21 replies to this topic

[tyker]

Once again I bring forward my qualifying averages for those of you that are interested in this kind of thing, my methodology is too use the fastest lap a driver achieves whether that be in Q1, Q2 or Q3, a driver may well out qualify his teammate but end up having achieved a slower lap so his teammate gets the benefit towards the average lap.

 

Laps are only used where drivers competed in the same qualifying sessions and only dry laps are used because wet laps are run in inconsistent conditions were much larger gaps in teammates are often seen and often an element of luck might be present as well.

 

It has to be seen that a driver has had a fair chance to set a competitive lap, free of mechanical issues, yellow flags etc, also a driver may simply not have set a competitive lap after running off the track or it could be a combination of all 3 things. Another thing I have to be sure of is that drivers are driving to their maximum ability and not just coasting through the qualifying sessions like we tend to see with the top teams until they reach Q3.

 

2024 (After 3 races)

 

01. Tsunoda 0.45s

02. Albon 0.4s

03. Verstappen 0.35s

04. Bottas 0.32s

05. Alonso 0.213s

06. Hulkenberg 0.206s

07. Ocon 0.17s

08. Russell 0.14s

09. Leclerc 0.11s

10. Norris 0.09s

 

[Secretariat]

Nice and thanks for your effort. Regarding your methodology, what is the standard for "competitive lap"? Is it just the combination of those 3 variables or are there additional considerations like traffic/impeding?

[tyker]

Nice and thanks for your effort. Regarding your methodology, what is the standard for "competitive lap"? Is it just the combination of those 3 variables or are there additional considerations like traffic/impeding?

Yes also things like traffic and impeding.

[tyker]

After Japan (Japan Difference)

 

01. Bottas 0.4s (0.541s)

02. Alonso 0.36s (0.77s)

03. Tsunoda 0.35s (0.055s)

04. Albon 0.32s (0.176s)

05. Verstappen 0.28s (0.066s)

06. Hulkenburg 0.24s (0.31s)

07. Ocon 0.21s (0.308s)

08. Norris 0.14s (0.271s)

09. Russell 0.05s (-0.242s)

10. Leclerc 0.04s (-0.104s)

[jAnO76]

Yes also things like traffic and impeding.

Welll… didn’t Perez have Russel parked in the final chicane? 😬

[tyker]

Welll… didn’t Perez have Russel parked in the final chicane?

I didn't watch the qualifying live so I guess that must be something I missed, that being said I would be guessing that Perez is quite pleased with his qualifying lap, it lowered his gap to Verstappen.

[Sterzo]

Welll… didn’t Perez have Russel parked in the final chicane?

Did he have to slow for him? Didn't look like he did to me. I thought Russell was off line and out of the way.

[statsguy]

After Japan (Japan Difference)

 

01. Bottas 0.4s (0.541s)

02. Alonso 0.36s (0.77s)

03. Tsunoda 0.35s (0.055s)

04. Albon 0.32s (0.176s)

05. Verstappen 0.28s (0.066s)

06. Hulkenburg 0.24s (0.31s)

07. Ocon 0.21s (0.308s)

08. Norris 0.14s (0.271s)

09. Russell 0.05s (-0.242s)

10. Leclerc 0.04s (-0.104s)

How are you treating the race where Sainz was injured - is Bearman's time used instead? It makes sense to exclude it as an outlier, otherwise it distorts Sainz's performance.

[tyker]

How are you treating the race where Sainz was injured - is Bearman's time used instead? It makes sense to exclude it as an outlier, otherwise it distorts Sainz's performance.

No it's a driver comparison not the cars they drive, it's excluded.

Edited by tyker, 06 April 2024 - 23:38.

[tyker]

After China (China Difference)

 

01. Albon 0.4s (0.629s)

02. Bottas 0.38s (0.336s)

03. Alonso 0.32s (0.186s)

04. Hulkenburg 0.292s (0.448s)

05. Verstappen 0.287s (0.322s)

06. Tsunoda 0.22s (-0.303s)

07. Ocon 0.18s (0.064s)

08. Russell 0.14s (0.491s)

09. Norris 0.13s (0.11s)

10. Leclerc 0.03s (0.008s)

Edited by tyker, 05 May 2024 - 00:12.

[tyker]

After Miami (Miami Difference)

 

01. Bottas 0.38s (0.361s)

02. Albon 0.35s (0.144s)

03. Hulkenberg 0.281s (0.236s)

04. Verstappen 0.276s (0.219s)

05. Tsunoda 0.23s (0.293s)

06. Alonso 0.22s (-0.25s)

07. Norris 0.12s (0.081s)

08. Ocon 0.11s (-0.233s)

09. Russell 0.05s (-0.37s)

10. Leclerc 0.04s (0.073s)

[tyker]

After Imola (Imola Difference)

 

01. Albon 0.348s (-)*

02. Bottas 0.347s (0.208s)

03.Verstappen 0.31s (0.53s)

04. Hulkenberg 0.28s (-)*

05. Tsunoda 0.24s (0.316s)

06. Alonso 0.13s (-0.459s)

07. Ocon 0.11s (0.109s)

08. Norris 0.104s (-0.017s)

09. Russell 0.096s (0.27s)

10. Leclerc 0.08s (0.263s)

 

*Sargeant didn't set a legal lap, Magnussen got impeded by Piastri.

