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[Boing 2]

Millimeter perfect:

As impressive as this looks I often wonder if it gets to a point where the disturbance to the front wing airflow becomes more of a hinderance than anything, it must absolutely knacker the front wing function.

[Risil]

You mean like how at Indy the drivers like to run their cars away from the wall on the straights?

It might not matter, Max's front wing was only in close proximity to the wall for a tiny fraction of a second.

[Garagista]

Millimeter perfect:

There was one from Bearman, not in this corner, that was also impressive.

And having in mind he had only 1 Fp.. these guys are really special. Even at 18.

[Boing 2]

You mean like how at Indy the drivers like to run their cars away from the wall on the straights?

It might not matter, Max's front wing was only in close proximity to the wall for a tiny fraction of a second.

Yeah, exactly, I know the aero guys say they are limited in wind tunnel model scale by the fact that that car has to have a healthy clearance to the wind tunnel walls or it screws up their numbers. It'd be interesting to see how going wheel to wheel with another car would affect downforce too, especially in the braking zone.

[Clrnc]

IMO one of the reasons Verstappen's 2021 lap is so mythologised is because we saw it live, however this crucial detail seems to have been missed by both FOM and the fanbase who continue to decline some form of single lap qualifying.

It's insane that this lap is faster than 2021 because this layout is slower plus the cars now are slower than 2021.

[FullOppositeLock]

One would think after reading some comments that Max is one second ahead of everyone else in every race. He drives the fastest car and he is 0,3-4 sec ahead of Leclerc and Alonso. There is nothing magical about that, we have seen it in the past too many times.

He is probably the best driver out there atm, has huge confidence in the car and a brutal consistency, but he his far from being called an alien, even Perez now or there reminded us of that.

Regardless of how it came about, that lap is magical to watch, much more so than the footage and data we actually got. What sport in their right mind would not use live track action of such beauty in favour of what we got. I could understand switching to Alonso as he was only a tenth up after S2, but they didn’t even do that. Ditection of Q3 was a shambles. I’ll probably put up two or three onboards of the main contenders on myself next time, if the people paid to show the sport of in the best possible way refuse to do it.

[Rediscoveryx]

I would really like single lap for the top 10 or top 8 or something.

Single lap for everyone - otherwise they’re not rrally pubished for their mistakes (if starting 8th is the worst-case scenario).

Edited by Rediscoveryx, 09 March 2024 - 13:33.

[P123]

I would really like single lap for the top 10 or top 8 or something.

 

I think people forget how utterly dull single lap qualifying was.

[Rediscoveryx]

Regardless of how it came about, that lap is magical to watch, much more so than the footage and data we actually got. What sport in their right mind would not use live track action of such beauty in favour of what we got. I could understand switching to Alonso as he was only a tenth up after S2, but they didn’t even do that. Ditection of Q3 was a shambles. I’ll probably put up two or three onboards of the main contenders on myself next time, if the people paid to show the sport of in the best possible way refuse to do it.

But people thought (for some reason that’s difficult for me to comprehend) that single lap qualifying was boring. Apparently it’s more entertaining to watch some driver selected at random, while the commentators are frantically trying to communicate what’s happening on the live timing sheets.

…and then following the qualifying session there’s the added suspense of waiting an hour or so for news about who’s receieved a penalty for impeding.

Edited by Rediscoveryx, 09 March 2024 - 13:38.

[Risil]

I think people forget how utterly dull single lap qualifying was.

I remember really enjoying it actually. I know other people remember it differently.

[Rediscoveryx]

I actually think they could use different qualifying systems at different venues. It wouldn’t hurt at all to do single lap at Monaco for instance.

Indycar uses at least three different systems across the season for instance.

Edited by Rediscoveryx, 09 March 2024 - 13:49.

