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[ferrarista]

https://formulapassi...&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Lets see if next year is THE year.
Lewis’ record in his career decisions would suggest so.

[vlado]

All they need is for the car to NOT be slower and just be on par with whoever is at the front.. LEC and HAM will take care of the point collection.

[ferrarista]

“… while the Maranello team itself has a road ahead of it with potentially more possibilities to make a significant leap in performance during the winter. Yes, because, as far as we know and according to what was observed on the track, the red engineers had to give up, at a certain point in the season, a significant part of the performance because it was incompatible with some structural limits of the SF24, born under a concept that was soon considered obsolete but could not be updated during the year due to the limitations of the budget cap. Which means that at this moment the Maranello technical department has, theoretically, two fundamental aspects in hand: on the one hand it has understood how to express a high level of the car, on the other it knows how to implement everything. It is clear that translating all this into reality will not be at all simple, nor can it guarantee success, but the many arrivals will certainly be able to provide fundamental contributions, including obviously Lewis Hamilton. In short, for many years there have been many promises for Ferrari but few premises, this time the situation seems different”.

https://www.formulap...dati-telemetria

And this (Albano here + Vasseur a couple of posts above) brings me back to Leclerc on 1st Oct:

"We are seeing quite a lot of gains," he says. "We just need time to bring those upgrades on the car."

Asked if that means the title is realistic next year, he replies flatly: "Yes. It is." Then he laughs: "That will be the headline!".

https://www.the-race...lerc-interview/

Fingers crossed.

Edited by ferrarista, 14 December 2024 - 13:22.

[vlado]

I don't see how Lewis Hamilton can help with fixing "structural limits" with the chassis but okay. 

 

The new technical director might, but with the timing of all of this I'd say the team which took care of the car in 24 is largely responsible for the 25 project as well. 

 

Also, as Mercedes have proven over the past 3 season, big gains "on paper" mean absolutely nothing. 

Edited by vlado, 14 December 2024 - 15:37.

[sourav1480]

LH in past several years has only experienced "how not to make cars in this new formula". He has not yet driven a car which is fast on all weekends unlike Verstappen and Norris. So I don't see how his experience is going to make us faster immediately.

Anyhow the fundamentals of the 2025 car design must be already frozen. So it's already fixed with few last minute changes which probably the team can do after the winter testing. Just hoping we have gone with the right compromise in car performance this time around.

[mstar]

sourav1480, on 15 Dec 2024 - 04:03, said:

LH in past several years has only experienced "how not to make cars in this new formula". He has not yet driven a car which is fast on all weekends unlike Verstappen and Norris. So I don't see how his experience is going to make us faster immediately.

Anyhow the fundamentals of the 2025 car design must be already frozen. So it's already fixed with few last minute changes which probably the team can do after the winter testing. Just hoping we have gone with the right compromise in car performance this time around.

 

Yes i agree.

 

I think what Mercedes couldn't do is make a car with consistent balance throughout the weekend.  Due to lewis's unique driving style of attacking the corners dynamically through late braking -just do not suit the mercedes car philosophy (or they can't set the car up to his liking to allow him to drive naturally).  When there was a consistent balance -with rear end consistent stability he was magical and fast i.e mid season.  

 

  I do think there is some truth he wants to maintain some familiarity as his key strengths is his "braking feel" he is always the latest braker into corners compared to the top drivers and commits to the corner early.  With brembo brakes i am not sure lewis used them at mercedes as i am sure they use C.I

[Stoffel]

mstar, on 15 Dec 2024 - 12:02, said:

Yes i agree.

 

I think what Mercedes couldn't do is make a car with consistent balance throughout the weekend.  Due to lewis's unique driving style of attacking the corners dynamically through late braking -just do not suit the mercedes car philosophy (or they can't set the car up to his liking to allow him to drive naturally).  When there was a consistent balance -with rear end consistent stability he was magical and fast i.e mid season.  

 

  I do think there is some truth he wants to maintain some familiarity as his key strengths is his "braking feel" he is always the latest braker into corners compared to the top drivers and commits to the corner early.  With brembo brakes i am not sure lewis used them at mercedes as i am sure they use C.I

 

I know he was struggling with braking when he came over from McLaren as he was used to the Akebono brakes they used at McLaren. I believe at Mercedes they were using both CI and Brembo at the time because Rosberg was using CI and Lewis was switching to CI somewhere during the season, so he must have been using something else before that.

