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#551 maximilian

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Posted 06 September 2024 - 20:27

BRG, on 06 Sept 2024 - 13:15, said:

Is anyone going to Foster a new young driver?

 

Just another generic British driver that's not gonna move the needle one bit, in the fold of Jordan King or Ed Jones.  There are about 157 other drivers I'd like to see in IndyCar before him.  I mean, does anybody really miss Callum Ilott?  And why is Jack Harvey still there?



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#552 Disgrace

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Posted 06 September 2024 - 20:33

Foster's junior record is much better than any of those guys, I am pretty sure of that.



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Posted 06 September 2024 - 20:52

Top 3 in pretty much every car series he’s been in, 2 wins as a rookie on new US tracks and now a dominant champion this season with highest points total for years.

Its a pretty stellar record and deserving a seat, lazy comparisons based on nationality aside who are the 157 better drivers?

#554 loki

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Posted 06 September 2024 - 21:33

His point was there has been a long line of guys like Foster.  Good but for whatever reason didn’t move the needle.  It goes back to what was mentioned previously.  Not enough seats for all the butts coming up.  Which is a primary reason most of the US kids now go to circle track.  Plenty more opportunities to race for a living.  Even with theoretical grids of 26 and 27 (or even 33) in F1 and Indycar respectively that’s not a lot of opportunity.  Something needs to happen to make you stand out and these days it’s likely a big check to buy the seat not so much results and no money.



#555 maximilian

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Posted 06 September 2024 - 21:49

loki, on 06 Sept 2024 - 21:33, said:

His point was there has been a long line of guys like Foster.  Good but for whatever reason didn’t move the needle.  It goes back to what was mentioned previously.  Not enough seats for all the butts coming up.  Which is a primary reason most of the US kids now go to circle track.  Plenty more opportunities to race for a living.  Even with theoretical grids of 26 and 27 (or even 33) in F1 and Indycar respectively that’s not a lot of opportunity.  Something needs to happen to make you stand out and these days it’s likely a big check to buy the seat not so much results and no money.

 

Precisely this.  And in terms of adding interest to the series, Foster will do very little - also compared to how much more interesting for the general audience it would be if he were American with a stellar junior record.  He's affable enough and at least not a charisma vacuum like Ed Jones, but still just another ferrner.

 

And I didn't say 157 BETTER drivers, but 157 drivers I would RATHER SEE in IndyCar   ;)



#556 FLB

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Posted 06 September 2024 - 22:24

Schedule ideas. Oh boy, international races?

 

Nathan Brown sur X : "“(Recently) someone said, ‘They want us back at Watkins Glen.’ Instantly folks said, ‘That’s great!’ “No f*** way. We’ve gotta quit being what we’ve been.” Out: Returning to Richmond, The Glen In: Urban street races, a 3-race international series https://t.co/tm00tf3KP6" / X

 

IndyCar evaluating off-season international series | RACER


Edited by FLB, 06 September 2024 - 22:29.


#557 Afterburner

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Posted 06 September 2024 - 22:37

FLB, on 06 Sept 2024 - 22:24, said:

Concept = good, implementation = how?



#558 LolaB0860

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Posted 06 September 2024 - 23:49

IndyCar reveals Adelaide 500 talks
 
Miles said there is no chance that the series would look at an in-season race Down Under, for example, despite drivers pushing for it. “We’re not going to do it. What we are going to try and do is have some international events that we can tie together in the offseason,” he said. “I don’t think (the drivers) are worried about the economics. If someone wants to pay to go to Brazil, the logistical costs are $8 million, and then you either have a track, or you don’t. “I respect them, and I love their enthusiasm. I very much want (to have international races), but I don’t want to do that by creating Swiss cheese in our North American championship calendar.”
 
I have no idea what's he talking about

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#559 BRG

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Posted 07 September 2024 - 09:43

maximilian, on 06 Sept 2024 - 21:49, said:

Precisely this.  And in terms of adding interest to the series, Foster will do very little - also compared to how much more interesting for the general audience it would be if he were American with a stellar junior record.  He's affable enough and at least not a charisma vacuum like Ed Jones, but still just another ferrner.

 

And I didn't say 157 BETTER drivers, but 157 drivers I would RATHER SEE in IndyCar   ;)

What a sad piece of zenophobic nonsense.  No wonder Indycar remains mired as a US domestic series if that sort of attitude is prevalent.  Reminds me of when the IRL was mooted as a series for Americans and not all those pesky CART foreigners.



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#560 jonpollak

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Posted 07 September 2024 - 10:59

Except he’s Austrian.

lol.
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#561 BRG

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Posted 07 September 2024 - 11:44

How does that alter the general attitude that Foster needs to be American to matter?



