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[SenorSjon]

All over Dutch media now is that Horner is being investigated for not so nice behaviour against one person in the team. Independent investigations are started.

 

https://www.telegraa...hristian-horner

 

 

[krapmeister]

Assuming this is the F1 'bombshell' that was rumoured to be coming out?

[Beri]

The beginning of the end.

[SenorSjon]

Assuming this is the F1 'bombshell' that was rumoured to be coming out?

 

I think it is. Can't find it anywhere else though. But the journo from the Telegraaf is covering F1 for ages now.

[JimmyClark]

Assuming this is the F1 'bombshell' that was rumoured to be coming out?

Wasn't that Hamilton?

Right now it could be anything, re Horner. Without knowing details, we don't know how serious it would be.

We don't even know the context. It says "inappropriate behaviour to a team member", so it's obviously not a corporate issue (eg fraud).

It's either an allegation of bullying or something worse, but he doesn't strike me as the type for either of those.

I think it's probably best not to speculate too much beyond that before there are further details...

But I wonder who leaked it?

[SilverArrow31]

Wasn't that Hamilton?

Right now it could be anything, re Horner. Without knowing details, we don't know how serious it would be.

We don't even know the context. It says "inappropriate behaviour to a team member", so it's obviously not a corporate issue (eg fraud).

It's either an allegation of bullying or something worse, but he doesn't strike me as the type for either of those.

I think it's probably best not to speculate too much beyond that before there are further details...

But I wonder who leaked it?

No theres a new "bombshell" coming apparently.

https://forums.autos.../#entry10493666

Edited by SilverArrow31, 05 February 2024 - 12:52.

[Thursday]

The question isn't where the leak is coming from, but why?

Who gains from Horner's downfall? Not Max and I think even Marko knows he is too old to be playing these sort of games and has no long term gain from Horner being booted.

[Sash1]

https://www.gpblog.c...-behaviour.html

 

In English a small summary.

[Slackbladder]

OOOOFFF This could shake things up hugely.

[Frankbullitt]

Oh dear, will be step down while the investigation is on-going?

[Slackbladder]

The line 'we take this very seriously' means it must be very serious for a corporation to say.

[SophieB]

Too light on detail to do more than say that in general, I think that’s exactly the way allegations of wrongdoing should be handled - get in an independent investigator and co-operate fully.

[Frood]

"Inappropriate behaviour" is so broad that this could be everything or nothing. I don't think it's worth speculation at this point.

[Stephane]

Of course it is worse speculation. What is ther to speculate when everything is known ?

[Frood]

Of course it is worse speculation. What is ther to speculate when everything is known ?

When people start speculating about things like this, without any further information, it could lead to rumours which are borderline libellous.

[Frankbullitt]

This thread will be all over the shop until details are revealed (and that is if they are ever revealed).

 

Brace yourselves. 

[SophieB]

Of course it is worse speculation. What is ther to speculate when everything is known ?

Because it’s not reasonable, fair or legal to just suggest someone is probably guilty of things that would damage their reputation if believed!

[SenorSjon]

By that, it is weird this is out in the open.

[Frankbullitt]

By that, it is weird this is out in the open.

 

RB getting ahead of it, or trying to at least.

[TomNokoe]

Interesting. Surprised it broke in the Dutch media.

[JL14]

This has the potential to cause some serious mayhem in Red Bull and derail their season, if the would end up without a team principal and the guy that has been leading team for 18 years.

 

Wonder who could/would take his place?

[DeKnyff]

When people start speculating about things like this, without any further information, it could lead to rumours which are borderline libellous.

There is an ongoing investigation. No one is speculating about anything, at least in this thread, but you can’t ignore the fact, neither.

[JL14]

This might even lead to Max quitting Red Bull and joining Mercedes 

[thefinalapex]

Interesting. Surprised it broke in the Dutch media.

 

There were rumours last year about a sort of stand off between Marko and Horner and that Max is on Marko's side because of their history together. As Erik van Haren is very close to the Verstappens and is usually on the money i think there maybe could be more to this then meets the eye.

[cbo]

Because it’s not reasonable, fair or legal to just suggest someone is probably guilty of things that would damage their reputation if believed!

That is soooo 20th Century.......😉😁

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

This has the potential to cause some serious mayhem in Red Bull and derail their season, if the would end up without a team principal and the guy that has been leading team for 18 years.

 

Wonder who could/would take his place?

[Frood]

There is an ongoing investigation. No one is speculating about anything, at least in this thread, but you can’t ignore the fact, neither.

I know, and I wasn't calling out Stephane for it, either. Just thought it was worth saying it in case anybody wanted to.

[Autodromo]

The question isn't where the leak is coming from, but why?

Who gains from Horner's downfall? Not Max and I think even Marko knows he is too old to be playing these sort of games and has no long term gain from Horner being booted.

Maybe the person who was the subject of this behavior leaked it?  Or their representative.  If it is bullying he can probably survive that, but not if he had an affair.

[Stephane]

Because it’s not reasonable, fair or legal to just suggest someone is probably guilty of things that would damage their reputation if believed!

