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[Derwent Motorsport]

Does anyone know if there is live streaming?

[d j fox]

Apparently Goodwood is to carry a live stream and MAV tv in the USA the same…

[F1matt]

There is a link on Racing Comments to the live feeds. 

[Lee Nicolle]

I have been watching it on You Tube,, Goodwood feed.

Been interesting but bloody hell a car breaks down and yellow flagged. Or an oil down that should take 5 min to tidy up that took 20. The pre 61 cars should be a good race.

[Gary C]

Yes, am watching their livrstream.

[Lee Nicolle]

The late 70s cars were good to watch,, cars look like racing cars, sound like racing cars and move around on theirsuspension and are loose off of corners. Unlike the modern mad boffins nightmare Caddilac sized cars. These old cars fitted on the track and could pass.Unlike the current slotcar golf buggys!!

[JacnGille]

Apparently Goodwood is to carry a live stream and MAV tv in the USA the same…

I watched on MAVTV this morning. I wasn't impressed with some the commentating. One instance there was a car in the tire wall at T1 with a mangled left front The camera cut to another car off at what clearly wasn't T1 ( probably the chicane after the tunnel). The announcers wondered if it was the same incident. Another time, during the Senna Tribute parade, there was a big cloud of smoke at the entrance to the tunnel and marshals waving yellow flags. The announcers kept asking where the Toleman was. I'm pretty sure it was the cause of the smoke and waving yellows at the tunnel.

[charles r]

Who are the commentators on the Goodwood stream? Bob Constanduros (good) but the other one (?) really not so good...

Edited by charles r, 12 May 2024 - 11:04.

[Lee Nicolle]

Another shambles. Rece start crash,, first run under yellow for 2 laps then red flag which should have happed originally and restart. now they are farting around polishing the track where minimal coolant was dropped. Gave up and went to bed!

[2F-001]

Who are the commentators on the Goodwood stream? Bob Constanduros (good) but the other one (?) really not so good...

 

If it's the same feed that I've been watching, it's Andrew Marriott.

[P.Dron]

Yesterday ARM committed the "front nose" crime. He has done it again today.

 

And Constant-Dormouse keeps saying "normally aspirated". Naturally.

Edited by P.Dron, 12 May 2024 - 15:41.

[E1pix]

Relative to all the money on that grid, worst race broadcast of all time.

It seems the producers think people care about a race between unknown drivers more than seeing and learning about a field of great cars I actually want to see. And what’s up with either no sound, or a static recorder?

Tragic.

[70JesperOH]

 

Final race of the day, with Andrew Marriott and A. Nother - no complaints so far over commentaries during an intermittend weekend of watching.

 

Jesper

[P.Dron]

Major Tom to Race Control: "Are you drunk or stoned?"

[Doug Nye]

In the commentary - not having seen any of the coverage - did my favourite detestation, "the number 61" or "the number 75" or "the number whatever", disfigure the verbiage?

 

DCN

[P.Dron]

In the commentary - not having seen any of the coverage - did my favourite detestation, "the number 61" or "the number 75" or "the number whatever", disfigure the verbiage?

 

DCN

 

You should have watched Race F - F1 Grand Prix cars 3L (1977 – 1980). But you might have fallen off the perch laughing, while frequently boiling the kettle for tea.

Edited by P.Dron, 12 May 2024 - 19:28.

[JonnyA]

Someone among the organisers really needs to tell all the 50-ish owner/drivers that they really should stick to just owning.

[JacnGille]

Someone among the organisers really needs to tell all the 50-ish owner/drivers that they really should stick to just owning.

Lots ignoring blue flags and failing to remember that they have rear view mirrors.

[john aston]

Relative to all the money on that grid, worst race broadcast of all time.

It seems the producers think people care about a race between unknown drivers more than seeing and learning about a field of great cars I actually want to see. And what’s up with either no sound, or a static recorder?

Tragic.