[JeePee]

"It's the car"

https://www.youtube....h?v=Z65Eh6-rCJo

"He isn't even pushing"

[Muzzyf1]

Q3 should be a 1 lap shoot-out on super soft tyres starting from p10 to p1 1 car at a time

[Ben1980]

A Mercedes, Ferrari or McLaren is not “any other car”. The Red Bulls Max took poles and wins in before 2021 were at that level, i.e. often third fastest and a clear cut below the dominating team(s). We have five years of documentary evidence, and this was when Max was nog even at his peak. Put Max 2024 version in a Ferrari, Mercedes or McLaren and you’re damn right he would occasionally be competing poles and wins.

Surely that depends on who is driving the RBR car?

[PayasYouRace]

Wow, these arguments don't get any less tedious with Max than they were for Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso, Schumacher, etc. etc. etc.

 

Anyone want to do a race thread?

[Ben1980]

Every great driver needs a great car. Max is a great driver, but I don't see he is any better than Lewis was, or Alonso, and I think Leclerc would have similar results if he had the best car available.

At present the combo of Max and RB is far and away tge best. But, if he was in the Era of Merc and Lewis being the best, he wouldnt be thought of in the same regards.

[LolaB0860]

Both F1 Academy and FIA F2 have had sort of bizarre races with bad driving standards and messy races today, but I have a feeling F1 kids and their bulletproof cars will behave like in church again

 

Okay, maybe Sargeant will damage wing or two, but they'll just throw virtual SC for it (Brundle's not in the booth demanding the use of full safety car)

[Beamer]

Every great driver needs a great car. Max is a great driver, but I don't see he is any better than Lewis was, or Alonso, and I think Leclerc would have similar results if he had the best car available.

At present the combo of Max and RB is far and away tge best. But, if he was in the Era of Merc and Lewis being the best, he wouldnt be thought of in the same regards.

He was actually. Almost from race 1, definitely as of his 3rd season when the rough edges came off

[Boing 2]

I think people forget how utterly dull single lap qualifying was.

The three stage qually rule is the single greatest regulation change I've seen in 35+ years of following, old style qualifying was 45 minutes of tedium and 15 minutes of madness, even worse was 2 day qually when it rained on day 2 and no one went out at all....

[Ben1980]

He was actually. Almost from race 1, definitely as of his 3rd season when the rough edges came off

But, if he had been in the long haul, and never got the dominating car. He would have been a great what if. Sonething I think will befall Leclerc and likely Norris.

[mikeC]

 

 

... Anyone want to do a race thread?

 

Nah; it's not worth it 

[Deeq]

The three stage qually rule is the single greatest regulation change I've seen in 35+ years of following, old style qualifying was 45 minutes of tedium and 15 minutes of madness, even worse was 2 day qually when it rained on day 2 and no one went out at all....

Maybe keep as is (3 stage as now) but make a change to Q3
1 or 2 laps (consecutive) but only last will count!😱
You qualify with special Hard Tyres used only for this session & with full tanks.
Race can be started with your tyre of choice.
Random start sequence for Q3 so luck determine whether weather hurts you or not.
Of course if not clear from above 1 car at a time.

Edited by Deeq, 09 March 2024 - 15:00.

[KWSN - DSM]

Max that close to the wall is only great because he was not that extra centimeter closer, regardless of the good outcome, I see this as a relative mistake, yes take chances, but not to the point where you would have busted the car and needed a new gearbox.

 

The argument of him being just that great is not really true, as everyone know the cars are not on rails, they move, they jump.

[Shambolic]

I would really like single lap for the top 10 or top 8 or something.

What have you got against enjoyment?

[IrvTheSwerve]

I enjoyed single lap qually but wouldn’t take it in place of the current qually to satisfy the idiots on the grid crawling around the track. Penalise them.

 

Where I would bring back single lap qually if for the sprint race rubbish.

[Boing 2]

Maybe keep as is (3 stage as now) but make a change to Q3
1 or 2 laps (consecutive) but only last will count!
You qualify with special Hard Tyres used only for this session & with full tanks.
Race can be started with your tyre of choice.
Random start sequence for Q3 so luck determine whether weather hurts you or not.
Of course if not clear from above 1 car at a time.

I really like the drivers being able to come out and respond to each others times, limiting laps just takes away that challenge for me.

[jcbc3]

And here we go: https://forums.autos...gp-race-thread/