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#1 FirstnameLastname

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 12:31

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If F1 were to hold a similar round to celebrate a milestone in the championship - what could/should be each teams best/most iconic livery?

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#2 le chat noir

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 12:58

RBR - white with tartan

Ferrari - no HP, keep it scarlet, yellow front wing, white back wing

McLaren - red and white

Mercedes - blue and white

Aston - Gold - not yellow, not green and blue, gold
Williams - Blue, white, gold and red stripes
RB - black and white
Sauber - mashup current mercedes and red bull - RBR with Petronas
Alpine - light blue and green
Haas - Rich Energy!


#3 DW46

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 12:59

Ferrari - F175
Mercedes - W11
McLaren - MP4-15
Williams - FW18
Aston Martin - EJ198
Alpine - RS6
Red Bull - That camo livery they ran in 2015 testing.
Minardi -
Sauber - C12
Haas - the 2021 Russian flag one for the giggles.

#4 H0R

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 13:23

Ferrari - NART
Mercedes - W196
McLaren - Yardley
Williams - Rothmans
Aston Martin - Jordan 1998
Alpine - Renault 1979
Red Bull - Stewart 1999
CashGrab - Minardi 1995
Alfa Romeo - Sauber 1994
Haas - lolwut? RichEnergy

Edited by H0R, 14 May 2024 - 13:24.


#5 PayasYouRace

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 13:30

Best or most iconic can be very subjective anyway, but given what some of the teams have run recently and what would create a bit of extra variety, I’d have the following for year one:

Ferrari: Stop being cowards and give us the full NART blue and white treatment remembering the 1964 American races.

McLaren: let’s go back to the very start and have the “Yamura” white with a green stripe. We’ve seen a lot of papaya and “Marlboro” tributes lately.

Williams: Yellow over dark blue over white. Williams have already thrown back to Rothmans. Let’s throw back to Canon.

Mercedes: Not enough variety under the Mercedes name. Let’s go classic Tyrrell. Overall French blue with white sponsors.

Alpine: A team with double heritage, I’d like to start with bold green, yellow, red and blue like a late 80s Benetton.

Toro Rosso: Very dark blue, yellow sidepods.

Aston Martin: Yellow and black, with a snake nose and long red tongue.

Sauber: All black, with white wings.

Red Bull: Overall white with stripes in the Stewart tartan.

HAAS: Lacking any real heritage, let’s go with the traditional US racing colours and look a bit like an AAR Eagle in blue and white.

#6 AncientLurker

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 14:21

Base team colour.

No logos or sponsors.

Simple number on nose and side.

Driver name on cockpit sides.

Racing stripe(s) to taste.



#7 Cornholio

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 14:34

Subjective as hell but I'll give it my best shot, I feel less strongly about some than others though. In no particular order:

 

Ferrari: 1983-92

Williams: 1985-93

McLaren: Sorry for being obvious but yeah, Marlboro

Toro Rosso: Minardi 1985-88; 1991-92

Aston: Plain BRG I guess (or if going by the team continuation, I guess a toss up between the 191 or one of the 1997-1999 B&H cars)

Alpine: Renault 1979-85 (or some sort of Mild Seven Benetton if going by the team continuation, I guess, maybe even one of Alonso's title winning Renaults)

Merc: Plain silver arrows i guess? Maybe one of Jackie Stewart's Tyrrells if they can claim that heritage

Sauber: The Red Bull scheme would be a no-go I guess, so take the green stripes off for their original all black

Actually sod it, let Red Bull run a retro Sauber scheme

Haas: N/A, not been around long enough



#8 IrvTheSwerve

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 14:38

Mercedes: 

 

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:D



#9 FirstnameLastname

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 14:45

Mercedes:

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:D


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#10 NewMrMe

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 14:50

Red Bull - The livery before the matt one where the blue blended to sections of purple.

 

Ferrari - Plain Ferrari scarlet. Not Marlboro red. Something very similar to what they did for the race at Mugello in 2020.

