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[Ivanhoe]

Autosport

 

Verstappen 10

Perez 6

Sainz 8

Leclerc 8

Russell 8

Norris 6

Hamilton 5

Piastri 6

Alonso 8

Stroll 7

Zhou 8

Magnussen 7

Ricciardo 5

Tsundoda 5

Albon 6

Hulkenberg 6

Ocon 6

Gasly 5

Bottas 6

Sargeant 5

 

 

 

[Ivanhoe]

AMuS

• Max Verstappen – 10/10
• Sergio Pérez – 09/10
• Carlos Sainz – 09/10
• Charles Leclerc – 08/10
• George Russell – 08/10
• Lando Norris – 08/10
• Lewis Hamilton – 07/10
• Oscar Piastri – 07/10
• Fernando Alonso – 08/10
• Lance Stroll – 07/10
• Guanyu Zhou – 06/10
• Kevin Magnussen – 06/10
• Daniel Ricciardo – 07/10
• Yuki Tsunoda – 07/10
• Alex Albon – 06/10
• Nico Hülkenberg – 09/10
• Esteban Ocon – 06/10
• Pierre Gasly – 05/10
• Valtteri Bottas – 05/10
• Logan Sargeant – 04/10

[Laster]

As good as Hulk’s qualifying lap was, I don’t think that alone deserves a 9 from AMuS after messing up his start.

[Ivanhoe]

Edd Straw (The Race)

 

1. Verstappen
2. Russell
3. Alonso
4. Leclerc
5. Sainz
6. Perez 
7. Zhou
8. Stroll
9. Norris
10. Albon
11. Tsunoda
12. Piastri 
13. Ocon
14. Gasly
15. Hulkenberg
16. Hamilton
17. Ricciardo
18. Bottas
19. Magnussen
20. Sargeant

[Kvothe]

Autosport

Verstappen 10
Perez 6
Sainz 8
Leclerc 8
Russell 8
Norris 6
Hamilton 5
Piastri 6
Alonso 8
Stroll 7
Zhou 8
Magnussen 7
Ricciardo 5
Tsundoda 5
Albon 6
Hulkenberg 6
Ocon 6
Gasly 5
Bottas 6
Sargeant 5

Lol Hamilton lower than Hulkenberg who got a slow start and damaged his front wing in the first corner compromising his race.

[Ali623]

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AMuS

• Max Verstappen – 10/10
• Sergio Pérez – 09/10
• Carlos Sainz – 09/10
• Charles Leclerc – 08/10
• George Russell – 08/10
• Lando Norris – 08/10
• Lewis Hamilton – 07/10
• Oscar Piastri – 07/10
• Fernando Alonso – 08/10
• Lance Stroll – 07/10
• Guanyu Zhou – 06/10
• Kevin Magnussen – 06/10
• Daniel Ricciardo – 07/10
• Yuki Tsunoda – 07/10
• Alex Albon – 06/10
• Nico Hülkenberg – 09/10
• Esteban Ocon – 06/10
• Pierre Gasly – 05/10
• Valtteri Bottas – 05/10
• Logan Sargeant – 04/10

Only thing that justifies those Hulkenberg and Magnussen ratings are if AMuS ranks on qualifying only…

[jcbc3]

Personally I thought Magnussen drove a fine race. He didn't nail qualifying but he was smart and I believe got the absolute maximum result possible in the race.

But AMUS and Straw think it was crap. And AMUS think that Perez's race weekend was the second best of all the drivers. Again, I don't quite see it thus. Well, here we go again.

[Dimocash]

As good as Hulk’s qualifying lap was, I don’t think that alone deserves a 9 from AMuS after messing up his start.

Didn't he get hit a few times times on the back by Bottas which made him touch Stroll?

[Laster]

I haven’t been able to look at the onboards, but I think Bottas gave Hulk a tap as a result of Hulk tapping Stroll and checking up that bit more. I could be wrong though.

[jcbc3]

No, that was all on Hulk. Bottas only tapped Hulk because he stood still after barging into Stroll.

[Dimocash]

No, that was all on Hulk. Bottas only tapped Hulk because he stood still after barging into Stroll.

Than I stand corrected

[Lowgrip]

Here we go again with the (easy) 10s.
Plenty of those this season I guess...

 

9 for Perez for doing what exactly?

Edited by Lowgrip, 04 March 2024 - 14:17.

[KWSN - DSM]

As good as Hulk’s qualifying lap was, I don’t think that alone deserves a 9 from AMuS after messing up his start.

