When hearing about Andretti being forced to have a bespoke engine and be successful from the start, I thought that this was a very new level to be required from a new entry. Then I thought back into the history of FIA World Championship racing, and without regarding to any teams being forced this way, I wanted to know how many teams were debuting with their own engines and being successful in the same time. This is the list I came up with. Successful is regarding what is expected of Andretti now.
1950
Make/Team: Alfa Romeo
Result: 1/FL
Successful: Yes
Make/Team: Delage
Result: Refused Entry
Successful: No
Make/Team: ERA
Result: 6
Successful: No
Make/Team: Ferrai
Result: 2, First win 1951, First WC: 1952
Successful: Yes
Make/Team: Maserati
Result: T-car, first Victory/title: 1957
Successful: Yes
Make/Team: Ralph Miller
Result: NQ
Successful: No
Make/Team: Gordini/Simca-Gordini
Result: 4
Successful: No
Make/Team: SVA
Result: DNA
Successful: No
Make/Team: Talbot
Result: 3
Successful: Not really
1951:
Make/Team: BRM
Result: 5, First Win 1959, WC: 1962
Successful: OK
Make/Team: Ford
Result: DNA / Camera car 1966
Successful: No
1952:
Make/Team: Aston-Butterworth
Result: R
Successful: No
Make/Team: Cisitalia
Result: DNS
Successful: No
Make/Team: Frazer-Nash
Result: 21
Successful: No
1954:
Make/Team: Lancia
Result: R, FL
Successful: No
Make/Team: Mercedes-Benz
Result: 1, FL, World Champion
Successful: Yes
Make/Team: Pegaso
Result: DNA
Successful: No
Make/Team: Vanwall
Result: 7, First win 1957, Constructors Champions
Successful: Yes
1956:
Make/Team: Bugatti
Result: R
Successful: No
1957:
Make/Team: Porsche
Result: 12, First Victory 1962
Successful: No
1959:
Make/Team: Aston Martin
Result: 6
Successful: No
1960:
Make/Team: Scarab
Result: 10
Successful: No
1963:
Make/Team: ATS
Result: 11
Successful: No
1964:
Make/Team: Honda
Result: 13, crashed, First Victory 1965
Successful: Not really
1969:
Make/Team: BMW
Result: DNS
Successful: No
Make/Team: Cosworth
Result: DNA
Successful: NO
1972:
Make/Team: Tecno
Result: 17, NC
Successful: No
1977:
Make/Team: Renault
Result: R, First Victory 1979
Successful: More or less
1985:
Make/Team: Zakspeed
Result: 11
Successful: No
1991:
Make/Team: Lamborghini
Result: 7
Successful: No
2002:
Make/Team: Toyota
Result: 6
Successful: No
The only teams that ended up as successful started in the fifties, more than half a century ago, with the exception of Mercedes. That one could be coupled to the fifties team of Mercedes-Benz, which then makes that Vanwall is the last one to make it according to these rules, with even Honda and Renault not really making it.
Is this fair to Andretti?
Edit: I removed a second mention of Porsche in 1962 because that one was left in accidentally. And the 2010 entry of Mercedes, because the engine used was already in use as a customer engine, so it does not count as a "new" engine.
And the fact that it starts from 1950 is because we take the continuing World Championship as basis. We could extend further back but then we also need to consider non-championship races, and it suddenly becomes a huge job, with less relevance to the current situation.
Edited by Henk Vasmel, 10 February 2024 - 12:09.