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[HistoryFan]

Ferrrai is red in Fornula 1.

 

But not always. There were some private entered cars which were blue, green or yellow.

 

Has someone  a list of all not red Ferrrari cars entered in Formula 1 races?

 

Vanwall had some green Ferrari Vanwall Specials in 1951

 

Ecurie Rosier did some races in blue Ferraris from 1952 to 1954.

 

Ecurie Francorchamps had some yellow Ferraris from 1952 to 1954.

 

And then of course there were the NART entered Ferraris in 1959 and 1964 with american blue-white. Bob Bondurant 1965 was entered in a red Ferrari but with blue-white stripes.

 

Olivier Gendebien was entered in a yellow Ferrari in 1961 (and 1958 as well) but I don't know why as it was a works Ferrari entered car.

 

What about Rudi Fischer and Ecurie Espadon? Had he a white front as it was the Swiss racing colour back then (1951/1952)

 

And why were the private entered Ferraris from Peter Whitehead and Chico Landi in 1950/1951 red?

 

Any more not red Ferrari cars in F1?

[Michael Ferner]

Don't forget the pink Ferrari with green stars entered by Écurie Érotique in the sixties!

[Ray Bell]

Green on the Thinwall Special...

[ReWind]

Vanwall had some green Ferrari Vanwall Specials in 1951

It's useless. He'll never learn.

[Parkesi]

https://www.motorspo...nt-race-in-red/

[HistoryFan]

Not forgetting Innes Ireland out, just the one time,  in a 156 in Rob Walker blue at Silverstone, in the car provided specifically  by Ferrari for Moss to race. That whole arrangement was a quite remarkable arrangement and could have led to a very interesting season, other circumstances notwithstanding.

Roger Lund

 

it was in 1962 and it was the International Trophy, a non-championship F1 race. Entered ny BRP (UDT Laystall)

[HistoryFan]

Here is a similar topic:

 

https://forums.autos...errari-gp-cars/

[bradbury west]

Many thanks for your correction, Roger. The only photograph I have seen of the Ireland/156 is a grainy black and white shot , full frontal from a low camera position with the car with clean air below the lifted inside front wheel. My understanding and memory appear to be at fault. A quick google images search shows a remarkable tally of better colour-livery-explanatory shots . As I have always supported Colonel  Capps’ intention that this should be a repository for factual information I have deleted my erroneous faulty memory driven post, lest it confuses others, and am now about to retreat back into my dark cave.

Roger Lund

[Sterzo]

To those with doubts about the value of such a topic, it can be a help to model makers. One area of mystery (to me) is when González ran in Argentine colours, and whether (on each occasion) it was the nose or the bonnet finished in yellow.

[KWSN - DSM]

https://www.motorspo...nt-race-in-red/

 

What a marvelous picture, what a marvelous car!!1

 

[Teapot]

I don't know if it counts, but there was the black nose livery that Ferrari ran at Monza 2001 in the aftermath of the 9/11 tragedy.

 

Off topic: I have been a member of this forum since 2004, I am a proud holder of the TNF badge and I have never found this forum to be less welcoming than it is today (wether one is trying to offer new knowledge or just to open a thread just for the sake of discussion).

[FlyingSaucer]

To those with doubts about the value of such a topic, it can be a help to model makers. One area of mystery (to me) is when González ran in Argentine colours, and whether (on each occasion) it was the nose or the bonnet finished in yellow.

 

It was the bonnet that was painted yellow. If you want to have a clear idea of the scheme, you can check this: https://jenikirbyhis...ico-1647-de996e. And I can guarantee you that the real paintscheme is the same of the picture/drawing of this El Grafico mag, because I saw this car - a Ferrari 166 - a few months ago in Argentina.

 

Most of the times that Froilan Gonzalez used the yellow and blue car were in races in Argentina/Brazil/Chile/Uruguay, especially in the Argentine Temporadas of the early 1950s (and the offical F1 Argentine GPs). The confusion is that most of the entries in these events were credited to Ferrari - while, in fact, they were made by the Automovil Club Argentino (A.C.A.) with support from Ferrari - and this only happened after Gonzalez and Fangio began to stand out against their rivals (between 1949/50/51), winning races against Parnell, Bira, Ascari, Villoresi, etc.