 

German connection surely.

[MikeTekRacing]

Here we go again with the (easy) 10s.
Plenty of those this season I guess...

 

9 for Perez for doing what exactly?

finishing second, which is the best result possible for the team.

I agree 9 is too much, but 6 seen above is also ridiculous (the Hulk tank got 6 also for playing pool in turn 1)

[P123]

I hope Lights still does their ratings, for a bit of sanity.  A publication gives Hulk a 9, but the driver he punted to last and made a good recovery drive to the points, one place behind his teammate a 7?  Perhaps they heavily weighted to qualifying.  I suspect the glaring oddities are done for clicks.

[Ben24]

I hope Lights still does their ratings, for a bit of sanity.  A publication gives Hulk a 9, but the driver he punted to last and made a good recovery drive to the points, one place behind his teammate a 7?  Perhaps they heavily weighted to qualifying.  I suspect the glaring oddities are done for clicks.

Hulkenberg easily deserved a 9 for this weekend. It's clear as day that Bottas hit him first which sent him into Stroll so he was taken out of the race through no fault of his own. His pace was actually really strong all race after that though. For comparison, he was 42 seconds behind Alonso at the end of lap 2 and was less than 40 seconds behind him at the end of the race. I think H-H-S that Hulkenberg did was a bit quicker than the S-H-H that Alonso did but I think Hulkenberg also lost more time in traffic than Alonso.

[mclarensmps]

 

Edd Straw (The Race)

 

1. Verstappen
2. Russell
3. Alonso
4. Leclerc
5. Sainz
6. Perez 
7. Zhou
8. Stroll
9. Norris
10. Albon
11. Tsunoda
12. Piastri 
13. Ocon
14. Gasly
15. Hulkenberg
16. Hamilton
17. Ricciardo
18. Bottas
19. Magnussen
20. Sargeant

 

 

Can someone tell me what he was watching? I might as well highlight the whole list other than Verstappen, actually. 

[jcbc3]

Hulkenberg easily deserved a 9 for this weekend. It's clear as day that Bottas hit him first which sent him into Stroll so he was taken out of the race through no fault of his own. ...

 

Sigh: https://www.haasf1te...ix-race-recap-6

 

Haas own recap of the race

 

 

 

...Hulkenberg took the start from P10, also on soft tires, but his race unraveled at Turn 1 following contact with Aston Martin’s Lance Stroll. Hulkenberg was forced into a first-lap pit stop, in which he took on a new front wing and hard tires, leaving him out of sync for the remainder of the race....

 

No mention of Bottas, because Bottas didn't do anything untoward Hülkenberg.

[Lights]

I hope Lights still does their ratings, for a bit of sanity.  A publication gives Hulk a 9, but the driver he punted to last and made a good recovery drive to the points, one place behind his teammate a 7?  Perhaps they heavily weighted to qualifying.  I suspect the glaring oddities are done for clicks.

 

Sorry to disappoint, but I decided to stop. I've increasingly grown disillusioned doing my ratings over the years due to the realisation of its flaws and unavoidable biases. 

 

Additionally, doing these ratings properly is actually quite time intensive (otherwise you end up with the examples in this thread) and due to some significant changes in my life I simply don't have that time anymore.

 

So for my own sanity I had give up on it.

[Ben24]

Sigh: https://www.haasf1te...ix-race-recap-6

 

Haas own recap of the race

 

 

No mention of Bottas, because Bottas didn't do anything untoward Hülkenberg.

Not sure what that is meant to prove. Just look at the replays. It's extremely clear what happened - Bottas gives Hulkenberg a slight nudge which knocks him into the back of Stroll, before Bottas hits Hulkenberg again

[KWSN - DSM]

Not sure what that is meant to prove. Just look at the replays. It's extremely clear what happened - Bottas gives Hulkenberg a slight nudge which knocks him into the back of Stroll, before Bottas hits Hulkenberg again

 

[jcbc3]

Not sure what that is meant to prove. Just look at the replays. It's extremely clear what happened - Bottas gives Hulkenberg a slight nudge which knocks him into the back of Stroll, before Bottas hits Hulkenberg again

 

https://youtu.be/3aK0IU1uK-o?t=34

[Ben24]

Are you actually saying that there wasn't contact between Bottas and Hulkenberg before the contact between Hulkenberg and Stroll?  I've seen quite a bit of discussion about who was at fault and whether the first contact was enough to cause the second, but there has never really been a question whether the first contact was actually between Hulkenberg and Bottas. 

