - 13:58

Rueda finally gone it seems

#12 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 05 January 2024 - 14:07

I expect Ferrari and Mercedes to be more or less equal over the season with Red Bull in shape of Verstappen still being dominant.



#13 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 05 January 2024 - 14:15

Rueda finally gone it seems


Xavi can’t survive into the new season, surely?!

#14 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 24 January 2024 - 12:13

Like Vasseur more and more.

https://www.funoanal...-futuro-f1.html

Ferrari heading back to a clear number 1 driver, Leclerc, long term.

#15 vlado

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Posted 24 January 2024 - 13:41

Like Vasseur more and more.

https://www.funoanal...-futuro-f1.html

Ferrari heading back to a clear number 1 driver, Leclerc, long term.



3-4 years too late but we all know the saying…

#16 Ijsman

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Posted 24 January 2024 - 15:02

Like Vasseur more and more.

https://www.funoanal...-futuro-f1.html

Ferrari heading back to a clear number 1 driver, Leclerc, long term.

I wonder when Santander will leave.



#17 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 24 January 2024 - 15:38

I wonder when Santander will leave.


Who cares ? They stuck around for 3 years after Alonso left.

Edited by ConsiderAndGo, 24 January 2024 - 15:39.


#18 Ijsman

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Posted 24 January 2024 - 16:41

Who cares ? They stuck around for 3 years after Alonso left.

True, but Sainz is still with the team.



#19 vlado

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Posted 24 January 2024 - 22:05

I wonder when Santander will leave.


Audi would gladly take their money

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#20 1player

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 08:46

Like Vasseur more and more.

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Ferrari heading back to a clear number 1 driver, Leclerc, long term.


It's just one guy's opinion. What is he basing that on? I say it's pure nonsense and speculation, nothing we haven't seen before among fans.

#21 Ferrari2183

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 10:05

It's just one guy's opinion. What is he basing that on? I say it's pure nonsense and speculation, nothing we haven't seen before among fans.

 

I don't think the bit about Ferrari employing Leclerc as a number 1 is speculation at all. This should have happened when selecting his new teammate after he spanked Vettel. Binotto had other ideas though... He was twerking for Sainz. This is well known.


Edited by Ferrari2183, 25 January 2024 - 12:38.


#22 SenorSjon

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 13:44

https://twitter.com/...511749629989349

 

Leclerc re-signed. Further data still unknown



#23 Benchulo

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 13:44

It's just one guy's opinion. What is he basing that on? I say it's pure nonsense and speculation, nothing we haven't seen before among fans.



If Ferrari are offering Leclerc a 5 year deal and only one year for Sainz, seems to me it's obvious that they are going to solely focus on Leclerc like they did with Alonso and Vettel in the past. Unless they want to get a faster driver than Carlos in 26.

#24 brucewayne

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 14:09

If Ferrari are offering Leclerc a 5 year deal and only one year for Sainz, seems to me it's obvious that they are going to solely focus on Leclerc like they did with Alonso and Vettel in the past. Unless they want to get a faster driver than Carlos in 26.


Very good news.

#25 Ferrari2183

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 14:16

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Leclerc re-signed. Further data still unknown

 

Music!



#26 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 14:22

Great news. Hopefully the team completely prioritises him.



#27 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 14:32

Contract till 2029 apparently.

#28 Ferrari2183

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 14:45

Contract till 2029 apparently.


Is it the 3 + 2 option or 5 straight?

#29 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 14:55

Is it the 3 + 2 option or 5 straight?


Didn’t say but I’d imagine the former

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 14:59

https://twitter.com/...511749629989349

 

Leclerc re-signed. Further data still unknown

 

Excellent!  :clap:



#31 Spillage

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 15:25

Sadly I think that's a better deal for Ferrari than it is for Leclerc.

#32 vlado

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 15:36

Sadly I think that's a better deal for Ferrari than it is for Leclerc.


Obviously his choice since he can most likely get a seat in another top team without a problem.

Ferrari a very lucky to have a driver of his caliber be so loyal to the team. I don’t think I’ve seen anything like this before tbh.

#33 vlado

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 15:39

Maybe they will stay no matter what happens with Sainz

https://x.com/santan...zg-bv2n8am2mMAg

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 15:42

Sadly I think that's a better deal for Ferrari than it is for Leclerc.

 

I think the opposite, this is a good strong move for both.



#35 Ijsman

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 15:42

Maybe they will stay no matter what happens with Sainz

https://x.com/santan...zg-bv2n8am2mMAg

Probably until the contract between Ferrari and Santander runs out.



#36 ferrarista

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 16:52

Fantastic news 🔝

#37 George Costanza

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 17:33

Sadly I think that's a better deal for Ferrari than it is for Leclerc.


I agree unfortunately.

Charles is very very quick. But this Ferrari team isn't the same as 2004.

#38 vlado

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 17:43

I agree unfortunately.

Charles is very very quick. But this Ferrari team isn't the same as 2004.

 

But it doesn't need to be in order for them to win a title.. I think they can do it  :up:



#39 Okyo

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 17:45

Sadly I think that's a better deal for Ferrari than it is for Leclerc.