Edited by tyker, 18 May 2024 - 20:55.

[tyker]

After Monaco (Monaco Difference)

 

01. Bottas 0.37s (0.516s)

02. Albon 0.36s (0.397s)

03. Verstappen 0.32s (0.349s)

04. Hulkenberg 0.28s (0.285s)

05. Tsunoda 0.26s (0.376s)

06. Leclerc 0.1s (0.248s)

07. Russell 0.082s (0.078s)

08. Norris 0.075s (-0.118s)

09. Alonso 0.074s (-0.291s)

10. Ocon 0.05s (-0.389s)

Edited by tyker, 25 May 2024 - 19:44.

[tyker]

After Canada (Canada Difference)

 

01. Bottas 0.44s (0.926s)

02. Verstappen 0.39s (0.966s)

03. Albon 0.34s (0.251s)

04. Tsunoda 0.22s (-0.125s)

05. Hulkenberg 0.13s (-0.761s)

06. Alonso 0.11s (0.431s)

07. Russell 0.1s (0.237s)

08. Leclerc 0.09s (0.037s)

09. Norris 0.08s (0.082s)

10. Ocon 0.03s (-0.046s)

Edited by tyker, 09 June 2024 - 13:24.

[Anderis]

I wonder what's happening to Zhou. By mid 2023 he was pretty much matching Bottas in qualifying and now he's so far behind again. I don't think I've ever seen such a big swing within one team mate pair?

[motorhead]

I wonder what's happening to Zhou. By mid 2023 he was pretty much matching Bottas in qualifying and now he's so far behind again. I don't think I've ever seen such a big swing within one team mate pair?

 

Yes, I was wondering that too. Bottas has always been good in qualifying, last year it really seemed that Zhou has taken a step forward. Now Zhou seems to be totally lost. Sauber is most is probably the worst car in the grid and Bottas can handle situation better. 

[tyker]

After Barcelona (Barcelona Difference)

 

01. Bottas 0.45s (0.511s)

02. Verstappen 0.41s (0.651s)

03. Albon 0.34s (0.346s)

04. Tsunoda 0.2s (0.09s)

05. Hulkenberg 0.14s (0.229s)

06. Alonso 0.13s (0.244s)

07. Russell 0.09s (-0.002s)

08. Leclerc 0.084s (0.005s)

09. Norris 0.083s (0.139s)

10. Ocon 0.01s (-0.252s)

[tyker]

After Austria (Austria Difference)

 

01. Verstappen 0.45s (0.83s)

02. Bottas 0.43s (0.214s)

03. Albon 0.32s (0.12s)

04. Tsunoda 0.17s (-0.123s)

05. Hulkenberg 0.14s (0.085s)

06. Alonso 0.13s (0.163s)

07. Norris 0.11s (0.33s)

08. Russell 0.09s (0.063s)

09. Leclerc 0.06s (-0.193s)

10. Ocon 0.02s (0.085s)

Edited by tyker, 29 June 2024 - 16:26.

[tyker]

After Silverstone (Silverstone Difference)

 

01. Verstappen 0.45s (-)*

02. Bottas 0.43s (-)*

03. Albon 0.31s (0.242s)

04. Tsunoda 0.17s (-)**

05. Hulkenberg 0.14s (-)*

06. Norris 0.114s (0.207s)

07. Alonso 0.107s (-0.145s)

08. Russell 0.09s (0.171s)

09. Leclerc 0.03s (-0.254s)

10. Ocon 0.02s (-)*

 

*Wet qualifying.

**Ricciardo impeded.

Edited by tyker, 06 July 2024 - 18:29.

[tyker]

After Hungary (Hungary Difference)

 

01. Verstappen 0.45s (-)*

02. Bottas 0.43s (-)*

03. Albon 0.29s (0.114s)

04. Tsunoda 0.17s (-)**

05. Hulkenberg 0.15s (0.231s)

06. Norris 0.11s (0.022s)

07. Alonso 0.1s (0.032s)

08. Russell 0.09s (-)*

09. Ocon 0.02s (-)*

10. Leclerc 0.01s (-0.195s)

*Damp track

**Tsunoda crashed preventing Ricciardo from beating his time.

[flyboym3]

Intermediate tyres never got used mate so same opportunity and conditions for everyone.

[tyker]

Intermediate tyres never got used mate so same opportunity and conditions for everyone.

The conditions were a bit to inconsistent.