#562 B Squared

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Posted 07 September 2024 - 12:07

BRG, general attitude that a driver needs to be American?

Perhaps you weren't at Indianapolis when Jim Clark was running there in the mid 60s, he was quite popular. As was Jack Brabham, Denny Hulme, Graham Hill, Nigel Mansell, Emerson Fittipaldi, Roberto Guerrero, Gil DeFerran, Teo Fabi, Arie Luyendyk, Tony Kannan, Helio Castroneves, Pato O'Ward.. should I go on?

I'll suggest that your anti-American rhetoric does not intersect with the reality of how foreign drivers have been embraced for many decades by the vast majority of the American motorsport public.

#563 Muppetmad

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Posted 07 September 2024 - 12:16

There are a lot of great drivers who won't be getting seats next year, unfortunately.



#564 BRG

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Posted 07 September 2024 - 16:31

B Squared, on 07 Sept 2024 - 12:07, said:

BRG, general attitude that a driver needs to be American?

Perhaps you weren't at Indianapolis when Jim Clark was running there in the mid 60s, he was quite popular. As was Jack Brabham, Denny Hulme, Graham Hill, Nigel Mansell, Emerson Fittipaldi, Roberto Guerrero, Gil DeFerran, Teo Fabi, Arie Luyendyk, Tony Kannan, Helio Castroneves, Pato O'Ward.. should I go on?

I'll suggest that your anti-American rhetoric does not intersect with the reality of how foreign drivers have been embraced for many decades by the vast majority of the American motorsport public.

Don't shoot the messenger.  It was maximilian who proposed that Foster shouldn't be considered as he would " do very little - also compared to how much more interesting for the general audience it would be if he were American with a stellar junior record.  He's affable enough and at least not a charisma vacuum like Ed Jones, but still just another ferrner."

 

It's the anti-the rest of the world rhetoric that I was calling out.  I am very well aware of how much and how many non-American drivers have contributed to US racing, although, no, I wasn't at Indianapolis when Jim Clark won.  Nor when Graham Hill won.



#565 HistoryFan

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Posted 07 September 2024 - 17:29

would be a nice thing.

It's not good to have 6 months without Racing.



#566 loki

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Posted 07 September 2024 - 17:56

BRG, on 07 Sept 2024 - 16:31, said:

Don't shoot the messenger.  It was maximilian who proposed that Foster shouldn't be considered as he would " do very little - also compared to how much more interesting for the general audience it would be if he were American with a stellar junior record.  He's affable enough and at least not a charisma vacuum like Ed Jones, but still just another ferrner."

 

It's the anti-the rest of the world rhetoric that I was calling out.  I am very well aware of how much and how many non-American drivers have contributed to US racing, although, no, I wasn't at Indianapolis when Jim Clark won.  Nor when Graham Hill won.

 

I’m sure there is a reasonable explanation…

 



#567 Jim Thurman

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Posted 07 September 2024 - 17:57

BRG, on 07 Sept 2024 - 16:31, said:

Don't shoot the messenger.  It was maximilian who proposed that Foster shouldn't be considered as he would " do very little - also compared to how much more interesting for the general audience it would be if he were American with a stellar junior record.  He's affable enough and at least not a charisma vacuum like Ed Jones, but still just another ferrner."

 

It's the anti-the rest of the world rhetoric that I was calling out.  I am very well aware of how much and how many non-American drivers have contributed to US racing, although, no, I wasn't at Indianapolis when Jim Clark won.  Nor when Graham Hill won.

But, we can shoot the message  ;)  Yes, and the upset, as usual here, was over Max's remark about a British driver. This got knickers twisted in a way that it would not have if the driver was American, an Austrian named Friedrich or a Mexican named Luis. So, it's still pro-Britishism and a perception about an American having an "anti-the rest of the world rhetoric" and that an American posted something anti-British, which is incorrect, since Max is Austrian.  

 

Hi Max  :wave:


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Posted 07 September 2024 - 18:05

I'm confused.

But you've got to be something pretty special, and I don't necessarily mean in the cockpit, to stand out in US sports media.

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Posted 07 September 2024 - 18:14

Jim Thurman, on 07 Sept 2024 - 17:57, said:

But, we can shoot the message  ;)  

And the message was "just another ferner".

 

The boy, and yes he is a Brit and I make absolutely NO apology for taking an interest in him, thank you, has just won the Indycar support series.  But is dismissed by someone who I now learn is Austrian (who TF knew that???) as an irrelevant foreigner who will not interest the great American audience.  So we seem to have a cosmopolitan sh*tstorm.