Depends if it seals the deal on having him the one the team clearly focuses on. If so, it's good for both. 



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#40 Hellenic tifosi

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 18:02

very good news!

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 18:22

I agree unfortunately.

Charles is very very quick. But this Ferrari team isn't the same as 2004.

Having a top driver in the long term is better also to attract the best engineers, so the team of 2025 will be better than now as that of 2026 will be than the 25 one and so on.

Then, around 2026-27 Charles will look for better alternatives if Ferrari still hasn’t delivered a winning car, certainly there are car performance clauses to leave in case of perpetual failures.

Based on now, Charles doesn’t have better choices, so for now it’s a win-win situation for both.

Edited by ferrarista, 25 January 2024 - 18:23.


#42 George Costanza

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 18:31

Having a top driver in the long term is better also to attract the best engineers, so the team of 2025 will be better than now as that of 2026 will be than the 25 one and so on.

Then, around 2026-27 Charles will look for better alternatives if Ferrari still hasn’t delivered a winning car, certainly there are car performance clauses to leave in case of perpetual failures.

Based on now, Charles doesn’t have better choices, so for now it’s a win-win situation for both.

Let's be honest the current Ferrari team is stuck like in 1990s, and we need a technical restructure like Schumacher and Co did. Now granted Michael was an extremely special driver, perhaps the best of all time, and he showed that by nearly winning the championship in 1997 under John Barnard car. I think Charles is very, very quick and has tremendous potential but the team just isn't producing. Max and Red Bull are similar to Williams and McLarens of the 90s, the craziest thing? Only Michael Schumacher beat them on a driving standpoint in 1990's. Max is definitely the same as Schumacher, and he is the opposition, so it makes Charles job even harder.

Ferrari truly should have gotten Adrian Newey when they had the chance to give him whatever he wanted but Aston Martin and Red Bull beat them to the punch. Until Adrian retires, they will IMHO be behind.

Edited by George Costanza, 25 January 2024 - 18:35.


#43 JeanAlesi27

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 18:34

I feel sorry for Charles - Ferrari is a clown show. Maybe there's hope that 2024 will be better....  I'm not holding my breath.



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Posted 25 January 2024 - 18:36

I feel sorry for Charles - Ferrari is a clown show. Maybe there's hope that 2024 will be better.... I'm not holding my breath.


Based upon what seen, I agree. If Max was at Ferrari would he be winning? Probably not.

Edited by George Costanza, 25 January 2024 - 18:37.


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Posted 25 January 2024 - 18:55

Good news, but Ferrari will need to sign a number 2 for 2025 onwards.

Sainz won't accept the one-year renewal offer. He has other options (and a big one in the making).



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Posted 25 January 2024 - 18:55

Let's be honest the current Ferrari team is stuck like in 1990s, and we need a technical restructure like Schumacher and Co did. Now granted Michael was an extremely special driver, perhaps the best of all time, and he showed that by nearly winning the championship in 1997 under John Barnard car. I think Charles is very, very quick and has tremendous potential but the team just isn't producing. Max and Red Bull are similar to Williams and McLarens of the 90s, the craziest thing? Only Michael Schumacher beat them on a driving standpoint in 1990's. Max is definitely the same as Schumacher, and he is the opposition, so it makes Charles job even harder.

Ferrari truly should have gotten Adrian Newey when they had the chance to give him whatever he wanted but Aston Martin and Red Bull beat them to the punch. Until Adrian retires, they will IMHO be behind.

I don’t know, it’s easy to win without pressure; if anything, the first races of 2022 were very interesting in this regard.

Fred is very clear that this team needs recruits in very limited areas, so no need to rebuild it.

I also think that this team, with clear and correct performance targets in mind, can deliver very good cars (see the first half of 2022) and Charles with just a better front end in the last races of 2023 was another driver; we know how limited the front end of the SF-23 was, allegedly, they are going to implement that for the new car.

Max in the SF-23 would have been no better.
I say, let’s watch Charles in a car truly designed for his needs and then we speak.

Edited by ferrarista, 25 January 2024 - 19:00.


#47 Ferrari2183

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 19:01

This upcoming season needs to be a foundation season for the team. They’ve now confirmed the extension of Leclerc and all that’s left is to deliver a car with a solid foundation while more recruitment takes place.

All this talk of 7 tenths and 5 race wins etc is just jibber jabber and a distraction.

Edited by Ferrari2183, 25 January 2024 - 19:37.


#48 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 20:11

Good news, but Ferrari will need to sign a number 2 for 2025 onwards.

Sainz won't accept the one-year renewal offer. He has other options (and a big one in the making).

 

Albon enters the chat.



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Posted 25 January 2024 - 20:20

Albon enters the chat.


I don’t think Albon would settle for a number 2. If I am Ferrari I’m signing Bottas as a stop gap.

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Posted 25 January 2024 - 20:27

Sainz must be first choice though the one year is obvs a play for a change in 26. One of the Mercedes duo? Lando maybe.