 

I will admit that Hulkenberg was not totally blameless in the incident. He got a bad start and went steaming down the inside into a pinch point trying to make up for it. As a result, he had to really step on the brakes near the end of the braking zone after getting caught out by Stroll stopping quicker than he thought. Taking this risk put him in a really dangerous position that often results in first corner contact. At the same time Bottas also went steaming down the inside of turn 1 and also got caught out by Nico stopping quicker than he expected. He had less room than Hulk to react which resulted in the very smallest of contact that unfortunately caused a domino effect where Nico hit Stroll and almost stopped in front of Bottas, causing further contact. At the end of the day, it was really a typical first corner incident where the 2 guys who took the most risk going into turn 1 got a little unlucky and paid the ultimate price for the risk they took.

[Anderis]

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[Marklar]

Hulkenberg is forever the driver that qualifies well, then ****s up his race, but then no one cares about this at that point: everyone has already decided before the race he should sit in a top car. I imagine the ratings for this weekend were made with the same idea

[A.Fant]

Hulkenberg is forever the driver that qualifies well, then ****s up his race, but then no one cares about this at that point: everyone has already decided before the race he should sit in a top car. I imagine the ratings for this weekend were made with the same idea

IIRC Hülkenberg is the all time leader in first lap retirements and that doesn't even include races like this one. I'd venture I rate him higher than most, but his recklessness is widely overlooked.

[bibliophagos]

IIRC Hülkenberg is the all time leader in first lap retirements and that doesn't even include races like this one. I'd venture I rate him higher than most, but his recklessness is widely overlooked.

That would be Trulli. Hülkenberg is shared 4th with Raikkonen

[alexsab]

Autosport's Saudi Arabian GP ratings

(race weekend performance)

 

Verstappen - 10

Bearman - 10

Leclerc - 9

Piastri - 8

Alonso - 8

Hulkenberg - 8

Perez - 7

Russell - 7

Albon - 7

Norris - 6

Hamilton - 6

Magnussen - 5

Ocon - 5

Tsunoda - 5

Gasly - 5

Sargeant - 4

Bottas - 4

Zhou - 4

Ricciardo - 3

Stroll - 2 

[alexsab]

The Race - Edd Straw's Saudi Arabian GP rankings

(race weekend performance)

 

1st - Bearman

2nd - Verstappen

3rd - Leclerc

4th - Piastri

5th - Hulkenberg

6th - Alonso

7th - Perez

8th - Norris

9th - Albon

10th - Russell

11th - Tsunoda

12th - Hamilton

13th - Magnussen

14th - Ocon

15th - Ricciardo

16th - Gasly

17th - Bottas

18th - Zhou

19th - Sargeant

20th - Stroll 

[Laster]

Rating Magnussen this weekend is a real quandary. On the one hand put Albon up against the wall and got a penalty for it. Then passed Tsunoda off track and got a second penalty.

But on the other hand he absolutely was the reason Haas and Hulkenberg scored a point as he used the pace of the Haas to completely destroy the races of everyone behind him, and the moment Hulk was clear he shot off into the distance and demonstrated that the Haas really had the legs on all of them.

[F1Frog]

I think Ocon is being harshly rated by both.

[1player]

The Race - Edd Straw's Saudi Arabian GP rankings

(race weekend performance)

 

1st - Bearman

2nd - Verstappen

I come to this thread every weekend to remind myself that Edd Straw is a very silly person.

[KWSN - DSM]

I think Ocon is being harshly rated by both.

 

Agree, he did above what that car is capable of.

[Benchulo]

I come to this thread every weekend to remind myself that Edd Straw is a very silly person.

Me thinks Edd Straw just randomly put the rankings so he can generate more comments.

[southernstars]

I think at this point Edd Straw has an official policy that Sargeant has to be last, no matter what he did in the actual race. The only reason he couldn't this time was because Gasly's gearbox went pop.

 

A 3 for Ricciardo from Autosport is absolutely insane and I'm guessing yet another person who assumed he fell to the back of the pack because he just sucks as opposed to being stuck in the pits for 40sec. The 4 for Sargeant isn't much better.

[spiderek21]

Hello!

 

AMuS Notes anyone?

[jcbc3]

...

A 3 for Ricciardo from Autosport is absolutely insane ...