 

Mercedes - I think it has to be going back to plain silver. I wouldn't mind it if they could incorporate some blue into it as a nod to the team being able to trace its history back to Tyrrell. One Tyrrell livery I like that you rarely hear about is the 1984 maroon and gold one.

 

McLaren - It has to be the Marlboro livery. Too iconic to choose anything else.

 

Aston Martin - Green. Something that reflects the current livery and the 1991 original Jordan.

 

Alpine - My favourite Enstone livery is the turqoise, blue and green from 1994, which also marks the teams first championship. I would also like a nod to the 1977-85 version of the Renault F1 team. One car would have red numbers and the other blue, maybe they could also do that.

 

Williams - The green and white Saudia airlines livery was my favourite.

 

RB - Although it isn't my favourite I think it has to be the black and yellow that Minardi ran from 1985 to 1992

 

Sauber - Black as they were in their early days.

 

Haas - In 9 years they have failed to produce a livery that is memorable in any way. They can therefore have the red and blue of the other Haas team in the mid 80s.



#11 Frood

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 14:55

Red Bull - The RB1 Star Wars livery
Mercedes - The original BAR livery with the zip
Ferrari - the one from Miami but with additional green Mission Winnow logos
McLaren - the red and black one when Honda came back
Aston Martin - the Midland livery
Alpine - the first ING Renault livery
Williams - the Winfield one. Or the Aquafresh toothpaste one from the testing before Rokit disappeared
VCARB - the bright yellow Telefonica livery from 2000
Sauber - that nice boring one from 2014 or so
Haas - the Mazepin one

Edited by Frood, 14 May 2024 - 14:57.


#12 IrvTheSwerve

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 15:11

Red Bull - Stewart GP livery
Mercedes - BAR zip livery
Ferrari - Early 2000s Vodafone livery
McLaren - Marlboro livery
Aston Martin - Jordan 98 Buzzin Hornets
Alpine - 2006 Mild Seven Renault
Williams - Rothmans
VCARB - 2000 Telefonica livery
Sauber - their black livery from the 90s
Haas - meh. Paint them in a Brawn livery because it would look cool.



#13 FirstnameLastname

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 15:36

Red Bull - The RB1 Star Wars livery
Mercedes - The original BAR livery with the zip
Ferrari - the one from Miami but with additional green Mission Winnow logos
McLaren - the red and black one when Honda came back
Aston Martin - the Midland livery
Alpine - the first ING Renault livery
Williams - the Winfield one. Or the Aquafresh toothpaste one from the testing before Rokit disappeared
VCARB - the bright yellow Telefonica livery from 2000
Sauber - that nice boring one from 2014 or so
Haas - the Mazepin one


All of them on the wang-nosed Caterham?

#14 aportinga

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 17:12

Ferrari - Barchetta Rosa 100th livery below...

 

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Mercedes - C12 (1993)
McLaren - MP4/8 (1993)
Williams - FW14 (1992)
Aston Martin - AMR24 (2024)
Alpine - RS20 (2020)
Red Bull - RB20 (2024)
 

Haas - Updated

 

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Sauber - Cannot find this one but I like it  :love: 

 

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RB Jr. - AT01 (2020)


Edited by aportinga, 14 May 2024 - 21:19.


#15 garoidb

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 20:07

Red Bull - The livery before the matt one where the blue blended to sections of purple.

 

Ferrari - Plain Ferrari scarlet. Not Marlboro red. Something very similar to what they did for the race at Mugello in 2020.

 

Mercedes - I think it has to be going back to plain silver. I wouldn't mind it if they could incorporate some blue into it as a nod to the team being able to trace its history back to Tyrrell. One Tyrrell livery I like that you rarely hear about is the 1984 maroon and gold one.

 

McLaren - It has to be the Marlboro livery. Too iconic to choose anything else.

 

Aston Martin - Green. Something that reflects the current livery and the 1991 original Jordan.

 

Alpine - My favourite Enstone livery is the turqoise, blue and green from 1994, which also marks the teams first championship. I would also like a nod to the 1977-85 version of the Renault F1 team. One car would have red numbers and the other blue, maybe they could also do that.