[Grippy]

A bit about brakes, with Brembo saying they remain Ferrari suppliers amidst HAM wanting a CI switch;

 

https://f1chronicle....-split-rumours/

[mstar]

Grippy, on 15 Dec 2024 - 13:15, said:

A bit about brakes, with Brembo saying they remain Ferrari suppliers amidst HAM wanting a CI switch;

 

https://f1chronicle....-split-rumours/

 

That doesn't mean anything.  brembo do not have a exclusive contract with any of the teams.  If 1 driver has preference for C.I then they will use it.  It will just be covered up in the garage/unbranded.  

It makes sense if your going to another team and the last thing you want is to learn a new braking aspect of a car.  From what i understand Brembo will still supply Ferrari (charles using them) and for lewis i am not sure if he will try both Brembo and C.I

Edited by mstar, 15 December 2024 - 14:24.

[vlado]

mstar, on 15 Dec 2024 - 12:02, said:

Yes i agree.

I think what Mercedes couldn't do is make a car with consistent balance throughout the weekend.

I like this take here:

https://x.com/roland...zg-bv2n8am2mMAg

I think some teams are finding a lot of DF but can’t really use it properly because the suspension systems can’t handle it which is probably what has been happening to both Mercedes and Ferrari.

[Massa]

sourav1480, on 15 Dec 2024 - 04:03, said:

LH in past several years has only experienced "how not to make cars in this new formula". He has not yet driven a car which is fast on all weekends unlike Verstappen and Norris. So I don't see how his experience is going to make us faster immediately.

.

It make zero sense.
Experience is not time limited.

[santori]

Carlos Sainz Jnr and Snr getting a double goodbye run:

 

https://dubz.link/c/e7ee21

 

Vasseur really is a top class person.

Edited by santori, 17 December 2024 - 11:57.

[mstar]

Yer he didnt have to spend money and resources to set that up.  Top man is Fred!1 

Edited by mstar, 17 December 2024 - 15:38.

[vlado]

Impressive! I don’t remember Alonso or Vettel getting this kind of tribute

[baddog]

Senior would have been a nice F1 driver back in the day!

[rodlamas]

vlado, on 17 Dec 2024 - 19:09, said:

Impressive! I don’t remember Alonso or Vettel getting this kind of tribute

Fred is not Binotto or Arrivabene.

[Chick0]

vlado, on 17 Dec 2024 - 19:09, said:

Impressive! I don’t remember Alonso or Vettel getting this kind of tribute

 

 

Ferrari know they might need Carlos back in the team in 2026/27. 

[ferrarista]

santori, on 17 Dec 2024 - 11:56, said:

Carlos Sainz Jnr and Snr getting a double goodbye run:

https://dubz.link/c/e7ee21

Vasseur really is a top class person.

Very nice from Ferrari and Fred, for a driver who has done a lot for Ferrari, especially from a technical point of view.

[FerrariAce]

https://autoracer.it...nti-della-sf-24

[KPower]

FerrariAce, on 19 Dec 2024 - 00:12, said:

https://autoracer.it...nti-della-sf-24

 

Will be interesting to see who out of Ferrari/McLaren/Red Bull gets the 2025 car right. Looks like all of them are going all in for the last year of this rule set.

[vlado]

KPower, on 19 Dec 2024 - 01:44, said:

Will be interesting to see who out of Ferrari/McLaren/Red Bull gets the 2025 car right. Looks like all of them are going all in for the last year of this rule set.

 

Mercedes has the most room for improvement "on paper" 

[lewislorenzo]

vlado, on 19 Dec 2024 - 04:08, said:

Mercedes has the most room for improvement "on paper"

Same for 23 and 24…

[KPower]

vlado, on 19 Dec 2024 - 04:08, said:

Mercedes has the most room for improvement "on paper" 

 

Very possible, they've been very quiet on their 2025 car though, outside of redesigning their rear suspension. 

 

Maybe James Allison and Co. still have some tricks up their sleeves.

Edited by KPower, 19 December 2024 - 13:28.

[ferrarista]

Just went through some Max-Charles battles, their self-awareness on track and ability to position the car in the absolutely best piece of tarmac is mental.

https://youtu.be/Rmv...RzhvG9kaW_lfHrh

I still can’t believe how he could defend from Max so many laps in that dog of SF-90 around Silverstone.