I said speculation, not suggestion

[SparkPlug86]

Wouldn’t put it past Marko to have tried to oust Horner. They really don’t get along well from what is understood. I hope there is nothing to this and equally, if nothing would be quite stressful for Horner. Fair play to RB to hiring outside investigators, but I imagine this is something serious.

[Burtros]

Anyone read the Daily Mail and know if Gerri is still wearing her wedding ring?

[SparkPlug86]

Anyone read the Daily Mail and know if Gerri is still wearing her wedding ring?

Fair shout.

[JHSingo]

Sounds quite serious. I just hope this is something that has happened fairly recently, and not something that's been covered up for a while and is only being investigated now that it is in the public domain..

Edited by JHSingo, 05 February 2024 - 13:40.

[Ferrari2183]

Sounds quite serious. I just hope this is something that has happened fairly recently, and not something that's been covered up for a while and is only being investigated now that it is in the public domain..

 

This is usually the case though isn't it.

[Desdirodeabike]

In the age of cancel culture, this stuff almost always ends with the person accused leaving his position. Whether the accusations hold water or not.

[mstar]

Does this explain why in February him and Geri have been out and about a lot in February,  as he has been suspended pending conclusion of the investigation? 

[Red5ive]

Max runs the team anyway doesnt he.

[ensign14]

I said speculation, not suggestion

 

That's just as bad though.  Opinions must be based on true facts.

[Mark521]

Just to add to RainyAfterlifeDaylight's post #26: Just think of how much fun a team run by Steiner and Marko would be, DTS could double their audience size overnight. 

 

Seriously, I do hope this all just a big misunderstanding and all parties are satisfied with the results of the investigation.

[macjim]

Made the daily hate now:

 

https://www.dailymai...accusation.html

[steferrari]

What the hell is Vasseur cooking? 

[DeKnyff]

The question isn't where the leak is coming from, but why?

Who gains from Horner's downfall? Not Max and I think even Marko knows he is too old to be playing these sort of games and has no long term gain from Horner being booted.

 

If there is an investigation going on inside the team, many people have to be aware of it and anyone could have leaked it.

[renzmann]

I hope it's not serious, as this can cause all kinds of trouble for the team. I'm still recovering from Marc Overmars leaving Ajax, and Ajax's spectacular downfall afterwards - not to mention the weird stuff women had to endure at my favourite club. I really hope this is all just a storm in a teacup.

 

I agree it's best not to speculate too much, but one aspect from Dutch media that hasn't been mentioned here is that supposedly the allegations came from one particular member of the team. This suggests any misconduct might not have been systematic. Then again, other members of the team might speak up in the investigation.

 

Horner's reaction reveals something as well. He fully denies all allegations. To me, that sounds like it must have been serious allegations. Had it been a team member who felt unsafe because of some rude comment, I reckon Horner had reacted differently.

[Slackbladder]

I hope it's not serious, as this can cause all kinds of trouble for the team. I'm still recovering from Marc Overmars leaving Ajax, and Ajax's spectacular downfall afterwards - not to mention the weird stuff women had to endure at my favourite club. I really hope this is all just a storm in a teacup.

 

I agree it's best not to speculate too much, but one aspect from Dutch media that hasn't been mentioned here is that supposedly the allegations came from one particular member of the team. This suggests any misconduct might not have been systematic. Then again, other members of the team might speak up in the investigation.

 

Horner's reaction reveals something as well. He fully denies all allegations. To me, that sounds like it must have been serious allegations. Had it been a team member who felt unsafe because of some rude comment, I reckon Horner had reacted differently.

 

It also means something which they couldn't deal with internally, so effectively something they couldn't 'settle' one way or another.

[Stephane]

That's just as bad though. Opinions must be based on true facts.

That would change the world if that was the case.

[Yoshi]

Sounds quite serious. I just hope this is something that has happened fairly recently, and not something that's been covered up for a while and is only being investigated now that it is in the public domain..

 

It seems something happend at the Hahnenkamm ski race (end of January)

[Stephane]

I hope it's not serious, as this can cause all kinds of trouble for the team. I'm still recovering from Marc Overmars leaving Ajax, and Ajax's spectacular downfall afterwards - not to mention the weird stuff women had to endure at my favourite club. I really hope this is all just a storm in a teacup.

I agree it's best not to speculate too much, but one aspect from Dutch media that hasn't been mentioned here is that supposedly the allegations came from one particular member of the team. This suggests any misconduct might not have been systematic. Then again, other members of the team might speak up in the investigation.

Horner's reaction reveals something as well. He fully denies all allegations. To me, that sounds like it must have been serious allegations. Had it been a team member who felt unsafe because of some rude comment, I reckon Horner had reacted differently.

you don't want to speculate but do it anyway....

[RedRabbit]

In the age of cancel culture, this stuff almost always ends with the person accused leaving his position. Whether the accusations hold water or not.

Marko says hi. You don't remember the uproar last year about his comments around Perez?

[Garagista]

I just Know Antonio Felix da Costa said in a Brazilian Podcast that things in Red Bull are really bad and that the environment is really bad.

 

he then said he didn't want to say anything else as a question of Respect for the team.

Edited by Garagista, 05 February 2024 - 14:06.

[renzmann]

you don't want to speculate but do it anyway....

I can't deny it