You've  nailed a point which applies to almost all historic  racing . I don't care who wins , I rarely care who is driving , but I care a lot about watching and listening to the cars. The commentary at Monaco, and almost everywhere else , mistakenly overloads me with spurious noise about the ...ahem ..."battle " for second place, sorry "P2 " when I really don't give a *** about who is catching whom or whether  "the number 47 car's sector time has gone purple ". 

 

I don't mind if some owners  aren't great drivers - I'd rather see  a 312T being ragged senseless by Alesi , but if its dotcom billionaire wants to drive. then good for him (as it usually is) . 

 

It also follows that we need , ideally , one conventional race commentator for those who care about who is winning but also the expert who can tell us about the car's history , spec and so on . 

[sabrejet]

Fully agree with lots that has been said here: commentary should be informed and unobtrusive. It's often inane babble and doesn't add anything I can't see for myself. 

 

I watched some lovely hill climb commentary from Harewood yesterday - lots of, "when I spoke to xxx in the paddock, they told me xxx about their car" and similar nuggets of gleaned information that added to each run. But I guess that takes effort.

[dwh43scale]

 

I watched some lovely hill climb commentary from Harewood yesterday - lots of, "when I spoke to xxx in the paddock, they told me xxx about their car" and similar nuggets of gleaned information that added to each run. But I guess that takes effort.

 

You obviously caught the better bits ...

[Catalina Park]

I quite liked the historical accuracy of the Osella getting in everyone's way.

[Roryswood]

Would agree on Monaco coverage very poor , Andrew praising Bob for his reporting in the past , very sparse info , presumably no information provided by the organisers to be used to fill gaps , maybe AI will be used to give commentary in future years

[john aston]

Fully agree with lots that has been said here: commentary should be informed and unobtrusive. It's often inane babble and doesn't add anything I can't see for myself. 

 

I watched some lovely hill climb commentary from Harewood yesterday - lots of, "when I spoke to xxx in the paddock, they told me xxx about their car" and similar nuggets of gleaned information that added to each run. But I guess that takes effort.

I was at Harewood - shockingly it is 56 years since my first visit . Steve Wilkinson's commentary  is informed and excellent but the chap who joined him sounded like a reject from hospital radio . His lack of knowledge of speed hillclimbing was as excruciating as his "humorous" asides.

[dwh43scale]

I was at Harewood - shockingly it is 56 years since my first visit . Steve Wilkinson's commentary  is informed and excellent but the chap who joined him sounded like a reject from hospital radio . His lack of knowledge of speed hillclimbing was as excruciating as his "humorous" asides.

"The chap who joined him" has been a regular on the PA at Midlands hillclimb venues in recent times ...

[Barry Boor]

A few observations from someone who was actually there….

 

I would estimate that there were about 1000 people in the Casino Square grandstand.  There were 5 toilet cubicles, which coped pretty well, but, there was ABSOLUTELY NO FOOD OR DRINK AVAILABLE nearby.  We had to walk some distance to find a small café type place selling drinks and baguettes.  This was very poor.  It was a hot day and we struggled, despite taking some drink with us.

 

The racing was pretty good but there were far too many amateur drivers for whom a 3 litre DFV powered car was just too much.  If they don’t do something about it, there will be serious accident eventually.

 

The 3 litre cars have taken over now.  No more F.3 or Formula Junior and I think that’s very sad.  My friend says they are catering to the masses and I guess she’s right.

 

it looked to me that the Tabac - Swimming Pool grandstand was not as full as it used to be.  I wonder if the newish control tower, which blocks the view to the right, has any bearing on that.

 

Finally…. A MARCH won a race! Unbelievable.

 

 

[Adrian Beese]

I think we are all singing from the same hymn sheet, disappointed with ARM, perhaps he is getting old like the rest of us, I guess

[Thundersports]

Like Barry I was there for the 3 days.

 

Did the Casino Square stand on Saturday and as Barry said there was nowhere to purchase food or drink, luckily I know of a little Cafe round the corner but it was still poor. The stand itself is different from the one used on my last visit in 2018 and is higher which means 99% of the seats don't have a view down to Mirabeau now. 