 

Williams - The green and white Saudia airlines livery was my favourite.

 

RB - Although it isn't my favourite I think it has to be the black and yellow that Minardi ran from 1985 to 1992

 

Sauber - Black as they were in their early days.

 

Haas - In 9 years they have failed to produce a livery that is memorable in any way. They can therefore have the red and blue of the other Haas team in the mid 80s.

 

Or else the blue and white Parmalat Brabham colours. 



#16 Myrvold

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 20:13

Mercedes: 

 

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:D

 

Man. That was actually very cool, but it lacks the zipper!


Edited by Myrvold, 14 May 2024 - 20:13.


#17 Sterzo

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 20:35

The following shall be compulsory for all teams:

 

Base team colour.

No logos or sponsors.

Simple number on nose and side.

Driver name on cockpit sides.

Colours must be as follows:

 

Ferrari - Red

Mercedes - Silver
McLaren - Papaya
Williams - Green and white (Saudia scheme)
Aston Martin - Green as current
Alpine - French blue
Red Bull - Current livery

RB Carb or Whatever - Black and yellow (as Minardi)
Haas - White with two blue stripes.

Sauber - Dark blue as used in Group C

 

Any car using unauthorised colours must pit for a respray.



#18 danmills

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 20:58

Ferrari - 1995
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Mercedes - BAR006 Monza Friday test or BAR008
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McLaren - 1997/8

Williams - FW14B
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Aston Martin - Jordan 197
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Alpine - B194 Adelaide
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Red Bull - They're all the same.

RBR - 2007 or the 1994 Minardi
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Sauber - 1996
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Haas - Rich Energy. Just because.

Edited by danmills, 14 May 2024 - 21:08.


#19 Lennat

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 21:40

Mostly limiting my options to liveries that were used by an incarnation of the team in question not TOO far removed from the current one based on by subjective standards, and picking based on different criteria as some are just good looking, while others are more nostalgic or fun.

 

Red Bull: Red Bull can style with silver concept from 2004. It's kind of the only individual one that sticks out to me.

 

Ferrari: 1995 one is great, as mentioned above.

 

Mercedes: How about a super plain silver one? I'm tempted to break my own rules though and just go for the split BAR livery just for fun (but that would never ever happen, so.. ).

 

McLaren: Marlboro without Marlboro is just bland, so no... How about the chrome/red livery? 

 

Aston: An Aston with a retro Jordan livery is wrong in a way, but 7 Up is green, so what the heck... Let's go Jordan 1991!

 

Alpine: If Alonso was still there I probably would have gone for a 2005/2006 Renault kind of livery, but now... Maybe a good ol' yellow Renault livery, like a late '70s one.

 

Haas: Rich Energy of course. ♥️

 

TR PayPal Mastercard NFL Netflix:  2008 Torro Rosso to celebrate Vettel's epic win.

 

Williams: A sort of '90s livery without a the iconic sponsors would just look boring. Get Canon back for a one-off and a 1992 one would work.

 

Sauber: Petronas Red Bull is THE Sauber livery, but again, it needs at least one of the actual sponsors in my opinion. I can't think of anything else though...



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#20 Lennat

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 21:56


Ferrari - 1995

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Mercedes - BAR006 Monza Friday test or BAR008

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McLaren - 1997/8


Williams - FW14B

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Aston Martin - Jordan 197

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Alpine - B194 Adelaide


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Red Bull - They're all the same.


RBR - 2007 or the 1994 Minardi


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Sauber - 1996

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Haas - Rich Energy. Just because.


Every single one of those are basically perfection. 😻😻😻

#21 krapmeister

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Posted 15 May 2024 - 00:56

Throwback round would have to be at Monaco too - probably still the closest track to what it was like when most of all these retro liveries were originally active

#22 PayasYouRace

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Posted 15 May 2024 - 06:29

Throwback round would have to be at Monaco too - probably still the closest track to what it was like when most of all these retro liveries were originally active

Or Monza. That’s pretty much the been the same for ever.