Edited by FlyingSaucer, 24 April 2024 - 13:58.

[D28]

 

 

And then of course there were the NART entered Ferraris in 1959 and 1964 with american blue-white. Bob Bondurant 1965 was entered in a red Ferrari but with blue-white stripes.

 

 

 

The cars for USGP 1959 were entered by the factory, not NART, Images for Brooks show a conventional red livery.

 

NART entered a car for the N American GPs in 1969, red with NART lettering on the side for Rodriguez.

Edited by D28, 24 April 2024 - 15:16.

[KWSN - DSM]

Don't forget the pink Ferrari with green stars entered by Écurie Érotique in the sixties!

 

Pictures?

[Gabrci]

While it was mainly red, Kurt Adolff contested the 1953 German Grand Prix with a long white triangle on the nose of his Ferrari. 

[Roger Clark]

https://www.motorspo...nt-race-in-red/

I think it would be much shorter to say what is right with that article than what is wrong.

[Sterzo]

It was the bonnet that was painted yellow. If you want to have a clear idea of the scheme, you can check this: https://jenikirbyhis...ico-1647-de996e. And I can guarantee you that the real paintscheme is the same of the picture/drawing of this El Grafico mag, because I saw this car - a Ferrari 166 - a few months ago in Argentina.

Ah yes - a fabulous painting. A yellow bonnet is consistent with the black and white pictures in "The Argentine Temporada Motor Races". They show González in a 625 in 1954 (page 49, not absolutely certain) and 1955 (page 66 - much clearer but also showing a vestigial nose marking which is probably yellow).

 

I shall have to accept that the blue-bodied but yellow-nosed Dinky Toy Ferrari 625, which introduced me to racing cars in the mid fifties, was probably wrong. I'm expecting any minute to hear Father Christmas isn't real.

[Red Socks]

What a marvelous picture, what a marvelous car!!1

 

Yes, Lancias were rather special weren't they ?

[D-Type]

Was it ever established whether Mike Hawthorn drove a green Ferrari in Argentina in 1953? 

[Arjan de Roos]

Borderline: Herman Roosdorp (NL) started in the 1950 German Grand Prix with his 166 MM (0014). He had painted his MM orange, although he resided in Antwerp, as he raced with his Dutch license. Non WDC I know. Not F1 I know. Not a GP car I know. Just....   

 

[Dreaming of the 2029 Dutch GP where SF may field one orange SF-29 for...]

[Roger Clark]

Was it ever established whether Mike Hawthorn drove a green Ferrari in Argentina in 1953? 

I haven't seen a colour photograph but there are contemporary eye-witness reports and several black and white photos showing a different shade from the other works Ferraris.

[cooper997]

Not all Ferraris have been pampered all their life.

 

28/7/90 Christies offered lot 81 bones of chas 011-F ex Fangio/ Campos/ Gonzales

 

borrowed from the catalogue

 

 

Stephen

[Tim Murray]

Here’s a very old thread discussing Hawthorn, green Ferraris and other colour changes:

Hawthorn’s green Ferrari

[d j fox]

Tongue in cheek but it looks as though the Colonel’s Ferraris are back! Miami effwun race both Ferraris are carrying what looks like Cambridge blue stripes and wheels
Maranello Concessionaires returns?

Edited by d j fox, 03 May 2024 - 19:24.

[Doug Nye]

Indeed Ferrari Formula 1 cars quite commonly ran red and powder-blue during the 1964-65 seasons.  Nothing to do with an American sponsor then - just very tasteful and pretty - and, far more significantly, derived from the colour on the Modena city coat of arms...

 

 

DCN

Edited by Doug Nye, 03 May 2024 - 20:21.

[Sterzo]

^ Google translate tells me the motto means "Pervious Avia." I might stop feeding the birds.