 

The security is much tighter than it was before with some of the staff being overzealous.

 

The Paddock is now open to the Public which has created overcrowding in there and a pain for the teams getting the cars out to the queue for the Circuit. I can see this being reversed.

 

We had 3 different languages commentating where it was just 2 the Italians now added so we heard less of Ian Titchmarsh sadly.

 

All in all still a great event though.

[ReWind]

An illustrated Dutch report (3 pages)

by Mattijs Diepraam;

for instance

[ReWind]

And another - comprehensive - one from the same author and two others.
Link

[Nemo1965]

An illustrated Dutch report (3 pages)

by Mattijs Diepraam;

for instance

 

I am confused. How can we read the sign that there 100 meters to go to the next corner when the car is driving towards us? BTW: Great that compatriot Mattijs is still going strong.

Edited by Nemo1965, 17 May 2024 - 06:53.

[ensign14]

I would estimate that there were about 1000 people in the Casino Square grandstand.  There were 5 toilet cubicles, which coped pretty well, but, there was ABSOLUTELY NO FOOD OR DRINK AVAILABLE nearby.

 

Has the Casino Supermarché closed? That was good for sandwiches and Doritos.

[Thundersports]

Has the Casino Supermarché closed? That was good for sandwiches and Doritos.

It's still there as is the one on the start finish straight.

[F1matt]

It's still there as is the one on the start finish straight.

 

 

I have always enjoyed their pizza slices. 

[marksixman]

I am confused. How can we read the sign that there 100 meters to go to the next corner when the car is driving towards us? BTW: Great that compatriot Mattijs is still going strong.

I suspect you will find the sign is double-sided, for the benefit of the cameras !

[LittleChris]

Similar thing came up and was commented on by Heuwen and Parish during last weekends coverage of the NW200 on BBC. It's for the benefit of people watching rather than the racers though I've never understood why they have distance signs for the competitors and would love to be enlightened.

[Nemo1965]

Similar thing came up and was commented on by Heuwen and Parish during last weekends coverage of the NW200 on BBC. It's for the benefit of people watching rather than the racers though I've never understood why they have distance signs for the competitors and would love to be enlightened.

 

Eh... braking points?

[LittleChris]

Why do they need signs to tell them where to brake ? Surely a driver or rider determines their own braking points which change depending on what you're driving or riding anyway.

[Nemo1965]

Yes, but it is nice to have marker boards as reference. Take Rivazza at Imola. In the sim I brake somewhere between the 100 and the 50 meters board. So 75 meters or so? At Albert Park the braking is difficult at corner 3 because the markerboards are always in the shadows, one board even throws a shadow on the next one on certain days. Actual F1 drivers complain about that.

Edited by Nemo1965, 18 May 2024 - 10:51.

[LittleChris]

So if they got rid of the boards and in the absence of anything else as a braking reference on most modern circuits  ( eg  a tree or house ) perhaps there would be more overtaking and less reason for DRS  

[ensign14]

Klemantaski told the story of how Roy Salvadori was cornering more and more spectacularly at a corner where he was snapping, so he moved closer to the apex to get the perfect picture.  Next time Salvadori comes around, he brakes far too late, goes hurtling off, car wrecked, Salvadori emerging unharmed.

 

But angry.

 

"Why the bloody hell did you move?  You were my braking point."

[Sterzo]

Similar thing came up and was commented on by Heuwen and Parish during last weekends coverage of the NW200 on BBC. It's for the benefit of people watching rather than the racers though I've never understood why they have distance signs for the competitors and would love to be enlightened.

I always thought it hilarious when they were combined with a diagram of the corner shape.

[Tim Murray]

Klemantaski told the story of how Roy Salvadori was cornering more and more spectacularly at a corner where he was snapping, so he moved closer to the apex to get the perfect picture. Next time Salvadori comes around, he brakes far too late, goes hurtling off, car wrecked, Salvadori emerging unharmed.