[ferrarista]

https://formulapassi...&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Shovlin said that Hamilton, before those four decisive races, created a WhatsApp group called 'We will do this' in which he had added some key figures from the team, including the English engineer himself. This, he said, had a galvanising effect on the team: “ In view of the last four races of 2021, I was invited to join a WhatsApp group that was simply called 'We will do this' – Shovlin said – Lewis had involved some people and we had to win the next four races” .
“ When I saw that he was the one who created the group, I had this feeling that we could really do it. Because if he believes we can do it, we are there to support him. He has this sense of belief that is so strong that it almost seems like he can make things happen . The turnaround that he had in that moment, the dedication, the commitment, the level of detail that he put into making sure we could win four races in a row, it was incredible .”
Bitter ending
Unfortunately for #44, however, that memorable final rush was not enough: “We all know what happened in the closing laps of Abu Dhabi and it’s difficult to take satisfaction in the way that year ended, other than the fact that we did what we needed to do, we achieved the goals we needed to achieve ,” concluded Shovlin. “ We put the car where we needed it to be. It was as fast as it needed to be. Events outside of our control meant that it didn’t happen, but that’s the kind of thing [Hamilton] is unique in . That’s why he’s the best of the lot .”

When I read this and what Fred repetedly says about Lewis, yeah, he brings nothing to Ferrari.

[vlado]

ferrarista, on 22 Dec 2024 - 14:53, said:

Just went through some Max-Charles battles, their self-awareness on track and ability to position the car in the absolutely best piece of tarmac is mental.

https://youtu.be/Rmv...RzhvG9kaW_lfHrh

I still can’t believe how he could defend from Max so many laps in that dog of SF-90 around Silverstone.

 

LEC comes on top over a season in equal machinery 

[vlado]

ferrarista, on 25 Dec 2024 - 15:14, said:

https://formulapassi...&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Shovlin said that Hamilton, before those four decisive races, created a WhatsApp group called 'We will do this' in which he had added some key figures from the team, including the English engineer himself. This, he said, had a galvanising effect on the team: “ In view of the last four races of 2021, I was invited to join a WhatsApp group that was simply called 'We will do this' – Shovlin said – Lewis had involved some people and we had to win the next four races” .
“ When I saw that he was the one who created the group, I had this feeling that we could really do it. Because if he believes we can do it, we are there to support him. He has this sense of belief that is so strong that it almost seems like he can make things happen . The turnaround that he had in that moment, the dedication, the commitment, the level of detail that he put into making sure we could win four races in a row, it was incredible .”
Bitter ending
Unfortunately for #44, however, that memorable final rush was not enough: “We all know what happened in the closing laps of Abu Dhabi and it’s difficult to take satisfaction in the way that year ended, other than the fact that we did what we needed to do, we achieved the goals we needed to achieve ,” concluded Shovlin. “ We put the car where we needed it to be. It was as fast as it needed to be. Events outside of our control meant that it didn’t happen, but that’s the kind of thing [Hamilton] is unique in . That’s why he’s the best of the lot .”

When I read this and what Fred repetedly says about Lewis, yeah, he brings nothing to Ferrari.

 

They should've won that title way before the last race anyway.. he was driving the faster car for the majority of the season and didn't "put it away" 

[PitViperRacing]

ferrarista, on 25 Dec 2024 - 15:14, said:

https://formulapassi...&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Shovlin said that Hamilton, before those four decisive races, created a WhatsApp group called 'We will do this' in which he had added some key figures from the team, including the English engineer himself. This, he said, had a galvanising effect on the team: “ In view of the last four races of 2021, I was invited to join a WhatsApp group that was simply called 'We will do this' – Shovlin said – Lewis had involved some people and we had to win the next four races” .
“ When I saw that he was the one who created the group, I had this feeling that we could really do it. Because if he believes we can do it, we are there to support him. He has this sense of belief that is so strong that it almost seems like he can make things happen . The turnaround that he had in that moment, the dedication, the commitment, the level of detail that he put into making sure we could win four races in a row, it was incredible .”
Bitter ending
Unfortunately for #44, however, that memorable final rush was not enough: “We all know what happened in the closing laps of Abu Dhabi and it’s difficult to take satisfaction in the way that year ended, other than the fact that we did what we needed to do, we achieved the goals we needed to achieve ,” concluded Shovlin. “ We put the car where we needed it to be. It was as fast as it needed to be. Events outside of our control meant that it didn’t happen, but that’s the kind of thing [Hamilton] is unique in . That’s why he’s the best of the lot .”

When I read this and what Fred repetedly says about Lewis, yeah, he brings nothing to Ferrari.

Not to be rude mate but he made a WhatsApp group. I wouldn't call that the pinnacle of leadership.

[ferrarista]

PitViperRacing, on 25 Dec 2024 - 18:52, said:

Not to be rude mate but he made a WhatsApp group. I wouldn't call that the pinnacle of leadership.