#570 Jim Thurman

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Posted 07 September 2024 - 18:47

There is a lot to unpack here. A lot  :lol:  (which would, hopefully have a positive impact) But, it will have to wait until tomorrow. My habit is to post to message boards while finishing up my coffee, then getting on with my day, errands, activities, etc. 



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Posted 07 September 2024 - 21:10

BRG, on 06 Sept 2024 - 13:15, said:

Is anyone going to Foster a new young driver?

From the man himself: Indy NXT champ Foster ‘waiting and seeing’ for IndyCar options | RACER



#572 jonpollak

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Posted 07 September 2024 - 22:48

BRG, on 07 Sept 2024 - 11:44, said:

How does that alter the general attitude that Foster needs to be American to matter?


No no I was being funny.
Or so I thought.
Jp

#573 loki

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Posted 08 September 2024 - 04:55

I think plenty of us got it. And enjoyed it.



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Posted 08 September 2024 - 09:30

jonpollak, on 07 Sept 2024 - 22:48, said:

No no I was being funny.
Or so I thought.
Jp

 

Hi Dad!  :wave:



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Posted 08 September 2024 - 10:02

And proud of it.
My youngest son has just released his television directorial debut during the Paralympic games for Channel4. As a matter of fact there is an encore showing today at 12:10

( it’s also on VOD )
https://watch.togeth...42546-1_DA0EA3b

@ALTjay_film

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#576 jcbc3

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Posted 08 September 2024 - 10:22

Amazing. Thanks jp (or rather Stefan).



#577 BRG

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Posted 08 September 2024 - 19:01

jonpollak, on 07 Sept 2024 - 22:48, said:

No no I was being funny.
Or so I thought.
Jp

I was just confused.  It happens more and more often these days.

 

But congrats to your son on his success.  



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Posted 08 September 2024 - 20:02

Frood, on 06 Sept 2024 - 10:51, said:

Twitter rumours this morning are saying that HyVee might be willing to cover Rossi's salary in the #45. Same rumours also suggest that Fittipaldi is out of the #30, to be replaced by... St. Ingray.


From a pure driver perspective I don't really think there is much between Sting Ray and Fittipaldi, so sure, take Sting Ray's presumably larger check.

Rossi to Rahal seems quite logical to me. Rossi also used to be very tight with Honda, so MAYBE there are still som strings to pull there as well.

Is there anyone else that Rahal SHOULD try to sign instead? I guess Veekay would be a valid alternative, but otherwise it's sort of like Lundquist or Porchaire kind of drivers that are the options?

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Posted 08 September 2024 - 20:13

Lennat, on 08 Sept 2024 - 20:02, said:

Is there anyone else that Rahal SHOULD try to sign instead?

 

 

Potentially controversial opinion: Santino Ferrucci, if Foyt can't keep him for budgetary reasons. I think Ferrucci could help RLL raise their oval game.


Edited by FLB, 08 September 2024 - 20:16.


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#580 Lennat

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Posted 08 September 2024 - 20:22

FLB, on 08 Sept 2024 - 20:13, said:

Potentially controversial opinion: Santino Ferrucci, if Foyt can't keep him for budgetary reasons. I think Ferrucci could help RLL raise their oval game.

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Didn't think of that one, but actually you've got a point. He has driven very well the last few years.

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Posted 08 September 2024 - 20:51

But for that alone you could kill two birds with one stone; Veekay has performed not bad on ovals (particularly on Indy) and has won on a road course. So why hire two drivers to fill one seat if one driver could do it just as well?



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Posted 09 September 2024 - 11:31

Ok, I have not been following Indy Lights or NXT. But I remember last year that there was a big hype about a driver called Myles Rowe. What happened to him?  



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Posted 09 September 2024 - 11:42

JG, on 09 Sept 2024 - 11:31, said:

Ok, I have not been following Indy Lights or NXT. But I remember last year that there was a big hype about a driver called Myles Rowe. What happened to him?

Myles had a very good season in USF Pro 2000 in 2023, and he started the year strongly in NXT with a couple of top 5 finishes in the first 5 races. After the first Laguna Seca race, he was 4th in the standings.

Since then he's had a terrible run of form and slumped to 11th. He's had some bad luck, but has also let some silly errors creep into his driving. Across the three race run of Mid-Ohio - Iowa - Gateway he only completed 20 laps total, which killed any momentum he had. I think he deserves - and needs - a second season to show whether he truly has the pace needed.