But angry.

"Why the bloody hell did you move? You were my braking point."

Reminds me of the story of Stuart Lewis-Evans, his wife and a painted stone, as told by Graham Gauld:

However my favourite story of [Stuart] is that his wife was always with him at race meetings and occasionally she would wander out on to the circuit during practice for the 500cc Formula 3 races then a stone would appear beside the track with a spot of white paint. Apparently Stuart would nod to his wife when he reached his braking point and she would place the stone. Eventually Ivor Bueb and some of the other racers twigged what was going on and so one of them went out after practice and moved the stone about 15 yards back from where it had been placed. In the Race Stuart braked at the stone and everyone swept past him. Foiled.

As Doug says, a truly nice guy but very determined racing driver.

[Ray Bell]

I'm surprised that LittleChris ever had to start this line of questioning...

 

It's something I learned about at the very first race meeting I attended, though I can understand a little better if you were only watching on television.

 

As for the 'need' for the braking signs, at the very least they provide a starting point and, as such, would be a necessity for someone new on the circuit. They also provide a clear marker for discussion between the driver and his team or team mate. Much easier to comment on than something like, "The window with the blue towel on the sill," or something similar.

[arttidesco]

The late 70s cars were good to watch,, cars look like racing cars, sound like racing cars and move around on theirsuspension and are loose off of corners. Unlike the modern mad boffins nightmare Caddilac sized cars. These old cars fitted on the track and could pass.Unlike the current slotcar golf buggys!!

 

 

Wasn't it Nelson Piquet back in the day, circa 1980, when he was trying to beat Jonsey who said something like 'driving these cars around Monaco is like trying to fly a model aeroplane around my bedroom ?'

 

Plus ca change 

[chr1s]

 

Wasn't it Nelson Piquet back in the day, circa 1980, when he was trying to beat Jonsey who said something like 'driving these cars around Monaco is like trying to fly a model aeroplane around my bedroom ?'

 

Plus ca change 

 

I think he said It was like trying to ride a bicycle round your bedroom!

Edited by chr1s, 18 May 2024 - 18:34.

[arttidesco]

I think he said It was like trying to ride a bicycle round your bedroom!

 

Ah those likkle grey cells 

[marksixman]

They also provide a clear marker for discussion between the driver and his team or team mate. Much easier to comment on than something like, "The window with the blue towel on the sill," or something similar.

Much much better than "the black and white cow" towards the end of the Mulsanne then !!!

[LittleChris]

I'm surprised that LittleChris ever had to start this line of questioning...

 

It's something I learned about at the very first race meeting I attended, though I can understand a little better if you were only watching on television.

 

As for the 'need' for the braking signs, at the very least they provide a starting point and, as such, would be a necessity for someone new on the circuit. They also provide a clear marker for discussion between the driver and his team or team mate. Much easier to comment on than something like, "The window with the blue towel on the sill," or something similar.

 

I'd be interested to know when & where these signs first appeared ( and also DSJ's thought's on them !) .

 

I'll be in the Isle Of Man during July for the Southern 100 on the Billown Circuit and the riders there don't seem to need to be told the distance to the next corner nor on the Mountain circuit for that matter.   

 

As regards discussion between team mates, when did any driver/ rider ever truthfully pass on information to his closest rival  ?  Regarding the team, then the GPS / telemetry  these days lets them know exactly when and where the driver starts braking.

 

So to sum up, I still don't see the point of them ! 

[Ray Bell]

I'm very sure they've been around for some time, Chris...

 

They were certainly there, as mentioned, at the first race meeting I attended. That was October 14, 1962, and I'm sure they were there from the moment the Warwick Farm circuit opened. That circuit was built under the watchful eye of Geoff Sykes, a long-time BARC man, so it was no doubt a continuation of what he'd overseen (or was used to) in England in the fifties.

 

So let's just say seventy years or more...