Ok, that is the headline, but go beyond the headline.

[MikeTekRacing]

vlado, on 25 Dec 2024 - 16:57, said:

LEC comes on top over a season in equal machinery

No, not even close

[vlado]

MikeTekRacing, on 25 Dec 2024 - 20:10, said:

No, not even close

Let’s hope we see it one day

[PrinceBira]

vlado, on 25 Dec 2024 - 16:57, said:

LEC comes on top over a season in equal machinery

Then he first should get on top in half the season in equal machinery they had in 2022.

[lewislorenzo]

vlado, on 25 Dec 2024 - 16:59, said:

They should've won that title way before the last race anyway.. he was driving the faster car for the majority of the season and didn't "put it away"

Newey disagrees…

[vlado]

PrinceBira, on 25 Dec 2024 - 20:59, said:

Then he first should get on top in half the season in equal machinery they had in 2022.

 

I meant as team mates but sure 2022 is the closest we got so far but don't you think those mechanical failures and strategic blunders played a part in the first half of the season? 

 

Hopefully we get something similar next year.. it will be fun 

[catent]

PrinceBira, on 25 Dec 2024 - 20:59, said:

Then he first should get on top in half the season in equal machinery they had in 2022.

Ignoring/failing to account for multiple engine failures (beyond the driver’s control) seems to be leaving out some very critical information.

[PrinceBira]

catent, on 26 Dec 2024 - 16:54, said:

Ignoring/failing to account for multiple engine failures (beyond the driver’s control) seems to be leaving out some very critical information.

Crashing out is a big no/no in a title fight.

[vlado]

When 2025 car thread?

I have no idea where they got this:

“On the 2025 car, there will be many innovations such as the braking system, which will use the hot air generated during braking to activate the tires. An advantage that would be very useful on circuits where the asphalt temperature is low!”


But let’s assume this is true, it will be very nice if they can adjust the effectiveness depending on track conditions, etc.

All sounds a bit far fetched tho.

https://x.com/cl16__...zg-bv2n8am2mMAg

[Muppetmad]

They'd have to be able to adjust it, surely? Or else you'd simply cook the tyres during the race?

[ferrarista]

vlado, on 29 Dec 2024 - 11:58, said:

When 2025 car thread?

I have no idea where they got this:

“On the 2025 car, there will be many innovations such as the braking system, which will use the hot air generated during braking to activate the tires. An advantage that would be very useful on circuits where the asphalt temperature is low!”


But let’s assume this is true, it will be very nice if they can adjust the effectiveness depending on track conditions, etc.

All sounds a bit far fetched tho.

https://x.com/cl16__...zg-bv2n8am2mMAg

Can’t find anything on Gazzetta website about this.

[mstar]

in case you missed it:  https://x.com/AeroGi...354930628579365

 

credit to AeroGimli

[lewislorenzo]

mstar, on 30 Dec 2024 - 12:59, said:

in case you missed it: https://x.com/AeroGi...354930628579365

credit to AeroGimli

Sounds too good if true…

Edited by lewislorenzo, 30 December 2024 - 13:42.

[ferrarista]

Yeah, we have won multiple WDC and WCC in the winters, with a mega gap to the second best team, there are many reasons that this time it will be different though.

[KPower]

lewislorenzo, on 30 Dec 2024 - 13:07, said:

Sounds too good if true…

 

Sounds like the normal Ferrari offseason speculation to be honest. 

[brucewayne]

ferrarista, on 30 Dec 2024 - 13:28, said:

Yeah, we have won multiple WDC and WCC in the winters, with a mega gap to the second best team, there are many reasons that this time it will be different though.

We actually haven’t in a long time. We pretty much knew after TD039 in 2022 that this would be a long journey back. This team is different. Step by step.

Edited by brucewayne, 31 December 2024 - 10:10.

[Boxerevo]

Tomorrow he is released.

Edited by Boxerevo, 31 December 2024 - 12:35.

[nemanja]

https://it.motorspor...-test/10685525/

[ferrarista]

Let’s use still this thread for the relevant info.

I think the team thread is already destined to the oblivion with Max fans, 2021, etc.
I will try to be as far as possible from there.

———

Hamilton described his first day in the car as “very positive”, a session that would have gone even better than in the simulator, where in terms of comfort there are inevitable adjustments that need to be worked on at the factory before returning to the track.

https://autoracer.it...lerc-e-hamilton

For now we know this; Duchessa also reported on twitch that Lewis was already able to give some technical input in the few laps he did.

Edited by ferrarista, 25 January 2025 - 23:27.