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Posted 09 September 2024 - 12:32

I hope he gets that second season.  People often forget that talent will develop at different rates, and some drivers need more time than others to put together all the tools they need as professionals.  Plus, we don't know what might be going on away from the track which might have affected things.  A second season where he could apply what he's learned so far and get practice at doing all the things he'd need to do for a proper title challenge would be a good idea.  See what growth develops, and then evaluate once you've had a very good look with more data.



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Posted 09 September 2024 - 12:35

FLB, on 08 Sept 2024 - 20:13, said:

Potentially controversial opinion: Santino Ferrucci, if Foyt can't keep him for budgetary reasons. I think Ferrucci could help RLL raise their oval game.

He could.  I think though, that with the recent results he's been having, if Foyt are properly selling themselves and him to partners, they might actually be able to field Malukas and Ferrucci together.  And while I might not like the kid personally, he definitely has put the work in to deserve that, and it would be a good team for Foyt.  Plus, with the charters coming in, and a second year of Penske equipment and engineering help, they could definitely be a regular top-10 threat with both cars.  And that's not a story which would be a bad one to tell in year one of the Fox deal.  



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Posted 09 September 2024 - 13:12

I just thought about something - if Malukas is employed by Penske and loaned to Foyt as MP said, could this mean they'll cover at least part of the budget for his car? (thus making the second car less reliant on paydrivers)


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#587 juicy sushi

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Posted 09 September 2024 - 14:13

It's possible.  Some drivers are also paid via the engine manufacturers, rather than the teams, so this could be something that could also help, as we know that Chevy do pay teams money if they have strong driving talent.



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Posted 09 September 2024 - 17:19

Oh no, I kicked up a shitstorm?  :lol:   Not even worth it, over a generic British driver  :wave:



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Posted 09 September 2024 - 17:25

Confirmation that Foyt are very much aiming for Dave and Santino in 2025.  Also, in a sign that Larry is now very much calling the shots, the team is willing to leave Texas to become Indy exclusive:  https://racer.com/20...iring-for-2025/


Edited by juicy sushi, 09 September 2024 - 17:25.


#590 maximilian

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Posted 09 September 2024 - 18:19

juicy sushi, on 09 Sept 2024 - 17:25, said:

Confirmation that Foyt are very much aiming for Dave and Santino in 2025.  Also, in a sign that Larry is now very much calling the shots, the team is willing to leave Texas to become Indy exclusive:  https://racer.com/20...iring-for-2025/

 

That should help things along further.  No doubt splitting operations slowed them down all this time.

 

Wonder whether that was Larry's doing, or could it be that the Penske alliance has something to do with this shift in thinking?



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Posted 09 September 2024 - 18:20

maximilian, on 09 Sept 2024 - 17:19, said:

Oh no, I kicked up a shitstorm? :lol: Not even worth it, over a generic British driver :wave:


At least our most recent IndyCar drivers have been better than René Binder. :p

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Posted 09 September 2024 - 19:02

Schüsse abgefeuert !!!

I’m hopeful that Lil Dave and Santucci will be the pairing as the dynamic is mouthwatering.

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Posted 09 September 2024 - 20:07

Anja, on 09 Sept 2024 - 13:12, said:

I just thought about something - if Malukas is employed by Penske and loaned to Foyt as MP said, could this mean they'll cover at least part of the budget for his car? (thus making the second car less reliant on paydrivers)

I would hope so.  More generally, both Penske and Foyt have a shared interest in maximizing the results of their collaboration, which, at Indy at least, appears to be more of a two-way street than perhaps was generally assumed.  In such a case, getting value from all the input means Ferrucci is infinitely more valuable than Robb.



#594 maximilian

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Posted 09 September 2024 - 21:37

Frood, on 09 Sept 2024 - 18:20, said:

At least our most recent IndyCar drivers have been better than René Binder. :p

 

Nobody in their right mind would claim that Rene Binder was ANY good!  :lol:   Couldn't concur more.  It was fun having him in the series, though  :stoned:



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Posted 09 September 2024 - 21:52

It's was low hanging fruit...

 

Binderholtz made the front cover right?

2019 Indy 500???

 

or did I dream it?

Jp



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Posted 10 September 2024 - 10:20

Damnit I should have said low hanging Frood.

(Sorry for the mirthful abuse there Frood)

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#597 Frood

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Posted 10 September 2024 - 11:38

Nah it's fine, it was a cheap shot at Max anyway :lol:

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Posted 10 September 2024 - 12:42



Arrow McLaren tweeted this. Looks like Larson might be returning to Indy 500 next year?



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Posted 10 September 2024 - 18:22

Rene Binder.  The Francesco Dracone of Dr Jack Millers…



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Posted 10 September 2024 - 19:01

Looks like Sky F1 will continue its coverage of Indycar in 2025.
Jp