 

He qualified behind his not so touted team mate, which is 1 point deduction from the starting point of '5'. He failed to hang on to Sargent and had a late self-induced spin. 3 is generous.

[Yoshi]

Hello!

 

AMuS Notes anyone?

They are not online yet. I assume they will post them today.

Edited by Yoshi, 11 March 2024 - 07:20.

[SenorSjon]

The Race - Edd Straw's Saudi Arabian GP rankings

(race weekend performance)

 

1st - Bearman

2nd - Verstappen

3rd - Leclerc

4th - Piastri

5th - Hulkenberg

6th - Alonso

7th - Perez

8th - Norris

9th - Albon

10th - Russell

11th - Tsunoda

12th - Hamilton

13th - Magnussen

14th - Ocon

15th - Ricciardo

16th - Gasly

17th - Bottas

18th - Zhou

19th - Sargeant

20th - Stroll 

 

Ah yes, the everything-but-Verstappen-1st listing. I wasn't THAT impressed with Bearman I would rate him driver of the weekend.

[alexsab]

Auto Motor und Sport's Saudi Arabian GP ratings

(race weekend performance)

 

Verstappen - 10

Bearman - 10

Perez - 9

Leclerc - 9

Alonso - 9

Hulkenberg - 9

Piastri - 8

Magnussen - 8

Russell - 7

Norris - 7

Hamilton - 7

Albon - 7

Ocon - 7

Tsunoda - 6

Sargeant - 5

Gasly - 5

Bottas - 4

Zhou - 4

Ricciardo - 3

Stroll - 3 

[KWSN - DSM]

Too high with all the 10's, temper that with me only ever giving 10 for a first time winner, rest is listed more or less where I have them.

[jcbc3]

That's very generous to Magnussen. He did a wonderful team job, but he also didn't qualify to the cars potential and cupped two deserved penalties.

[KWSN - DSM]

That's very generous to Magnussen. He did a wonderful team job, but he also didn't qualify to the cars potential and cupped two deserved penalties.

 

I am a fanboy.

[spiderek21]

Hello! No notes after Australia? I`m curious about ratings for George and Sergio

[Anderis]

Hello! No notes after Australia? I`m curious about ratings for George and Sergio

I feel like this weekend is going to have some controversial ratings.

 

Wonder how Verstappen is going to be rated given his early DNF.

 

And I bet we're going to see various interpretations of Alonso-Russell incident by various outlets.

[alexsab]

Autosport's Australian GP ratings

(race weekend performance)

 

Sainz - 10

Tsunoda - 9

Leclerc - 8

Norris - 8

Magnussen - 8

Bottas - 8

Piastri - 7

Hulkenberg - 7

Ocon - 7

Verstappen - 7

Stroll - 6

Zhou - 6

Russell - 6

Perez - 5

Gasly - 5

Hamilton - 5

Ricciardo - 4

Alonso - 3

Albon - 2

Edited by alexsab, 25 March 2024 - 11:04.

[KWSN - DSM]

I strangely for once agree more or less with Autosport.

[SenorSjon]

Verstappen a 7? For getting pole? That's harsh. 

Alonso grade if you follow the stewards and lay 100% of the blame on him.

Russell has binned it again. A 6 is too high.

Edited by SenorSjon, 25 March 2024 - 11:17.

[JimmyClark]

Verstappen a 7? For getting pole? That's harsh. 

Alonso grade if you follow the stewards and lay 100% of the blame on him.

Russell has binned it again. A 6 is too high.

 

I guess if you see Alonso as at fault for causing George to crash, then it would be harsh to rate George down on that basis (as per Autosport). If you don't believe it, then the scores will be vice versa. 

 

Also Autosport just do race ratings only (at least in 2023 they did; still the case now?), so a 7 is quite fair for Max on that basis. 

[KWSN - DSM]

I guess if you see Alonso as at fault for causing George to crash, then it would be harsh to rate George down on that basis (as per Autosport). If you don't believe it, then the scores will be vice versa. 

 

Also Autosport just do race ratings only (at least in 2023 they did; still the case now?), so a 7 is quite fair for Max on that basis. 

 

Comments indicate they look at qualifying again.

 

"..Ordinarily his Turns 9/10 moments and losses on his final Q3 run would have cost the maximum but they don’t for two reasons."

 

".. Tried to fix things with an “aggressive” front wing adjustment for his final Q3 lap"

 

"..Headed Leclerc in qualifying but that was more to down to the Ferrari’s mishaps."