#23 Rediscoveryx

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Posted 15 May 2024 - 06:53

My thoughts:

Such livery should reflect their most iconic (not necessarily the same thing as their most visually attractive) livery.

Also, if possible the livery used should be from the current iteration (Mercedes running a Tyrrell livery makes no real sense to me). Although some exceptions may be necessary as we’ll get to later.

For such a race it should be mandated that no logos that weren’t on the original design should be added.

…also no logos or modern day swooshie stuff on the helmets. Or at least mandate that helmet designs for this race must be true to the era from which the car’s livery is plucked.

This would roughly bring us:

Red Bull - they don’t have any nice retro liveries at all since they have essentially run with the same livery from day one. But for the sake of it just do the original one from whatever year they became Red Bull

Ferrari - doesn’t really matter, but perhaps one of the marlboro-red Schumi-era designs? They were so identical from 1998 onwards that it doesn’t really matter which one.

McLaren - for all the talk of papaya orange and whatnot, surely their Marlboro-liveries of the 80’s and 90’s are their most iconic?

Mercedes - slightly left-field here, but why not the extremely simple Sauber-Mercedes silver arrow sportscar livery from the early 90’s?

RB - again, such a soul-less livery producer… but perhaps one of the black/yellow Minardi designs (1990?) could be used.

Haas - I don’t know… Could they skip this round of the Championship?

Aston Martin - One of the Benson & Hedges Jordans.

Alpine - Early 80’s Renault. 1983 to be more precise.

Sauber - the one from their debut season in 1993.

Williams - Early 90’s blue/white/yellow. More iconic than Rothmans.

Edited by Rediscoveryx, 15 May 2024 - 06:55.


#24 Rediscoveryx

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Posted 15 May 2024 - 06:57

Alternative idea:

Have the FIA select a season from the past and force the teams to use the corresponding livery. Teams that were not a part of that season need to use the livery of a team that has since been lost to the sport. The season must be at least 20 years old.

Just for the sake of it I used a randomizer and it came up with 1992 as the suggestion, so use that this time. Next time we do some other season (randomizer said 1987). Well, you get the idea…

#25 PayasYouRace

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Posted 15 May 2024 - 07:54

My thoughts:



Also, if possible the livery used should be from the current iteration (Mercedes running a Tyrrell livery makes no real sense to me). Although some exceptions may be necessary as we’ll get to later.



Mercedes - slightly left-field here, but why not the extremely simple Sauber-Mercedes silver arrow sportscar livery from the early 90’s?

RB - again, such a soul-less livery producer… but perhaps one of the black/yellow Minardi designs (1990?) could be used.



Aston Martin - One of the Benson & Hedges Jordans.

Alpine - Early 80’s Renault. 1983 to be more precise.



Harder than it sounds, isn’t it?

Though I definitely draw the line at your Mercedes suggestion. Using a livery from a different category, from a different constructor that currently still competes against you in F1 is taking the piss.

#26 CoolBreeze

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Posted 15 May 2024 - 08:36

Back when we actually had a grid full of colourful and distinctive cars



#27 PayasYouRace

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Posted 15 May 2024 - 08:51

Back when we actually had a grid full of colourful and distinctive cars


So three years ago?

#28 midgrid

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Posted 15 May 2024 - 09:13

Alternative idea:

Have the FIA select a season from the past and force the teams to use the corresponding livery. Teams that were not a part of that season need to use the livery of a team that has since been lost to the sport. The season must be at least 20 years old.

Just for the sake of it I used a randomizer and it came up with 1992 as the suggestion, so use that this time. Next time we do some other season (randomizer said 1987). Well, you get the idea…

 

I'd love to see the pink-and-blue Brabham livery on a modern car!

 

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#29 Beri

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Posted 15 May 2024 - 10:00

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Nothing less. Nothing more. This is it for me.

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Posted 15 May 2024 - 10:35

F2007 in China spec is the all-time great. :cool:

 

Honourable mentions: 2006 Macca, 2012 Lotus, 2009 Red Bull.



#31 Gravelngrass

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Posted 15 May 2024 - 14:50

This thread would be so much better with pictures…